Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

War Cats for June 1, 2023

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Spring offensive 2323!

That was a wet fart. But I am not optimistic on Russia manning up.

They can take it slow and keep a stockpile of meat and boom if Poland manages to get WW3 started.

The failed Kiyiyiv spearhead had really made the ruskies go slow. Guess the bear got its paw burned, so now its being slow, even when its not needed.
 
Well yeah, Korea is part of Japan. just like eastern ukraine is part of Russia.


Well Poland started the 2nd one so whats new?

But they didn't suck the girldick that time did they? Pretty sure they did the mutilated Schlomoschlong though!
 
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"Purely psychologically, we took the Crimea. As a military man, I will say that this is sometimes more important than real clashes with the enemy. This is an unconditional victory for our army, which will go down in military history textbooks,” Budanov said.

It's literally the "It was real in my mind" meme IRL, you can't make this up lmao
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"Purely psychologically, we took the Crimea."

What the fuck does this mean?
That they're huffing copium in record amounts.

I think people forget the Ukraine was planning to go on an offensive to take Crimea in the spring of 2022, and Russia launched the SMO right before they did. It's why towns like Mariupol, Soledar and Bakhmut were fortified, but not defensively, as they they were staging grounds for an offensive.

The West has wanted to divest Russia of what was their only warm water port in Crimea, Sevastopol, since 2014; instead Russia gained another, the Port of Mariupol, and will likely take a third-Odessa-by the time they are done.
 
Why was he fired again? He took a modern city in under 3 months (with most of the last month being cleaning some Ukronazis out of their cum cave), which is pretty impressive when you consider the sieges of Sarajevo and Aleppo. The Russian MoD seems comically corrupt. I'd almost laugh if their main opposition wasn't the absolute clowns in the US DoD.
Sorry for being very late on this, but Mikhail Mizintsev was Deputy Minister of Defense in command of logistics in the timeframe where Wagner head Yevgeny Prigozhin kept talking about Wagner PMC having a "lack of ammunition." Since it was Mizintsev's responsibility to handle these issues, you can make a connection that Mizintsev is withholding ammunition to give to the Wagnerites because Prigozhin won't shut up about it, and hence, the Russian MoD sacked Mizintsev.

Here is where things get really weird. For such an opponent of Wagner, Mizintsev still got hired by Wagner Group PMC to be one of their commanders in the military company. Wagner PMC units also gave Mizintsev a tour around Bakhmut after they fully captured it. Maybe it wasn't Mizintsev's fault that the MoD withdrew ammunition and rather the fault of Minister of Defense Shoigu, but they needed a scapegoat and Mizintsev was thus let go, and hence to rub it on the MoD and Shoigu's faces, Prigozhin hired Mizintsev.

Honestly though, this whole drama is just maskirovka in my eyes. Prigozhin was pretty much bullshitting that Wagner has ammo problems so Mizintsev did his job well, and Mizintsev probably wanted to lead troops again so he joined Wagner. The whole sacking is just for dramatic effect to misinform.

Russia does need to capture more territory before any peace is negotiated / de facto long-term settling in occurs, that is if they want any kind of lasting peace. The defensive lines as is right now don't secure Donetsk region or line up with any good geographical or ethnic / political boundary. Ukraine could cut their losses here. So if it goes to the wire I'd say Russia would be forced to attack. Neither party seems to want to because the attacker is going to take significant losses as both now are pretty dug in.
I think the situation right now is advantageous for Russia because there are two fronts where they are already launching safe offensives without fear of a strong counter-offensive.

The Ukrainian-held village of Bilohorivka in Luhansk Oblast is almost encircled now, and the Russian Armed Forces have advanced non-stop. Capturing the village will create a larger buffer around the Russian-held city of Lysychansk, and Russians can finally rebuild the city. However, they won't be able to do now since Bilohorivka is very close to Lysychansk and hence Russia is making gains to capture the village.

