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The world merge couldn't have been too long after future connected really, could it?
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So wait… did Noah and Mio have 2 kids then? Vandam kinda looks like him and theNia-looking catgirl is blatently not the kid from cutscene where his dies the first time.
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I'm pretty sure it was heavily implied that the world merge happened around the time of both game's endings, as that is when Klaus used his last moments to attempt to fix the world before he died. When Rex and Shulk both finished off their final bosses Shulk wished to use the Monado and the last of the conduit's power to stabilize the world, the world merged back together as a means to correct Klaus' mistake. It was meant to be a redemption of Klaus fucking up in the first place. This obviously didn't fully work as intended, but that was the idea.
Also, they made it extremely obvious through context clues in The City and the hall of the founders, that two of the founders were Shulk and Rex.
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Alright boys, buckle up, I don't know if this belongs in this thread, the Xenoblade X thread, or the Xeno series general thread. I'll put it here and I guess bump the XCX thread. Ahead are spoilers for the new DLC and possibly XCX and Xenosaga
The following are dialogue snips from a cutscene at the end of the DLC, they are background audio to the brother sister drama. I snipped just the caption. Missing the start because it came out of nowhere
As a refresher for Xenoblade X, the Earthlife Colonization Project, also known as Project Exodus, created the White Whale ark ship, which escaped earth after an interstellar war used it as a battleground, Earth was then 'destroyed', and the White Whale crashed on planet Mira after floating in space for a few years. The coalition government set up Project Exodus after Elma arrived in the 2020s and warned them of the interstellar threat, they created ark ships based on technology from Elma's Skell.
ECP logo from X
This isn't even the end of it yet.
You see that logo on the radio? It's a little faint because of the Switch being 720p, it might look familiar to people who have played Saga
That's the logo of Vector Industries, the company that built Kos-Mos, built the AWGS mechs, and even possessed the Zohar, they funded the expedition to uncover it in the first place.
There's more exposition from the radio, I'm not sure if its referencing the war that set up the Klaus experiment, or if its in reference to the Mimeosome/Blue Blood system in X
It ended here sadly.
The ending of this DLC has made the Xenoblade trilogy self contained, and set up the groundwork to tell Perfect Works properly. I openly didn't like Xenoblade 2 or 3 very much, I wanted desperately for them to go back to what they started with X, and it seems like they are going to. This one cutscene has made me forgive them for the weebshit that is 2.
As a refresher for Xenoblade X, the Earthlife Colonization Project, also known as Project Exodus, created the White Whale ark ship, which escaped earth after an interstellar war used it as a battleground, Earth was then 'destroyed', and the White Whale crashed on planet Mira after floating in space for a few years. The coalition government set up Project Exodus after Elma arrived in the 2020s and warned them of the interstellar threat, they created ark ships based on technology from Elma's Skell.
ECP logo from X
This isn't even the end of it yet.
You see that logo on the radio? It's a little faint because of the Switch being 720p, it might look familiar to people who have played Saga
That's the logo of Vector Industries, the company that built Kos-Mos, built the AWGS mechs, and even possessed the Zohar, they funded the expedition to uncover it in the first place.
There's more exposition from the radio, I'm not sure if its referencing the war that set up the Klaus experiment, or if its in reference to the Mimeosome/Blue Blood system in X
It ended here sadly.
The ending of this DLC has made the Xenoblade trilogy self contained, and set up the groundwork to tell Perfect Works properly. I openly didn't like Xenoblade 2 or 3 very much, I wanted desperately for them to go back to what they started with X, and it seems like they are going to. This one cutscene has made me forgive them for the weebshit that is 2.
I didn't think to record a video clip, I might go back later and capture the cutscenes, but the ending cutscene of the DLC shows Jupiter, then space, it distorts in the shape of Mobius, and the two earths appear, the screen flashes and its one earth alone,
It then cuts to this, and a bright blue light appears on the top right and it flies towards the planet, then it ends. You can see the light in this picture. This is going to get tinfoil hat conspiracy, but the fact they set up that Vector Industries exists in this world, AND its the same world as Xenoblade X, this makes me think what we are seeing is the ending of Xenosaga 3. Kos-Mos is left adrift in space, perhaps floating towards Lost Jerusalem, which is now found again, after the ending of Xenoblade 3. The light IS blue after all.
