Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Not really because it's too gosh darn cold to grow cocoa beans in the tundra, but there is a factory on the Moskva waterfront that precedes the revolution and is perhaps the only genuine brand of Russian goods with a documented history of 170+ years. Why do you ask, though?
Oh... I was thinking about chocolate and then opened this thread. I really want some chocolate.
 
Oh... I was thinking about chocolate and then opened this thread. I really want some chocolate.
Then grab this baby if you see it anywhere, it's a classic.

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Going back to the topic of the dam being blown up. It may very well have deteriorated on its own because AFU had prodded it with Himars last year, neither side benefits from it fucking their shit up.

AFU was forced to evacuate some of their troops and can no longer advance either upstream or downstream, it will take months for the swamp to dry. Russians lost some of their minefields and front line fortifications, and the Crimea is now deprived of water just the way it had been before the war started.

Having said that, there are certain upsides to this man-made disaster, largely political ones. Either side can now reap the benefits and use the catastrophe as an excuse to wrap up the conflict, selling it as a victory. A much-needed off-ramp that had not existed before.

A UN emergency meeting will take place at 20:00 GMT. Let's listen carefully and see whether the sides will throw empty accusations at each other or consider a begrudging truce. :optimistic::optimistic::optimistic:
 
There’s a nuclear plant upstream of the dam which uses the water for cooling. The DM in the Uk has been gleefully talking about the reactor being unable to be cooled.
The article really got me thinking of how many such articles have mentioned potential nuclear infrastructure in the war. I’m thinking that they are really wanting a nuclear incident to sour the public on nuclear power. There’s been a lot of issues with power in Europe and people are asking why we don’t use more nuclear. The answer is becasue it would give us plenty of power and this is not what tptb want for their green agenda. We are supposed to be under a controlled decline regime.
This is a very good point. Nuclear needs to be vilified any way possible. More so after Greta and her klan failed to shit-talk nuclear. Their global warming scam backfired because people started asking for Nuclear.

The Zapinhrino (or whatever) it's called, has been front line news many times over the past 12 months. I reckon you're spot on the money.

As for the dam busting, if this counts as a war crime for destroying infrastructure that civilians rely upon, what is was the Nord stream incident?
 
This is a very good point. Nuclear needs to be vilified any way possible. More so after Greta and her klan failed to shit-talk nuclear. Their global warming scam backfired because people started asking for Nuclear.

The Zapinhrino (or whatever) it's called, has been front line news many times over the past 12 months. I reckon you're spot on the money.

As for the dam busting, if this counts as a war crime for destroying infrastructure that civilians rely upon, what is was the Nord stream incident?
Our rulers hate us so much they would salivate over a potentially catastrophic nuclear incident happening if it kept us in our cages. The more I think of this the more true I think it is. That power plant has been news multiple times, and each time nothing happened but the media were clearly setting up a what if. Forces near it! Forces occupying it! Dam drained by it! Potential meltdown!
They want another Chernobyl to chill public desire for nuclear. These people are evil. Energy policy and control is clearly central to The controlled decline agenda. Hence nordstream.
 
As for the dam busting, if this counts as a war crime for destroying infrastructure that civilians rely upon, what is was the Nord stream incident?

When they were pushing that it was Russia that did it they were saying it was an act of war for destroying German infrastructure. funny how they stopped that when it was revealed that it was Ukraine that did it.
 
Do Russians make good chocolate?
Aside from already mentioned Babaevsky chocolate factory the only thing that comes to mind is Pobeda or PobedaVkusa, a far younger operating business, but one that seems to actually aim at both low and high end of the price spectrum, given that even with current situation their product line goes anywhere between 0.3$ and 55$, personally I really enjoyed their 30% milk chocolate, even if it was an absolute pain to find in actual stores.
 
Do Russians make good chocolate?
Not really. I go out of my way to buy Swedish chocolate. Marabou Digestive is yummy.
As for the dam busting, if this counts as a war crime for destroying infrastructure that civilians rely upon, what is was the Nord stream incident?
Western media called the pipeline attack a war crime and blamed us for it, because attacking our own infrastructure critical for the economy is such an orcish move, right? Just the same western media is calling the attack on the dam a war crime and blaming us for it, because depriving Crimea and the nuclear plant of water and washing away pro-Russia towns makes so much sense for us to do, right?

