Weight loss support thread

[The I Scream Man]

Use compooter, compooter have many app, do math for you

Try downloading an app like My Fitness Pal or My Net Diary. they are really well-done and helpful when it comes to counting calories. You can also use them to track exercise and weight loss/gains.

Oh sorry, I should have clarified, I use my work calculator but I just hate numbers in general, it feels like work when I log that shit in Evernote lol

 

[Soggy paper straw]

Oh sorry, I should have clarified, I use my work calculator but I just hate numbers in general, it feels like work when I log that shit in Evernote lol

Do you need to calorie count? If you are currently eating "clearly way too much" you may not need to as it should be hopefully obvious that maybe you don't need that third cheesburger.

If you need to, you will eventually learn calories and be able to estimate how much you are eating with decent accuracy

 

[Brahma]

Sometimes I think the best time to log is when you're overeating because it really drives home how badly you're fucking up.

Slipped up and had a McDonald's for breakfast instead of having time to cook eggs? Better log because God knows if I carry on as normal that day I'm going to be 1k over

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I find that you need to do serious logging for a month or two, just to drive home how many calories are in shit.

Once you've got a good routine down, you really don't need to log beyond keeping a mental map of what you ate that day and not overeating.

The other useful thing to log is exercise, just to get a feel for "how useful each type is" - walking is good to build endurance but it doesn't burn all that many calories. So if you walk to McDs, even if it's a mile away, you only burn enough extra calories for a small fry. (2 miles total, est weight of 250, etc etc).

Also the calories you burn walking decrease as you lose weight.

 

[Atrax_Morgue_Dat_Pussy]

Eat Sardines. That's it.

Every time you get hungry eat a tin of sardines straight.

Still hungry? Eat another one. Keep going until you stop feeling hungry.

Unless you have legit BED disordered you will stop at some point.

It takes will power and strength but instead of buy junk food buy 30 tins of sardines.

Fuck counting calories or macros; the fat and protein in tin sardines will satisfy your hunger unless it's a mental thing.

Go ahead and chase it with diet soda for all I care just eat the sardines.

Middle of the night? Sardines.

Mid day hunger? Sardines

Just done fucking? SARDINES

You want some dessert? Well you better fucking like sardines cuz that's what you are getting.

Sugary Soda? No. Sardines

Energy Bar? No. Sardines

ALCOHOL?!! No. Sardines

Don't worry about mercury or lead because sardines don't have that shit.

Took much sodium? How does that differ from your current diet?

This not a cure all but sardines in tomato sauce and sweet potatoes are great base for a diet.

Those Italians weren't wrong everything....

 

[The I Scream Man]

Do you need to calorie count? If you are currently eating "clearly way too much" you may not need to as it should be hopefully obvious that maybe you don't need that third cheesburger.

If you need to, you will eventually learn calories and be able to estimate how much you are eating with decent accuracy

Its not necessarily that I'm eating way too much, as I'm seeing decent results from counting these things out, its more like @reptile baht spaniard rid said: its a good habit to be in, no matter how much I hate math

I guess my particular brand of tism enjoys knowing the weights (and calories by weight) of various things I'm eating, I've learned that several things that I thought were safe are actually calorie dense for relatively little nutrition

All part of the process I suppose

 

[Ultrapenguin]

I actually just wanted to post the below response about sardines, but I'll add a word about vegetables.

The thing is that eating vegetables kind of sucks if you're just eating them out of the fridge, no person will be able to tolerate nothing but cold salads for long, and needing to cook everything in a more traditional sense is too much of a pain in the ass.
You aren't going to be waking up every morning to sautee some spinach or w/e. Whenever it comes to issues like this, if it isn't easy, people won't keep it up.


That's why the microwave is the best weapon you have.

Any fresh vegetable, leafy green, w/e can just be plopped on a paper plate and put in the microwave for a couple minutes, and it'll be cooked exactly like it would be if you put it in the oven for a while.
I've seen people throw away kohlrabi greens because they're tough, you don't have to. Put a whole bunch on a plate, put it in for 2:30, and they come out soft. Put some salt minced garlic and olive oil plus some tomatoes/onions/walnuts or whatever, and you'll be glad you tried it.

