The Y Chromosome Is Vanishing. A New Sex Gene Could Be The Future of Men


2 June 2023
By JENNY GRAVES

The sex of human and other mammal babies is decided by a male-determining gene on the Y chromosome. But the human Y chromosome is degenerating and may disappear in a few million years, leading to our extinction unless we evolve a new sex gene.

The good news is two branches of rodents have already lost their Y chromosome and have lived to tell the tale.

A recent paper in Proceedings of the National Academy of Science shows how the spiny rat has evolved a new male-determining gene.

How the Y chromosome determines human sex​

In humans, as in other mammals, females have two X chromosomes and males have a single X and a puny little chromosome called Y. The names have nothing to do with their shape; the X stood for 'unknown'.

The X contains about 900 genes that do all sorts of jobs unrelated to sex. But the Y contains few genes (about 55) and a lot of non-coding DNA – simple repetitive DNA that doesn't seem to do anything.

But the Y chromosome packs a punch because it contains an all-important gene that kick-starts male development in the embryo.


At about 12 weeks after conception, this master gene switches on others that regulate the development of a testis. The embryonic testis makes male hormones (testosterone and its derivatives), which ensures the baby develops as a boy.

This master sex gene was identified as SRY (sex region on the Y) in 1990. It works by triggering a genetic pathway starting with a gene called SOX9 which is key for male determination in all vertebrates, although it does not lie on sex chromosomes.

The disappearing Y​

Most mammals have an X and Y chromosome similar to ours; an X with lots of genes, and a Y with SRY plus a few others. This system comes with problems because of the unequal dosage of X genes in males and females.

How did such a weird system evolve? The surprising finding is that Australia's platypus has completely different sex chromosomes, more like those of birds.


In platypus, the XY pair is just an ordinary chromosome, with two equal members. This suggests the mammal X and Y were an ordinary pair of chromosomes not that long ago.

In turn, this must mean the Y chromosome has lost 900–55 active genes over the 166 million years that humans and platypus have been evolving separately. That's a loss of about five genes per million years. At this rate, the last 55 genes will be gone in 11 million years.

Our claim of the imminent demise of the human Y created a furore, and to this day there are claims and counterclaims about the expected lifetime of our Y chromosome – estimates between infinity and a few thousand years.

Rodents with no Y chromosome​

The good news is we know of two rodent lineages that have already lost their Y chromosome – and are still surviving.


The mole voles of eastern Europe and the spiny rats of Japan each boast some species in which the Y chromosome, and SRY, have completely disappeared. The X chromosome remains, in a single or double dose in both sexes.

Although it's not yet clear how the mole voles determine sex without the SRY gene, a team led by Hokkaido University biologist Asato Kuroiwa has had more luck with the spiny rat – a group of three species on different Japanese islands, all endangered.

Kuroiwa's team discovered most of the genes on the Y of spiny rats had been relocated to other chromosomes. But she found no sign of SRY, nor the gene that substitutes for it.

In 2022 they published a successful identification in PNAS. The team found sequences that were in the genomes of males but not females, then refined these and tested for the sequence on every individual rat.


What they discovered was a tiny difference near the key sex gene SOX9, on chromosome 3 of the spiny rat. A small duplication (only 17,000 base pairs out of more than 3 billion) was present in all males and no females.

They suggest this small bit of duplicated DNA contains the switch that normally turns on SOX9 in response to SRY. When they introduced this duplication into mice, they found that it boosts SOX9 activity, so the change could allow SOX9 to work without SRY.

What this means for the future of men​

The imminent – evolutionarily speaking – disappearance of the human Y chromosome has elicited speculation about our future.

Some lizards and snakes are female-only species and can make eggs out of their own genes via what's known as parthenogenesis. But this can't happen in humans or other mammals because we have at least 30 crucial "imprinted" genes that work only if they come from the father via sperm.


To reproduce, we need sperm and we need men, meaning that the end of the Y chromosome could herald the extinction of the human race.

The new finding supports an alternative possibility – that humans can evolve a new sex determining gene. Phew!

However, evolution of a new sex determining gene comes with risks. What if more than one new system evolves in different parts of the world?

A "war" of the sex genes could lead to the separation of new species, which is exactly what has happened with mole voles and spiny rats.

So, if someone visited Earth in 11 million years, they might find no humans – or several different human species, kept apart by their different sex determination systems.

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Jenny Graves, Distinguished Professor of Genetics and Vice Chancellor's Fellow, La Trobe University
 
platypus, the XY pair is just an ordinary chromosome, with two equal members. This suggests the mammal X and Y were an ordinary pair of chromosomes not that long ago.
The platypus is also a freak even by marsupial standards. Even the multidicked echidna is less weird.

