Opinion Modern "Freedom" Means Being a Slave to Impulses

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Which of the following two people is more free:
  1. A drug addict.
  2. A average man who is only not a drug addict because he lives in a country where drugs are regulated or shamed in a way to make them hard to obtain.

Most modern people will have a kind of cognitive dissonance, a kind of glitch in their matrix here. In the modern view of freedom, freedom means the ability to do what you want without the government or society telling you what to do, so (1), the drug addict, should be more "free."


But at the same time, this feels wrong. (2) probably lives a better life. He is more suited to make more and better decisions. Someone addicted to drugs is highly constrained in the kind of life they have to live to fulfill their addiction.


Even extreme libertarians will probably say (2) is in a better place, but might chalk things up to (1) needing to have more discipline and they'll make up some just-so story as for why unambiguously bad drugs, or pornography, or dangerous things should be allowed anyway.


Classical freedom​

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In reality, since the Enlightenment, we have had a hobbled understanding of what "freedom" is. Enlightenment "freedom" is only the freedom to perfectly follow the whims of impulses and vices indiscriminately.


The Christian tradition​


Christians stated the classical view of freedom very clearly. Paul writes that all men are either "slaves to Christ" or "slaves to sin." The modern man wants to retort that he doesn't want to be a slave to anything, but wants to be his own master, but there is really no such thing.


One can be guided by Christ, or more generally, by consistent moral principles, restraint and forethought. Or one can abandon the pretense of morality and by definition follow his impulses to fornication, substance-abuse, and general reckless living.


These masters aren't equivalent either. Being a slave to one is nothing like being a slave to another. Slaves to sin are wrapped up into incoherent and uncontrollable behavior. Following one's sexual whims might be inconsistent and thoughtless behavior that one likes one second and is disgusted by the next. It might mean someone exploding in rage and emotion.


This "free" man, a slave to sin, is only bound by the practical consideration that he might get caught or shamed by "prudes" and that might dampen his ability to follow his inpulses more.




Impulses are not the man​

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If we look at the modern world as if it has desires and goals for us, it certainly seems like it is trying to induce as many people as possible into being slave to sin. People no long have identity in who they actually are, but in accidental preferences formed over years of impulse-seeking: their sexual fetishes, drugs of choice, their favorite TV show to consoom or their favorite music they constantly pump in their head to dampen the possibility that an original reflective thought might occur to them.


More than that, these people often can't even fathom of life without their master sins, and retort in rage when someone dares to direct them otherwise or "judge" them. They don't just have a kind of Stockholm Syndrome with sin, but they can't comprehend the fact the people are something deeper than their pleasure habits.


Control of Impulses Leads to Freedom​


However if one can constrain his impulses, he will be free to truly sit down and deliberate and make free decisions on what is best to do.


This is where true freedom begins. The concept is totally alien to the coomer, the slave to sin, because he can't even afford the mental space to think further than his constant service to sin.


To him, it is merely "me having fun," versus "some haters who are against fun."


Slaves to Vices are Slaves in General​

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If you indentify with your impulses, it's very easy to get you motivated to defend them with the same impulsivity if you are told that they are "under attack." While impulsive people might be hard to be around as individuals, they are easy to control as groups and can be herded around like unthinking sheep.


People who are reactive in politics are always the losers, and what is an impulsive life but one that is entirely reactive and therefore controllable?


The Kingly State​


With the classical understanding of freedom, the goal of social conventions, traditional morality and the good government is to increase true liberty by minimizing one's temptation to vice. People are born with some tendency to vice (original sin to Chrisitians) that can be easily made worse. The goal of normal society is to lead people away from lasciviousness and impulsive behavior. (That is clearly not the goal of the modern West, however.)


A drug addict is not free. A teenager who gets home from school everyday, closes his door and watches internet pornography is not free. A person who compulsively checks their social media feed when they wake up or are minorly bored is not free. A woman who sleeps around throughout her twenties and is left with nothing is not free. A boy who stays up late because he has to "grind" on a video game is not free.


No one can say that these people truly want what they do: no one fully consents to any impulsive behavior. This is actually why in the Catholic tradition, sins of incontinence are not as grave as deliberate sins. It's not a fair game.


Either way, the goal of the church, or a moral society and moral government generally, is to increase freedom by being a countervailing power to inborn vices.