In fact, they were literally telling us that X is the same world as Saga ever since X came out
The Samaarians arrived from another plane at the dawn of the cosmos, interesting, that seems familiar.
Abel's Ark, which returns to the dawn of the cosmos at the end of each cycle.
I'll leave you with that, I couldn't be happier right now, it seems like they found a way to tell Perfect Works after all, AND still make money off the Xenoblade name while doing it. I think my favorite part of all this is that all of these connections are literal background noise in the Xenoblade story. Anyone who hasn't played the prior games (pretty much every Xenoblade fan ever since 2 came out) is going to have this just go over their heads. I EAGERLY await the X port, and the highly likely Xenosaga remasters. This DLC turned me from a bitter pessimist who was resigned to never having a proper Xeno game again, to an optimist ready for the future.
It then cuts to this, and a bright blue light appears on the top right and it flies towards the planet, then it ends. You can see the light in this picture. This is going to get tinfoil hat conspiracy, but the fact they set up that Vector Industries exists in this world, AND its the same world as Xenoblade X, this makes me think what we are seeing is the ending of Xenosaga 3. Kos-Mos is left adrift in space, perhaps floating towards Lost Jerusalem, which is now found again, after the ending of Xenoblade 3. The light IS blue after all.
In fact, they were literally telling us that X is the same world as Saga ever since X came out
The Samaarians arrived from another plane at the dawn of the cosmos, interesting, that seems familiar.
Abel's Ark, which returns to the dawn of the cosmos at the end of each cycle.
I'll leave you with that, I couldn't be happier right now, it seems like they found a way to tell Perfect Works after all, AND still make money off the Xenoblade name while doing it. I think my favorite part of all this is that all of these connections are literal background noise in the Xenoblade story. Anyone who hasn't played the prior games (pretty much every Xenoblade fan ever since 2 came out) is going to have this just go over their heads. I EAGERLY await the X port, and the highly likely Xenosaga remasters. This DLC turned me from a bitter pessimist who was resigned to never having a proper Xeno game again, to an optimist ready for the future.
In the caption snips, Dmitri Yuriev of the Minos Authority. Dmitri Yuriev a major character in Xenosaga (Don't know how I missed this, it has been a while though)
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The Minos Authority is the organization in control of the Minos station, one of the three beanstalks, from the lore dump included with the Aegis figure from Xenoblade 2, it also included stuff about the discovery of the 'Conduit' in Africa, and the coalition government, but it was translated differently than how it was in X, and now the DLC, so I didn't connect the pieces at the time.
The Conduit also being discovered in Africa matches Xenosaga as well. From the looks of things they are either incorporating Blade into the Xenosaga timeline, or they are going to re-tell Xenosaga in the Blade universe. I thought they had legal issues doing anything with Saga since Namco owns it, and they had to include a bunch of disclaimers and stuff for Kosmos and Telos in XC2. If they really are making Saga canon, then my theory about the blue light at the end being Kosmos from the end of Episode 3 is probably true. Now I wonder if when they get to Episode 5 if they are going to straight up remake Gears, or strike some deal with Square.
Regarding Xenoblade X being in the Xenosaga universe, they were hinting at in the very least connections ever since it came out. In the Secret of Mira book, the Neilnail enemies have a note that says the long protrusion on their backs are Logic Drives, the engines used in Saga.
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Basically, Vector Industries exists, Dmitri Yuriev exists, Logic Drives exist, the Zohar exists, Abel's Ark shows up in X. All these signs point towards them doing Perfect Works from the start, this is stuff that would be before Episode 1, before Saga even.
Dmitri Yuriev
Dr. Dmitri Yuriev (ディミトリ・ユーリエフ, Dimitori yūriefu) is one of the antagonists in the Xenosaga series, although his presence is more limited until Xenosaga Episode III: Also sprach Zarathustra in which he turns hostile to Shion Uzuki and her group. He is the head of the Yuriev Institute located on...