I say all this because I think there's some perception that the kind of shit you get fresh in the grocery store isn't really edible. As in you can't actually eat it until you take it and make it into some kind of dish, so people don't want to deal with it.
That isn't true. Microwave + seasoning + olive oil (olive oil is still relatively calorically dense, don't get too carried away if you're worried about weight) is all it takes to make 90% of fresh produce into something very consumable, and much better than frozen.

Plus with this kind of stuff you can genuinely eat heaps of it and never reach an unhealthy weight, and most green things have other beneficial substances in them, meaning ideally you're gaining way more actual nutrition than calories.
So thanks to modern cooking technology, you can be a little adventurous without too much work and if you used to it I guarantee you'll lose weight.

Eat Sardines. That's it.

Every time you get hungry eat a tin of sardines straight.

Still hungry? Eat another one. Keep going until you stop feeling hungry.

Unless you have legit BED disordered you will stop at some point.

It takes will power and strength but instead of buy junk food buy 30 tins of sardines.

Fuck counting calories or macros; the fat and protein in tin sardines will satisfy your hunger unless it's a mental thing.

Go ahead and chase it with diet soda for all I care just eat the sardines.

Middle of the night? Sardines.

Mid day hunger? Sardines

Just done fucking? SARDINES

You want some dessert? Well you better fucking like sardines cuz that's what you are getting.

Sugary Soda? No. Sardines

Energy Bar? No. Sardines

ALCOHOL?!! No. Sardines

Don't worry about mercury or lead because sardines don't have that shit.

Took much sodium? How does that differ from your current diet?

This not a cure all but sardines in tomato sauce and sweet potatoes are great base for a diet.

Those Italians weren't wrong everything....

Heck yeah sardines. Here's a kiwi thread all about eating sardines.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-deenz-pill.68426/

They're like small little meat morsels you can whatever you want with, but they've also got a bunch of vitamin D and DHA. I've heard reports of dietary vitamin D being much more effective than supplements, although idk how true that is.

Plus they're pretty renewable and cheap since sardines reproduce like crazy, so there's never any worry about sardine shortages.

Although anchovies are good for other applications. You ever try eating fresh carrot and anchovies? It's good stuff.

 

[Null]

I've stopped losing weight, plateaued hard after New Year. I stopped drinking coke and have not had any soda product since right before NYE. However, I replaced my caffeine fix with coffee, and I drink it with a lot of cream. So I've added a lot of liquid calories to my diet and I drink as required to stay caffeinated throughout the day.

I'm considering either trying to replace coffee with tea (though I love my tea with cream too), or just popping caffeine pills and trying to drink water instead.

 

[Negrate]

I've stopped losing weight, plateaued hard after New Year. I stopped drinking coke and have not had any soda product since right before NYE. However, I replaced my caffeine fix with coffee, and I drink it with a lot of cream. So I've added a lot of liquid calories to my diet and I drink as required to stay caffeinated throughout the day.

I'm considering either trying to replace coffee with tea (though I love my tea with cream too), or just popping caffeine pills and trying to drink water instead.

either drink your coffee black or do meth you pussy what are you scared of needles?

 

[DSP's Tax Lawyer]

I've stopped losing weight, plateaued hard after New Year. I stopped drinking coke and have not had any soda product since right before NYE. However, I replaced my caffeine fix with coffee, and I drink it with a lot of cream. So I've added a lot of liquid calories to my diet and I drink as required to stay caffeinated throughout the day.

I'm considering either trying to replace coffee with tea (though I love my tea with cream too), or just popping caffeine pills and trying to drink water instead.

Do you need the caffeine to stay awake or is it something else? Cause you can just drink lots of water right when you wake up and it will keep you awake

 

[JoshPlz]

I've stopped losing weight, plateaued hard after New Year. I stopped drinking coke and have not had any soda product since right before NYE. However, I replaced my caffeine fix with coffee, and I drink it with a lot of cream. So I've added a lot of liquid calories to my diet and I drink as required to stay caffeinated throughout the day.

I'm considering either trying to replace coffee with tea (though I love my tea with cream too), or just popping caffeine pills and trying to drink water instead.

