Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Who do you think send drones that was shot\bumped into houses in Moscow? I think it's someone from Russian territory, probably from near Moscow.

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Some sources claim that there were about 25 drones.
Nobody was seriously hurt.
Drones was apparently carrying КЗ-6 charges, made in USSR. Thankfully it didn't detonate.
Some of them were shot down (and fell in villages near Moscow), some of them apparently hit the trees. Three hit apartment buildings in Moscow.
Here's a map:
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Pictures and more info: https://www.rbc.ru/politics/30/05/2023/647587b89a7947387d829954
 
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BikeLock said:
The amazing hubris of these people to demand total capitulation without the leverage to do so. That's a request you make of someone that you've actually defeated, not of one who currently has the upper hand.
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It is them calling these conditions "realistic" that got me.

Anyway, to comment on the recent drone strikes. It would appear that each side is trying to bait the other to go on the offensive. The strikes on Moscow suburbs are marginally easier to memory hole than the strikes on Kiev proper, but the situation remains a rigid stalemate.

Since Kiev is being pressured by the West and is under threat of losing monetary support and Moscow is bring pressured by angry Telegram channels that it can safely ignore and is under threat of folding under the delayed effects of sanctions which may take years, Moscow still comes out on top, if only by inches.
 
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Fighting Type Pokemon said:
It is them calling these conditions "realistic" that got me.

Anyway, to comment on the recent drone strikes. It would appear that each side is trying to bait the other to go on the offensive. The strikes on Moscow suburbs are marginally easier to memory hole than the strikes on Kiev proper, but the situation remains a rigid stalemate.

Since Kiev is being pressured by the West and is under threat of losing monetary support and Moscow is bring pressured by angry Telegram channels that it can safely ignore and is under threat of folding under the delayed effects of sanctions which may take years, Moscow still comes out on top, if only by inches.
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As faggy as the social media machine is, the worst part about it is that it is effective.
 
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MugolEx said:
When isn't there shelling? Although it looks like Russia might be making a minor push or just prodding defenses maybe?
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I think it's likely just extra security as Russia re-configures after the capture of Bakhmut. A lot of forces that were deployed there now need to be redeployed elsewhere and it's easier to do that when Ukrainian forces are hunkered down to reduce casualties from artillery and not actively engaging in direct fire fights.
 
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Fighting Type Pokemon said:
It is them calling these conditions "realistic" that got me.

Anyway, to comment on the recent drone strikes. It would appear that each side is trying to bait the other to go on the offensive. The strikes on Moscow suburbs are marginally easier to memory hole than the strikes on Kiev proper, but the situation remains a rigid stalemate.

Since Kiev is being pressured by the West and is under threat of losing monetary support and Moscow is bring pressured by angry Telegram channels that it can safely ignore and is under threat of folding under the delayed effects of sanctions which may take years, Moscow still comes out on top, if only by inches.
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Russia does need to capture more territory before any peace is negotiated / de facto long-term settling in occurs, that is if they want any kind of lasting peace. The defensive lines as is right now don't secure Donetsk region or line up with any good geographical or ethnic / political boundary. Ukraine could cut their losses here. So if it goes to the wire I'd say Russia would be forced to attack. Neither party seems to want to because the attacker is going to take significant losses as both now are pretty dug in.

It really depends on how long Ukraine can draw this out without any sign of actually regaining territory or Western support waning too much. Meanwhile Russia is lobbing shells over anywhere Ukraine starts to concentrate troops for an attack and I think just to keep trying to force Ukraine to shit or get off the pot (forgive my French).

I think Ukraine will probably blink as politically the messaging of victory is the main thing holding them together. Both domestically and in terms of support. The USA wants this to be Russia's Vietnam or Afghanistan. But Russia isn't giving them what they crave. In fact, Russia are turning this into NATO's Afghanistan right now. And NATO has already just had one Afghanistan with actual Afghanistan.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
Looks like the rumors were true about Russia's weekend strikes taking out Ukraine's intel HQ and it being full of NATO personnel.

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NATOiggers getting #wrekt all over the place lately. First Kosovo and now Ukraine.


Overly Serious said:
But Russia isn't giving them what they crave. In fact, Russia are turning this into NATO's Afghanistan right now. And NATO has already just had one Afghanistan with actual Afghanistan.
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They can manufacture mortar shells forever. And they can keep sending their lancet drones and other wish.com crap over Kiev to eat up every $3.4m patriot rocket in existence. Russia has nothing but time here if they decide to just not move. Ukraine can't push them back with out making another holol meat grinder and Ukraine just holding the line has created a money incinerator for the west.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
Looks like the rumors were true about Russia's weekend strikes taking out Ukraine's intel HQ and it being full of NATO personnel.

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Could also be "advisors" for a certain advanced air defense system that has been a big focus for recent strikes. I've seen photos of the supposed hit on the GRU headquarters, and it doesn't look any worse than the apartments in Moscow, i.e. scorched paint, not much else.
 
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TheGreatDodongus said:
Could also be "advisors" for a certain advanced air defense system that has been a big focus for recent strikes. I've seen photos of the supposed hit on the GRU headquarters, and it doesn't look any worse than the apartments in Moscow, i.e. scorched paint, not much else.
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Supposedly they were in a basement bomb shelter or the equivalent and the roof/walls collapsed on them when a missile or whatever hit. That's from third-hand rumor translated from multiple languages though so there's really no telling what happened. That UKR drone strike on Moscow was attempted revenge for something badder-than-usual that happened though, that much seems obvious.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
Supposedly they were in a basement bomb shelter or the equivalent and the roof/walls collapsed on them when a missile or whatever hit. That's from third-hand rumor translated from multiple languages though so there's really no telling what happened. That UKR drone strike on Moscow was attempted revenge for something badder-than-usual that happened though, that much seems obvious.
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Russia should have taken out these building/centers in February/March 2022. Eliminating command and control is one the primary goals of any offensive (or defensive) operation.
 
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Russia should have taken out these building/centers in February/March 2022. Eliminating command and control is one the primary goals of any offensive (or defensive) operation.
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...wouldn't ukrain just have ended up using a different building? maybe Russia did bomb the original coc buildings and these are the relocated locations.
 
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Russia should have taken out these building/centers in February/March 2022. Eliminating command and control is one the primary goals of any offensive (or defensive) operation.
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I think it's pretty clear back in February they assumed it was going to be a repeat of Crimea 2014.

That was a bad call...
 
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Betonhaus said:
...wouldn't ukrain just have ended up using a different building? maybe Russia did bomb the original coc buildings and these are the relocated locations.
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No they didn't. Like @make_it_so posted they believed Kiev would negotiate, not that NATO/US would go ham. It's Monday morning quarterbacking so I don't want to dwell on the subject but just look at the chaos after Zaluzhny went MIA; now imagine if all of them had been kalibreated at the beginning.

Its not so much the buildings but what/who is in them.
 
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