The Ukrainian suburban stronghold of Avdiivka (I erroneously named it Andiivka in the past) is also almost encircled, and the Russian Armed Forces are still engaging Ukrainian forces to capture the suburb. If they captured Avdiivka, they can relieve most of the shelling that is done from Avdiivka on the city of Donetsk, which will finally help the well-being of residents living in Donetsk of not having to fear about constant shelling.

In addition, Russian troops are continuing the assault on Marinka, Pervomaiske and Nevelske, three contested suburbs around Donetsk, which will help alleviate stress on the city.

"Purely psychologically, we took the Crimea."
  • In our hearts, we won Mariupol.
  • In our hearts, we won Bakhmut.
  • In our hearts, we won Crimea.
  • and so on...

Why is my gut telling me that the Ukrainian counter-offensive in Zaporizhzhia Oblast is all maskirovka? Not in the sense that they can't do it, but actually they won't do it in Zaporizhzhia Oblast. When people say that Ukraine wants a repeat of the Kharkiv counter-offensive, they basically will try to misinform the masses and the Russian MoD of a counter-offensive in a particular direction (Kherson), and attack where nobody expects it (Kharkiv).

When everyone is so focused on Zaporizhzhia, it makes no sense that Ukraine will attack there because everyone knows it, so Ukraine might as well misinform of a counter-offensive there while preparing another one to assault the Russian-held segments of Kharkiv Oblast, Luhansk Oblast, or the city of Donetsk. I think Ukraine may try to surprise us.
 
When everyone is so focused on Zaporizhzhia, it makes no sense that Ukraine will attack there because everyone knows it, so Ukraine might as well misinform of a counter-offensive there while preparing another one to assault the Russian-held segments of Kharkiv Oblast, Luhansk Oblast, or the city of Donetsk. I think Ukraine may try to surprise us
There's always the chance of people being used to Ukraine doing the opposite of what it says so it ends up doing what it said it'll do expecting people to be caught off guard.
 
I saw someone ask about the purpose of the attacks on Russian territory. Sorry I didn't quote ya but every single thing I've read on it in English language publications cites it as "a psychological preparation" for the upcoming offensive. I'll translate: niggas be mad they losing, so finna blow shit up n sheeeeiiit.

Interestingly many state they are fully aware that Ukraine is hitting nothing of military value and is strictly attacking civilians and civilian infrastructure. So basically, handwaving/excusing what I'm sure are blatant war crimes.

Three other related items:

1) Moldovas Romanian president has offered the territory of Moldova to Ukraine to fight Russia. Way to directly pull the country into a war it has no hopes of succeeding in or benefiting from.

2) just saw a breaking notification that Sweden is joining NATO asap, citing Biden

3) the head of the European council (I believe... Some faggy euro org in any event), Macron (France), Scholz (Germany), Aliyev (Azerbaijan) and Pashinyan (Armenia) are actively in a 5 way meeting regarding AM/AZ relations. From reports, AM and AZ will sign something today to begin the ethnic cleansing of Armenians once again. Thanks Obama! Fuck this gay half.of the earth (the west, tbc)
 

Okay, Zelensky is deliberately trying his absolute hardest to prevent there being any peace negotiations, ever. Saying that Russia needs to place a demilitarised zone inside its own borders as a requirement for peace negotiations. Moscow is about 250miles from the border and this guy wants them to leave the first 80miles in from their border undefended? I had to check if this was actually real. Seems it is!

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It gets better - another condition for peace is that Russia place control of their nuclear arsenal under the control of a group of other nations. Might as well put their gun to their head and pull the trigger at that point because America would be on them like a rabid dog at that point.
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And it gets better! Russia must formally accept that their assets and the assets of Russian citizens that were seized (without due process) by other countries is okay and not seek to get them back.

And it gets better! Vladimir Putin, must be handed over for trial for war crimes. (Presumably based on that ICC warrant that was based on the hokey report paid for by the US govt.)

If all that is done, then Ukraine will deign to negotiate peace.