I like to prepare 2-3 liters of black tea, let it cool off and then put it in the fridge in the summer. What you could try to replace the cream with is artificial sweetener, which has no calories.
There is a large selection of different ones - even completely natural, if you don't trust the chemical stuff. The only downside is that some of them can cause gas and diarrhea, depending on dose and person.

When I'm too lazy or busy to make tea, I do just take caffeine pills and water. I like the ones that release slower but for longer.

 

[Outta my way Mr Foili]

required to stay caffeinated throughout the day

healthy diet + regular uncomfortable rigorous exercise, first 3 weeks will suck, then u wont need caffeine all day.


If u dont push urself with the workout, u wont get the feel-good chemicals, and then u wont get a positive-feedback loop happening,
but dont get an injury (very important).



I love good coffee, but when i drink it everyday I always gain weight.

Caffeine makes me alot less inclined to want to exercise throughout the day and less inclined to push myself more with the workout, cus of how the caffeine makes me feel.


If u give up the caffeine or use it very sparingly it may help.


first 3 weeks will suck, and then u will get used to getting all the energy and good feels u need from the the regular workouts and healthier routine + diet.


And when u really do need a pick-me-up and drink a coffee or a can of coke the effects will be alot more noticeable.


also, I dont think it is good for your heart to drink caffeine and then exercise, cus caffeine already increases blood pressure and puts strain on the heart.



Weight loss for me has been most effective with:

healthy home made food. veg, meat, carbs, fruit, water, keep it simple.

Everyday exercise and always pushing myself a little bit more each time, where u are actually sweating and breathing heavy, and u feel a lil tired after, but not super sore.
But DO NOT INJURE URSELF, always be a little cautious, injury will fuck ur shit up.



Everything else is cope and fat ppl excuses for not wanting to do the boring unglamorous sweaty effort stuff every fkin day, but there is no getting around it. after 3 weeks ul slowly start to enjoy this part, which is important, cus it will help u stick to it.


eat good, workout hard, forget all the other bullshit.


so ye, I've always found caffiene to be more of a barrier than an aid to weight loss.


also:

Jogging everyday for 30 mins on a grass oval is fantastic, cus grass is better on ur joints, and its a nice pleasant thing to do.


start off with easy less intense stuff (eg walk instead of jog), just to get urself doing it, so slipping into the routine isnt such a pain in the ass.


Get a cheap pull-up station (ebay) or bench press and weights for ur home, then u can smash out a set at anytime.


Pumping weights or doing some pull-ups feels nice.


Exercise can give you an energy boost.


try 30 min naps.

 

[McMitch]

Jogging everyday for 30 mins on a grass oval is fantastic, cus grass is better on ur joints, and its a nice pleasant thing to do.

Adding on to this: If you are running into psychological barriers when getting into running, an autistic adherence to this guide (used the image, don't bother with the app) will help overcome the mental wall.

 

[Abbadon's Gate]

I've stopped losing weight, plateaued hard after New Year. I stopped drinking coke and have not had any soda product since right before NYE. However, I replaced my caffeine fix with coffee, and I drink it with a lot of cream. So I've added a lot of liquid calories to my diet and I drink as required to stay caffeinated throughout the day.

I'm considering either trying to replace coffee with tea (though I love my tea with cream too), or just popping caffeine pills and trying to drink water instead.

Same though, prior to Christmas from just cutting soda and dieting I had dropped like 15 pounds. During the break I got used to eating bad again and I'm sitting at 230lbs.

Its the middle of June now and I get married in September. I'm thinking of just cutting out food entirely aside from dinner for a bit. Maybe I'll keep lunch. I'm not sure what the benefits to just eating dinner are versus dinner and lunch. Soda's gotta go though.

Summer's here though so at least there's stuff to do at the beach this time of year.

 

[Outta my way Mr Foili]

either drink your coffee black or do meth you pussy what are you scared of needles?

throwing up food
meth
pharmaceutical amphetamines
other drugs
other 'quick' fix ideas
stomach surgeries
spending thousands unnecessarily

all the quick fixes end up having un-intended & mostly negative consequences, for you and the people connected to u.

trying to take a short-cut, but then paying for it in terrible ways later on.

here is the true solution;

appropriate food choices, adequate exercise.