The Minos Authority is the organization in control of the Minos station, one of the three beanstalks, from the lore dump included with the Aegis figure from Xenoblade 2, it also included stuff about the discovery of the 'Conduit' in Africa, and the coalition government, but it was translated differently than how it was in X, and now the DLC, so I didn't connect the pieces at the time.
The Conduit also being discovered in Africa matches Xenosaga as well. From the looks of things they are either incorporating Blade into the Xenosaga timeline, or they are going to re-tell Xenosaga in the Blade universe. I thought they had legal issues doing anything with Saga since Namco owns it, and they had to include a bunch of disclaimers and stuff for Kosmos and Telos in XC2. If they really are making Saga canon, then my theory about the blue light at the end being Kosmos from the end of Episode 3 is probably true. Now I wonder if when they get to Episode 5 if they are going to straight up remake Gears, or strike some deal with Square.
Regarding Xenoblade X being in the Xenosaga universe, they were hinting at in the very least connections ever since it came out. In the Secret of Mira book, the Neilnail enemies have a note that says the long protrusion on their backs are Logic Drives, the engines used in Saga.
Logic Drive System
The Logic Drive System is a new type of propulsion system, which replaced traditional reactionary propulsion systems. It works by reconfiguring the spatial phase around its direction of travel. Substantial amounts of energy are needed to power this system, but since the energy source is...
Basically, Vector Industries exists, Dmitri Yuriev exists, Logic Drives exist, the Zohar exists, Abel's Ark shows up in X. All these signs point towards them doing Perfect Works from the start, this is stuff that would be before Episode 1, before Saga even.
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I hope if we actually do continue or retool Xenoblade X's plot we get more shit like the last 15% of X's story which is the only parts I remember and not the middle 60% or so which is just a full of just random crap that I barely remember because it barely matters to anything besides the big bad is bad and scary or something.
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X was chock full of the best world building in the series, but the main story suffered for it. Probably all a result of Nintendo wanting the game to have multiplayer, so they scrapped the original story plan to accommodate a custom player character. The stuff I outlined in my previous post doesn't seem to line up 100% with what we got in X, so my guess would be they are probably re-doing the game with the original storyline about Neo-Tokyo and the daughter of the head of Sakuraba Industries. There is a LOT of unused art for X, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Perfect Works level of unused writing. I figured they had just given up on X and were re-using its concepts for XC2 and 3 (the Blade system and the Fog Beasts, even the Lifehold as shown in the DLC)
I don't think we are going to get a port, it will most likely be either a brand new game that re-does X, or they will make story changes to X to properly fit it in with what they established in 2. I think the funny part about all this is that I remember back in 2015 theorizing that Mira was the world from the end of XC1, and that the explosion at the start that destroys Earth starts from in orbit, I remember saying that it was the Klaus experiment. Now it seems like all that was right all along, and Mira might even be the Endless Now.
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Not really, they just split him into a rendition of the Xenogears Kadomony system, Persona, Anima, Animus. The Trinity Processor pretty much is just the Deus system now that I think about it.
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I enjoyed it more than the base game, combat is faster. Exploration is more condensed down and its all 1 giant map instead of spread across load zones. They brought back the Collectopaedia and enemy index, which last appeared in X. Story was decent but I don't really like their non-sci-fi Xenoblade stuff, and it was full of a lot of pointless fan service.
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Very good.
It's probably worth it if you enjoyed the base game and wanna basically have a shorter and more condensed version of that again. Story ties some plot points in and has left a lot of people speculating on the future of the series.
If you're a fan of the numbered series before then you'll probably enjoy the callbacks and whatnot. The only annoying thing being that they do that thing where they avoid directly naming characters from previous games which can feel a bit awkward.
Worth the buy tho imo. Especially since it's like £25?
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Finally played and finished it. The DLC is way better than the third game by virtue of having actually interesting main characters, less cringy dialogue and a slightly more coherent plot.