Speaking of them, here's a guy playing with a platypus. They're actually pretty friendly when they aren't being venomous freaks, I guess.
 
when i saw the title i was kind of expecting some tranny spin, but the first line:
The sex of human and other mammal babies is decided by a male-determining gene on the Y chromosome
alleviated this. good to see you can still publish articles saying human sex is determined by chromosomes rather than just whatever you feel like.

At this rate, the last 55 genes will be gone in 11 million years.
im sure humans will be long gone by then, y chromosome or not. at this rate i am very pessimistic about the long term survival of humans.
 
what does it matter that this is going to disappear in a few million years? even if we go extinct, i'd say we had a pretty good run, didn't we? even if the universe won't be bothered to admire our legacy, I'm sure something out there will
 
Depending on sex drive I imagine a single man could impregnate a pretty large number of women per year. Incels will still be bitching in 3,000,000 AD though.

This is also why militaries throughout history preferred not to enlist women unless absolutely necessary.
 
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what does it matter that this is going to disappear in a few million years? even if we go extinct, i'd say we had a pretty good run, didn't we? even if the universe won't be bothered to admire our legacy, I'm sure something out there will
I'd like to say we had a pretty good run, if I wasn't born to witness one of the most extreme forms of self-destruction and navel gazing; all because we let ourselves be bullied into thinking soulless mannequins have rights and are just as equal as anyone else.
 
The idea that the Y chromosome is degenerating is pretty fringe theory that just happens to have a lot of I LOVE THE SCIENCE believers pushing it. It's based on two facts: the Y chromosome used to have the same number of genes as the X, but now only has 45, and the time when it did have the same number was about 166 million years ago. They then take these two data points, assume a uniform rate of loss and calculate 10 genes lost per million years, which would mean the Y should disappear in approximately 4.5 million years from now.

Except that isn't how it works. The Y chromosome lost most of its genes over a very short period and then stopped. It has only lost a single gene in the last 25 million years, when the popular theory posits that it should have lost between 25 and 30. It conserves and repairs itself remarkably well, considering it can't cross-check with its partner chromosome to flush out errors. The current, actually scientific hypothesis is that it has developed an internal self-repair mechanism of some sort, possibly by folding over and self-comparing in some complicated way that hasn't been observed yet.
 
I'd like to say we had a pretty good run, if I wasn't born to witness one of the most extreme forms of self-destruction and navel gazing; all because we let ourselves be bullied into thinking soulless mannequins have rights and are just as equal as anyone else.
the thing is, that self-destructive navel-gazing makes up maybe a decade tops of thousands upon thousands of years of human history
it is an insignificant and tiny blip in an otherwise-great legacy of animals who ascended beyond their own and created beautiful things
massive monuments to their hubris, gorgeous architecture in service of an unknown that they put their faith into regardless of their terrible circumstances, all different types of cuisine and art and beauty in search of self-fulfillment and something more
when we're gone, nobody will remember the obese trannies screeching at computer screens
no matter what happens, this period cannot last for longer than a few generations, because if it does then there will be a collapse and a rebirth that is far closer to nature than the twisted abominations today's shady doctors are churning out
at worst, this will be remembered alongside the black plague: as an irrelevant yet catastrophic tragedy that greatly hampered humanity for a century or two, from which the species eventually recovered and thrived through
there will be so much more to appreciate that whatever this period prompts- be it disgust or disappointment- will be washed away by the awe inspired by what came before, and what might come next
 
The platypus is also a freak even by marsupial standards. Even the multidicked echidna is less weird.

Speaking of them, here's a guy playing with a platypus. They're actually pretty friendly when they aren't being venomous freaks, I guess.
He's just a platypus. They don't do much.
 
The platypus is also a freak even by marsupial standards. Even the multidicked echidna is less weird.

Speaking of them, here's a guy playing with a platypus. They're actually pretty friendly when they aren't being venomous freaks, I guess.
who's a good abomination? yes you are, yes you are
 
You could just transpose Sry to another chromosome or have an alternative transcription factor for SOX9. I think the problem is that 53 of the 54 other genes on the y are fertility factors, meaning that evolutionarily, men with intact Y chromosomes are more likely to be successful in reproducing than a y-negative man. There are already conditions where an XX karyotype develops a male phenotype, but they are typically sterile.

You can't just say "evolution" and expect anything to happen, and you can't expect every trend to continue to its extreme. Once something hits the point where it impedes or becomes a net harm to reproductive success, it likely won't catch on.
Rats are one of the most successful species out there in evolutionary terms. I wonder if the lack of a Y chromosome is part of the reason these are endangered?
Looking up the species, they're endangered because they're only native to a singular tiny island in Japan that's been settled, and that people have introduced multiple competitors and predators to.

It's also a rare case and isn't representative of most or all rats. The brown rat has multiple copies of the Sry gene on its Y chromosome, which I believe would make sex determination more Y-dependent in them than even in humans.
 
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