Ur monkey brain, will never see it like that, so u gotta think about it logically and step in and force the logical choice.

everyone fights with the monkey brain, and fucks up here and there, but it gets easier after some time and effort.

It's important to make decisions in life consciously and not leave it up to the part of us that just wants to feel good right now, with the least effort.

running around and exercising is in itself a really nice thing to do, especially when ur fit, and u've been doing all the right things, everything just werks, feels natural, and cool, and it makes u feel cool, and like u got ur shit on lock, and u get like a nice buzz off it.

And it just makes life easier, and nicer somehow.


also people can lose the abilities to do these things, shit happens, people can lose their legs and then they have to drag around a wheelchair, or try to walk on stilts, sometimes things get alot worse from there and they dont get better, but u may not hear about this often or at all. And things can get really desperate and horrific.


Once you've been fit for a while you can take ur foot off the gas for a bit, chillout, workout a bit less, be more relaxed on the food choices, but then say to urself "ok, enough, time to get back into it" and it wont be such a big scary deal, cus u've done it before, u knw how it will be.


Other problems in life will still be there.

things will still get shit/depressing/boring, but at least ul be doing things the right way.

And you'll be in a better position to deal with w/e comes up.

Also if you felt bad, would u suddenly stop doing other personal maintenance things like bathing, brushing ur teeth, washing ur clothes, or cleaning?

of course not, and it would just make life even harder.

It's the same with healthy eating and regular exercise, it's essential.

 

[Negrate]

throwing up food
meth
pharmaceutical amphetamines
other drugs
other 'quick' fix ideas
stomach surgeries
spending thousands unnecessarily

all the quick fixes end up having un-intended & mostly negative consequences, for you and the people connected to u.

trying to take a short-cut, but then paying for it in terrible ways later on.



here is the true solution;

appropriate food choices, adequate exercise.

Ur monkey brain, will never see it like that, so u gotta think about it logically and step in and force the logical choice.

everyone fights with the monkey brain, and fucks up here and there, but it gets easier after some time and effort.

It's important to make decisions in life consciously and not leave it up to the part of us that just wants to feel good right now, with the least effort.

too many words do drugs instead

 

[AbyssStarer]

Whenever I plateaued I recalibrated my proteins to sugars and replaced more refined sugars with healthier alternatives (fruit usually). Does honey have less calories than cream? That might be a better substitute than non-nutritive sweeteners.

 

[Barry McKockner]

I've stopped losing weight, plateaued hard after New Year. I stopped drinking coke and have not had any soda product since right before NYE. However, I replaced my caffeine fix with coffee, and I drink it with a lot of cream. So I've added a lot of liquid calories to my diet and I drink as required to stay caffeinated throughout the day.

I'm considering either trying to replace coffee with tea (though I love my tea with cream too), or just popping caffeine pills and trying to drink water instead.

Seriously: For your caffeine fix, just get a high caffeine pre-workout. Low in calories and fuck high in caffeine. Just be aware that one scoop has the equivalent of like two to three energy drinks depending on which one you get. Mix it in a bottle of water and you'll be hyped for hours.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Sardines

You are clearly sent from Hell. No offense.

cold salads

Do not discount the value of a salad for breakfast. Not kidding. Spinach-based. Couple handfuls of spinach, tomatoes (get a pack of cherry/grape (heritage/multi-colored is fun) tomatoes, slice each in half and throw in. One or more kinds of sweet peppers (green, red, orange, yellow, doesn't matter). Those^ give color, texture, nutrients, interest. Onion, chopped to your preferred size (I like a lot; ymmv). Feta (or shredded parmesan/Romano) is an option, and yes, I often throw in some croutons (more or less, depending on mood or guilt).

Corn, too. Buy frozen; microwave; add to salad.

You can cut up a bunch of vegs at once (and even cook the corn) and the cut/cooked vegs will be OK in containers in the frig for a couple of days -> minimizes morning effort.