Comparing the two: 3 had nothing to do with 2/3 of the main cast, here every pair has its plot relevance and moments. The plot of the villain basically trying to return earth to the state before the split is kind of too similar for the heroes of 3 returning the worlds as they were, and if you want to be technical about it, both cases weren't ideal worlds and had their catastrophe originate from external threats. Guess the implication is that i n the dlc the souls of the old world would be obliterated while the third game had the people of the city incarnate in the new worlds(?).
The combat system is still fucking broken, and the DLC basically gave up and just made it a full on exploration game rather than try fixing anything. The game does so many things wrong, and the DLC itself had shit like the tanks not fucking tanking. At least the exploration is way more better with everything you do going towards a goal and more interesting locales.
I'm really dreading "shared universe" MCU shit. It already ruined a couple of IPs I liked and it's just gay and forces the authors to destroy the previous plot to fit a convoluted state that only makes low iq people feel smart.
Also mother of god the tvtropes for the game is even more pozzed than usual, don't know if it's because it's a popular series or the trannies still seething from the previous game being as super straight as possible. TTD can't come soon enough.
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They are trying to hard to re-invent what they had with the first game and perfected with X. I hope they go back to what they had before. Overdrive may have been OP and invalidated other party members, but you actually had to build your way to that. Xenoblade 3's combat had me actively avoiding parts of it because of how annoying it was to do, or how much time it took up from filler animations. This was never an issue with XC1 (unless its chain attacks, but those were substantially faster) and X just cut down everything and ran at super speed. When 2 added difficulty options I turned off all the button mashing.
It's not shared universe, the only thing its probably actually connected to is X. The Xenosaga stuff is impossible to fit into the timeline and probably only exists as the same thing in name only. Like how Abel is in Xenosaga. But every Xenoblade fan now has never played Xenosaga so they are just going around parroting what some random jewtuber said.
I purposely avoid the entire community because of how much of a shithole it became after 2 launched. I saw this in the comments of a Xenosaga 3 song and died inside
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I think the dlc had faster combat, but the chain attack and duo attacks are still so slow you don't want to use them unless you want the bonus exp. Hopefully X will get a remake and a sequel afterwards since Xenoblade series is pretty much concluded.
I don't really get the connection when X had E arthexplode while xenoblade had the entire universe change. Alternate universe is gay, but it's better than shared one.
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Earth exploding is actually somewhat ambiguous. From the perspective of the White Whale Earth exploded, but in the cutscene the shockwave originates from orbit. What is certain is that Earth vanished, which lines up with the plot in Xenosaga regarding Earth vanishing, when in actuality it shrunk to Planck scale. Xenoblade 2 and 3 show that the world of 1 and 3 are in separate pocket realities, and the entirety of 3 takes place inside the endless now, which is heavily alluded to being some sort of simulation being run by Origin. The X connection in the radio cutscene talks about sending out ships as part of the 'Earthlife Colonization Project', which they also say is 'Project Exodus', which are exact terms used in Xenoblade X. Elma arrived to Earth in the 2020s and brought with her the original Ares (which looks a hell of a lot like Origin and the Oroboros form from the end of the DLC), which was used to jumpstart Humanity's technology. As is explored in X, the public didn't know about the coming intergalactic war, or the darker parts of Project Exodus, like the Mimeosome system. Without much if any re-writing, you could easily have the Ark ships be part of a colonization plan before the war hit Earth.
Xenoblade 1/2/3 never actually say that the entire universe was affected by the experiment. Just Earth seemed affected. The ending cutscene of the 3 DLC also shows Jupiter, and the Moon is visible in the sky. I can see X being connected, with very little changes if any, and still be a standalone title, as the events of the trilogy are contained to Earth/The pocket universe, and take place possibly hundreds of thousands of years later (based on the evolution cutscene from 2 and the Giant's ruins in 1). The Xenosaga stuff is probably leftover from the scrapped X script (which is most likely what they are working on next), X already uses a bunch of stuff from Saga but its never outright said in game for the most part, relegated to the art book notes, or just visual references.