The point of moral instruction is not to restrain man, but to make him more free by eliminating the true causes of his enslavement: his vices, his bad habits, his sexual paraphilias, his gluttony and greed.
 
The point of moral instruction is not to restrain man, but to make him more free by eliminating the true causes of his enslavement: his vices, his bad habits, his sexual paraphilias, his gluttony and greed.
This is the whole lesson of the Bible. But good luck convince the modern person that they are slaves to sin.
 
Wasn't the exploration of what "freedom" is beyond classical faggotry the thing that got Nietzsche into his ubermesch phase.

Because freedom as a concept shouldn't discriminate from vices and virtues, after all or some shit.

Or I'm confusing the concept with Exalted's ebon dragon shit. Same shit tbh.
 
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Or the person who doesn't live in a country where drugs are highly regulated because he can make his own damn responsible decisions, control his impulses, and not get high off highly toxic shit without needing big daddy government to tell him not to?
Looking at the current state of the US, it would appear that people can't make responsible decisions for shit, are unable to control their impulses, and absolutely need big daddy government to tell them not to overdose on fentanyl.
 
I think he’s right, but I also think that people who can genuinely control their impulses and morality without external forces constantly prodding them are rarer than I hoped.
You can see it with religion. The decline of Christianity in the west has led to a moral vacuum. People have filled it with hedonism and addiction and a different belief system of social justice, which is more cult like than a religion. I think that even of i didn’t believe in God I still wouldn’t be going around acting immorally because it’s wrong. And yes people like satre arse around asking but what is morality but most moral people broadly know what it means - do t cause other people loss. Loss of money, property, or the people they love, loss of their bodily integrity, their freedom or their happiness, their job etc. it all comes down to taking or destroying what’s not yours (and of course that’s power, the ability to destroy a thing and people do like power.)
But while I know I’m capable of doing right things and having an internal morality covid and current year has shown me that people maybe aren’t.
Clearly a large number of people will snort or fuck anything, or steal anything unless they’re told harshly not to. Isn’t there an experiment where they find that a small number will always be hood no matter what and a small number will always be bad but the majority will do what they’re told or what they can get away with?
That’s what laws and taboos aim to curb and we are destroying all the taboos and starting to work on getting rid of the laws as well.
I hate this idea that our rulers clearly have that people are cattle, and I hate even more than society is acting like cattle
 
Looking at the current state of the US, it would appear that people can't make responsible decisions for shit, are unable to control their impulses, and absolutely need big daddy government to tell them not to overdose on fentanyl.
See I just call that Darwinism.

If you are dumb enough to get high off fentanyl, you fucking deserve to OD of fentanyl. Let the dumbasses remove themselves from the gene pool.
 
Which of the following two people is more free:
  1. A drug addict.
  2. A average man who is only not a drug addict because he lives in a country where drugs are regulated or shamed in a way to make them hard to obtain.
Neither. The second is really no better off than the first because they are equally incapable of controlling themselves and have the same weaknesses that will express themselves in some other way even in the absence of drugs or alcohol.

None of these things were illegal or regulated in the US barely more than a century ago and yet this was never a significant issue. This Progressive Era idea that government can and should protect people from themselves through use of coercion destroyed respect for the law and undoubtedly played a not-insignificant role in why the use of drugs increased in the years following the end of Prohibition.

In times past, it was considered a moral failing and personal issue and nothing more, certainly not a matter for state intervention. It was up to you to find help to overcome it and society wasn't going to bail you out if you failed.
 
See I just call that Darwinism.

If you are dumb enough to get high off fentanyl, you fucking deserve to OD of fentanyl. Let the dumbasses remove themselves from the gene pool.
Ok, but what about things that destroy society without killing the user after an OD? Pornography, deviant sexual lifestyles, junk food, etc.
 
There is a vast gap between recognizing moral, authoritative leadership and implementing it. Obviously it works better without NGOs, hyper(((financialization))), and nuclear superpowers constantly hijacking loci of consensus. Thus, chaos and anarchy must be embraced for true civilizational change to even be a possibility.
 
Ok, but what about things that destroy society without killing the user after an OD? Pornography, deviant sexual lifestyles, junk food, etc.
1) Fuck society.
All the socialists and jokers who wanna unironically "live in a society" should shove a cactus up their ass and suck-start a shotgun.

2) Again, Darwinism.
Let the porn-addict coomers jerk themselves off into degenerate extinction.
 
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