(Leftover chicken or other meat if you have/must)

Over the salad, a lean vinaigrette: get a jar with a lid. Red wine vinegar (or balsamic, if preferred) (lots), olive oil (little), mustard, oregano, parsley, basil (or some kind of "Italian blend"), black pepper. Buy chopped garlic in jars and add to mix if you like. Shake; pour.

Toss.

Right there you have fiber, iron, vitamins (A & K?) and some/a lot of protein to start your day. A little fat to sate the taste buds. And a taste for "pure" ingredients.

Also, that^ is a pretty rich salad, so you can pare back on what's included if that's too much goodness to face at 8/9 am. Cut croutons/cheese, easy.

Have with black coffee and at least 16-20 Oz of water and vitamins of choice.

Alternative/supplement if available: a shit-ton of fresh fruit. Berries are your friend. Just rinse; no cutting required, and good vitamins.

It's even OK to have a berry dessert after your salad breakfast. Eat with your fingers. It's slower and lasts longer.

Other breakfast winners: scrambled eggs. Protein will fill you.

That's why the microwave is the best weapon you have.

100%. Frozen broccoli, peas, beans, corn.
Yes, I add butter to broccoli. Don't buy any pre-sauced anything.

Beans are also great sautéed with garlic (powder or garlic salt in a pinch) and a very small amount of olive oil (you really don't need much). Pepper if you like.

Even my kids used to like those sautéed beans, or the microwaved broc, as snacks, and I didn't exactly run a stringent household. They're just that good.

However, I replaced my caffeine fix with coffee, and I drink it with a lot of cream. So I've added a lot of liquid calories to my diet and I drink as required to stay caffeinated throughout the day.

Couple thoughts:
Switch to milk. Best way: heat the milk (stove or microwave) to at or near- scalding [experiment, but when it's actually scalded it takes on a...warmer, fattier? smell. If you heat it on the stove, it can start to bubble, though not necessary.]. If your coffee isn't fresh/super- hot, heat it as well before adding milk for best flavor. But either way, combine milk and coffee. If it's cool enough to gulp, it's not hot enough.

You'll use more milk than you did cream. But you can start paring it back if you're having a lot/concerned on calories. Prob 2% is best for the milk. Still get some fat so it's luscious in your mouth, but you'll get more protein due to volume, so more satisfying to your actual body. Skim isn't very satisfying, ultimately.

Before you have the next cup, consider whether you actually need a full cup. Ideally, a person would want to lower tolerance, both for health, and for maximizing effectiveness/efficiency. So maybe a half cup for the next go, or alternate black and milky.

Drink a lot of fucking water. Not enough water can make you sleepy.

Spend a little money on really good coffee. Experiment. If you don't buy whole bean and grind it for each pot, consider it. A decent grinder doesn't cost much. I mention this because if you're a) savoring the flavor/making a really good cup of coffee, you'll be more psychologically satisfied and less inclined to slam another cup; and 2) you might find that you enjoy it black sometimes, or with less high-calorie additives (whether cream or milk). And before you toss back the usual amount, consider taking some sips then giving it 5 or 10 to hit before gulping the rest. Might find you need less than you thought. That goes especially if you're kind of keeping it going through the day.

And on that note, getting enough sleep will absolutely help with being able to do weight loss. If you don't get a lot of sleep, or sleep poorly, addressing that at least some days will, if you pause and think, help reduce the need for caffeine - and to wind back to topic, will likely mean fewer liquid calories.

Tea is great. Mate (Yerba mate) is worth exploring. If you go for tea, you can pick kinds of decreasing caffeine (mate > black > green > white) through the day so you're not getting propped up to stay up so late you don't get enough sleep.

Physically, a few minutes' break every so often to do a few sit-ups or push-ups will help reinvigorate and wake you up -> less caffeine needs. I'm not even talking "work out" - just a few of those [whatever is your bandwidth] gets things going and a bit of energy, maybe enough to delay the next hit. That kind of exercise isn't going to make you lose weight due to calorie expending, but it can do a little toning (never bad) plus wake you up so help re-route neural habits.

 

[anustart76]

you can just drink lots of water right when you wake up

This feels like something I should be remembering to do every morning regardless