This is OBVIOUS lunacy. So I have to question who the Hell is it written for? No non-Western govt. officials would do anything but laugh themselves silly at this. Western govt. officials would do so too just privately. Except perhaps they are so isolated that they think this nonsense will be effective on ordinary people. But I imagine the intersection of people who might believe this is rational and people who are functioning and influential people in society is razor thin. It's utterly bonkers. Completely detached from all understanding of the situation. And this guy is one of Zelenksy's presidential advisers.

It is policies and statements like this that make me believe in the hypothesis that the goals are depopulation of the native Ukranians and perpetual war for Russia - because nobody would say such things who didn't want more war. It's just impossible.
 
Kek at that point the ruskies may as well fight for every last Siberian village to the bitter end.

But America did this to Germoney once. No doubt they want a repeat.
Yes. It's plain to me that Russia cannot end this war. The only outcome NATO / the US / Western Ukranians would accept would be their total destruction as a culture and a nation. That's no exaggeration - it's based on statements and behaviour of NATO and the USA. I think the only way this ends is ordinary citizens rejecting their current leadership. Whether that be Ukrainians themselves or Americans and Europeans saying enough is enough.

What it will take to get that to happen, at this point I struggle to imagine. I mean, Europe is apparently fine with the US destroying their energy sources and just pretend it never happened because confronting it would mean calling out their masters. But nonetheless, likely, unlikely, difficult or impossible, I think it really is the only way this ends. For Russia and Russians and Eastern Ukranians, this is existential.
 
Hey, look at that. American equipment from Ukraine has ended up in Mexico, in the hands of the cartels. Wonder if they have any Stingers... it may be shit against Russian military equipment, but can down a civilian air liner coming in for a landing like nothing.

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Could be Ukranian gibs, but the US Army has a pretty shitty track record of weapon inventory accountability.

Just last year some magnet fishermen found 86 rockets, a tank tracer round, and belts of .50BMG that had been shoved into a duffle bag and thrown into a river on a US Army base. They reported it and the Government rewarded them by fining them for magnet fishing without a permit lol.
 
Could be Ukranian gibs, but the US Army has a pretty shitty track record of weapon inventory accountability.

Just last year some magnet fishermen found 86 rockets, a tank tracer round, and belts of .50BMG that had been shoved into a duffle bag and thrown into a river on a US Army base. They reported it and the Government rewarded them by fining them for magnet fishing without a permit lol.
A fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff. Not a bad haul.

I would've kept the gear, govt has enough of it anyway.
 
Hey, look at that. American equipment from Ukraine has ended up in Mexico, in the hands of the cartels. Wonder if they have any Stingers... it may be shit against Russian military equipment, but can down a civilian air liner coming in for a landing like nothing.

Supposedly, the yellow stripe indicates an inert launcher tube used purely for training purposes. I don't know for certain, but that's been claimed repeatedly in other places that this was posted.

Apparently Kursk is now being targeted. Video showing AA at work:

 
To add to what @Michael Wade posted they also have to answer to their own people, who are calling for Shoigu's and Gerasimov's heads on pikes (and being Slavs they actually mean it, its not hyperbole). Putin is well aware they'll be demanding his head next if there's no overwhelming response.

Don't forget there are plenty of Ukrainians all over the country that consider themselves Russian, or at the very least part of the Русский мир, the Russian World. They are likely begging any relatives/friends in Russia to please do something to rid them of these delusional and homicidal Banderites.

So yeah, the pressure's on, and there are plenty in Russia who have the bit between their teeth. Putin's circle can't ignore them any longer.
Got it, thanks to you both @Michael Wade makes more sense with all that in mind. I feel like the drone rushes I'm seeing all over the palce reeks of desperation on the Ukrainian side since blackedmutt had finally fallen. Especially now after seeing Zelensky basically admit its over for ukraine's NATO's aspirations, romania won't really back moldova since moldova is neutral and hungary is balking at talks on direct conflicts.
 
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