Now that 3 is done I'm actually realizing a lot of it lines up with stuff that happens in X. I think Mira is probably some form of the Endless Now, and it probably replaces the collective unconscious (UMN) from Xenosaga, instead being a more physical plane of existence instead of an 'imaginary number domain'. The Ares skell piloted during the intro of X is probably related to the Oroboros system, an NPC talks about how it was like Elma and the mysterious pilot fused their souls. Elma's concept art had a Core Crystal.
Feel free to ask me about any Xeno-lore for the entire franchise.
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I actually played the entire series starting from Xenosaga on PS2 (had to get it hacked because the game was PAL only). Damn Xenosage 3 was kino, I wish any series will go back on the insanity.
I think the issue in 3 is that, unlike 1 and 2, the whole backstory is massively important in it rather than something that nice to have but doesn't affect the main plot that much.
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They stopped really doing exposition dumps in the Blade games, with 3 they just left it all still there, but never explain any of it so you have to infer everything yourself. That sort of thing works for Dark Souls, but I hope they go back to explaining a bit more in later games. I also think the Blade trilogy were missing out on a lot of the 'Xeno' part of the series, which is understandable since XC1 was never even supposed to be a Xeno game, but I can only hope they go back to X since despite lacking a good main plot, that 'xeno-ness' was there. It also had a pretty big exposition dump at the end.
XC3 had a lot more philosophical cutscenes than the previous two, but the part with Origin could have been more like the Deus build up. I'm sure that Z's final form was inspired by this scene
I fully expect the next game to be the original script for X, based on Neo-Tokyo and the daughter of the Sakuraba CEO. I don't think they will just port the game. Now that X is pretty much confirmed to be the same universe as the trilogy I'm going back and putting pieces together.
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Livestream VOD timestamped so I can't embed it, 20 minutes in
Xenoblade 3 won an award for excellence at the Tokyo Game Show, Takahashi came on stage to accept it and reiterated that the story is not over, but the story told starting with Xenoblade 1 is finished. He also said he is excited to tell more with their future technology, I think alluding to the Switch 2.
Koh Kojima said in a Xenoblade 2 interview that he wanted to take good care of X, but not to just follow numbered games forever because it would get stale. X was the last game he did game design on and stepped back to just a director and producer role on 2 and 3, the schizo in me makes me think that he's been working on an X followup this whole time meant to cover everything so as to not get stale from numbered sequels, and that now that the Xenoblade trilogy is finished with the DLC straight up connecting the universe of X, I think that we should expect an X followup on the next Switch, perhaps even in the launch year like with Xenoblade 2.
Xenoblade 3 won an award for excellence at the Tokyo Game Show, Takahashi came on stage to accept it and reiterated that the story is not over, but the story told starting with Xenoblade 1 is finished. He also said he is excited to tell more with their future technology, I think alluding to the Switch 2.
Koh Kojima said in a Xenoblade 2 interview that he wanted to take good care of X, but not to just follow numbered games forever because it would get stale. X was the last game he did game design on and stepped back to just a director and producer role on 2 and 3, the schizo in me makes me think that he's been working on an X followup this whole time meant to cover everything so as to not get stale from numbered sequels, and that now that the Xenoblade trilogy is finished with the DLC straight up connecting the universe of X, I think that we should expect an X followup on the next Switch, perhaps even in the launch year like with Xenoblade 2.
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I tried to get into X but I just can't. And its all the Wii U's fault. Mine has what I believe is a dying hard-drive and makes all sorts of obnoxious noise when playing games (particularly when loading). Its so bad that I have to leave the room and play in gamepad mode to escape the noise. But the game is clearly not meant for that. Text is too small to read and the map is too important to be hidden. And of course off-tv play had occasional laggy moments too.
And the Wii U controller layout was AWFUL. The right stick is terribly placed to the extent that I rarely adjusted the camera, touching the screen for gameplay is obnoxious and I am not going to finish the game because of it. Also, quick resume was dearly missed.
Ahh well, was really looking forward to it, too.
And the Wii U controller layout was AWFUL. The right stick is terribly placed to the extent that I rarely adjusted the camera, touching the screen for gameplay is obnoxious and I am not going to finish the game because of it. Also, quick resume was dearly missed.
Ahh well, was really looking forward to it, too.