Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

AnOminous said:
Amazing. This thread is full of the vaxxxed and unvaxxxed and we're all still alive. It's almost like all that bullshit didn't even matter.
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Would have been nice if all the governments of the world didn't funnel shitloads upon shitloads of taxpayer money directly into the pockets of the medical industry, though.

Oh well, economy sux, lol.
 
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Pissmaster said:
Would have been nice if all the governments of the world didn't funnel shitloads upon shitloads of taxpayer money directly into the pockets of the medical industry, though.

Oh well, economy sux, lol.
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They should funnel even more, AND reform the field.
Medicine is one of those things you really, really want to be properly funded and meritocratic. 99% of us get sick and eventually land in some hospital, and when you do, you really want a capable, well paid, happy to do their job employee, not some disgruntled pajeet that injects you with weird shit cause he's mad at his employer and the lack of tits&vagene on the job.
 
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AgendaPoster said:
They should funnel even more, AND reform the field.
Medicine is one of those things you really, really want to be properly funded and meritocratic. 99% of us get sick and eventually land in some hospital, and when you do, you really want a capable, well paid, happy to do their job employee, not some disgruntled pajeet that injects you with weird shit cause his mad at his employer and the lack of tits&vagene on the job.
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Part of the reason healthcare sucks so much, at least in the US, is greedy/corrupt hospital administrators. These bureaucrats get a HUGE amount of money, most of what they use to either grow the hospital bureaucracy even more or raise their salaries. That's why they never evolved their Wuflu care methods during the scamdemic (and even now)--it was easier and cheaper to just hook people up to the ventilator and essentially strangle them alive than using the proper anti-inflamation drugs and other methods to alleviate severe ARDS. Ventilators are part of the reason so many people died, and for the hospital administration, that was a good thing, since filling out "died of covid" would get them free money from the government. It also made sure they could lay off nurses or let them do Tiktok dances all day.
 
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Save the Loli said:
Part of the reason healthcare sucks so much, at least in the US, is greedy/corrupt hospital administrators. These bureaucrats get a HUGE amount of money, most of what they use to either grow the hospital bureaucracy even more or raise their salaries. That's why they never evolved their Wuflu care methods during the scamdemic (and even now)--it was easier and cheaper to just hook people up to the ventilator and essentially strangle them alive than using the proper anti-inflamation drugs and other methods to alleviate severe ARDS. Ventilators are part of the reason so many people died, and for the hospital administration, that was a good thing, since filling out "died of covid" would get them free money from the government. It also made sure they could lay off nurses or let them do Tiktok dances all day.
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Can't speak about the US hospitals, but I can sure speak about the one I work in.
Sure, bureaucracy is a problem, and so is corruption. Huge amounts of money? Not really happening, but the administrators do get comfy.
Mass hooking people on ventilators never-ever happened, although it was a circulating myth locally. First, that requires 24/7 sedation and intubation, which requires specialized staff and care, but more importantly, it requires an IC unit with very specific standard. ICUs are tiny and nearly always quite overwhelmed by demand, which hardly comes just from people with severe pneumonias. Anti-inflammatories don't really directly help with ARDS, and alleviating that stuff is very hit&miss and the likelihood of dying is very high. Keep in mind that you are essentially dealing with a drowning in their own puss patient, whose lungs are turning to mud.
There were some mistakes in the protocol though, for example we later found out that less intrusive O2 administration methods tend to often work better for less severe but still bad cases, but that shit came from personal experience dealing with something new, and protocols changed quite fast, instead of insisting on intubation. Regardless, you would have to have a low SpO2, and that only happened in a tiny minority of patients.
As for the dancing nurses crap, should've been fired. Generally the hospital staff is quite sociopathic due to the nature of the job and getting used with death and suffering, which you have to distance yourself from or you get mad. But coping with that should remain private, and the media image must be tightly controlled to maintain the required trust.
 
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Seth Meyers said:
i think the lesson we learned today is we're all gonna die someday, so why let a vaccine stop us?
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Today? Surely by today even the most rabid vaxxmaxxer would concede the side effects accepted by The Science™ include life-shortening and life-ending ones, however rare.

AgendaPoster said:
They should funnel even more, AND reform the field.
Medicine is one of those things you really, really want to be properly funded and meritocratic. 99% of us get sick and eventually land in some hospital, and when you do, you really want a capable, well paid, happy to do their job employee, not some disgruntled pajeet that injects you with weird shit cause his mad at his employer and the lack of tits&vagene on the job.
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I think they should seek value for money, invest based on quality studies that ensure the products or techniques are fit for purpose.
They should also invest in education and infrastructure as well, to train more doctors and medical staff for aging populations, and prepare their country as best they can for the future, which means encouraging families and stable employment.
 
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Balalaika Z Bree said:
Today? Surely by today even the most rabid vaxxmaxxer would concede the side effects accepted by The Science™ include life-shortening and life-ending ones, however rare.
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Even something as accepted as seatbelts have a small but non-zero chance that instead of saving you, they kill you, such as for instance malfunctioning after a crash and trapping you in a burning car. Massively more often than not, though, it's a good idea to wear them.
 
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AnOminous said:
Even something as accepted as seatbelts have a small but non-zero chance that instead of saving you, they kill you, such as for instance malfunctioning after a crash and trapping you in a burning car. Massively more often than not, though, it's a good idea to wear them.
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With a few exceptions (like when you're driving on a frozen lake) it's a good idea to wear a seatbelt. A seatbelt cutter combined in a window hammer secured within reach of the driver is not a bad idea though.
Unlike a seatbelt you might cut in a worst case scenario, getting an injection you might have a reaction to is a lot more like driving with a potentially defective airbag, until it's used you'll have no idea if it's defective and if so how badly will it injure. I'm not saying you should disable or remove an airbag, I'm saying they need better QC, and you wouldn't want to be in the test group for a new type of airbag technology given the unknown risks. The recall controversies of defective airbags costing billions mirror pharma company controversies with dangerous drugs that killed a lot more than they saved including some of the biggest fines in history.
 
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AnOminous said:
Even something as accepted as seatbelts have a small but non-zero chance that instead of saving you, they kill you, such as for instance malfunctioning after a crash and trapping you in a burning car. Massively more often than not, though, it's a good idea to wear them.
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Yes, for a disease with a chance of killing you nearly equal to the vaccine.

 
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