Reports from the area say there was no apparent attack before the dam broke, so it seems plausible lack of maintenance ever since the hohols fired HIMARS at it last year made it finally burst. Not that I'd put it past these scum to have attacked it to damage our fortifications downstream, they surely realise that they're not getting any of this territory back so bursting the dam costs us a fortune and them nothing, and they're definitely evil enough to kill civilians (who they outrageously claim to be defending) just to spite us.
 
Our rulers hate us so much they would salivate over a potentially catastrophic nuclear incident happening if it kept us in our cages. The more I think of this the more true I think it is. That power plant has been news multiple times, and each time nothing happened but the media were clearly setting up a what if. Forces near it! Forces occupying it! Dam drained by it! Potential meltdown!
They want another Chernobyl to chill public desire for nuclear. These people are evil. Energy policy and control is clearly central to The controlled decline agenda. Hence nordstream.
For all the shit Chernobyl stirred up, only a handful of people died as a result of it. There's more dead bodies set in the concrete of the Hoover dam than everyone killed in nuclear accidents ever.
 
The dam may be bigger deal then most realize. Ive heard that the amount of explosives need to level it would be enormous.

If this was an op there's a good chance it was done underwater with a SADM, Special Atomic Demolition Munition. Basically a mini nuke that can go from 10 to 100 tons of power. Low amounts of radiation and VERY good at pinpoint destruction. An old Nato weapon developed in the 80's that was supposedly decommissioned....

Here's a very plausible theory on how they did it.
https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1666109897010987009

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Very very bad business. Word on the street is the brits did it.
 
For all the shit Chernobyl stirred up, only a handful of people died as a result of it. There's more dead bodies set in the concrete of the Hoover dam than everyone killed in nuclear accidents ever.
The radiation killed thousands from cancer over the years. Its still the worst nuclear accident and a drop in a bucket when conpared to how much air polution kill every year. The hatred that green retards have for nuclear energy is completely irrational.
 
Prigozhin released another hour-long breakdown of updates yesterday, including regarding Belgorod and MOD treachery.

For those OOTL who only read 5D-chess-circlejerkers, the 72nd brigade of the Russian Armed Forces attacked Wagner troops as they were demining the roads that the RU MOD had boobytrapped with mines and explosive charges in an attempt to blow up Wagner as they were retreating from Bakhmut. Wagner quickly captured them and is currently holding their commander prisoner. Transcribed by Russian doomer-blogger Rolo Slavskiy on substack here.

Prigozhin Demands 200k Men to Form New Army, Accuses Shoigu of Organizing the Active Genocide of the Russian People, Lays Out Ultimatum to MoD, Threatens to March on Moscow!

Prigozhin released another hour-long video on June 5th. In it, he was his usual apoplectic self. I realize that there is a lot happening now. A Ukrainian counter-offensive has started and a giant dam has been blown (we can’t be sure who did it yet), but this interview was just so good that I had to cover it. Besides, there is the total fog of war and active disinfo being promoted by both NAFO mutts and Z-gypsies making it hard to ascertain what is happening for real. One thing I know for sure though is that the Russian MoD is lying through their teeth as usual.

I threw my head back and scoffed so hard that it turned into a sneeze when I heard Konashenkov, the spokesman, claim that there were 1500 UAF confirmed kills within a little more than a day:

Total AFU losses in South Donetsk direction were over 1,500 Ukrainian servicemen, 28 tanks, including FRG-manufactured 8 Leopard tanks, three French-manufactured AMX-10 wheeled tanks and 109 armoured fighting vehicles.
Luckily, neither Rolo nor Prigozhin, nor Strelkov nor anyone with a brain still believes Konashenkov or the MoD anymore. But let’s get into that tomorrow when we have more info. The interview first:

  • Prigozhin confirms that Wagner pulled out of Bakhmut (5Ders denied this would happen)
  • The MoD likes to retreat and leave hard-fought positions
  • Things are going badly around Bakhmut for the Russian army
  • There is a good chance that the Russian MoD will order a retreat up to where Wagner is and beyond
  • The MoD lies that Russia is advancing, they only care about intrigues and PR to save face
  • The MoD won’t improve or change its behavior, no way, no how
  • Zaporozhye (the southern front) is already a disaster
  • If the UAF can penetrate 5-6 kilometers, nothing will stop their further envelopment
  • Berdyansk and Mariuple are next and many locals support the UAF
  • Shoigu and the higher-ups should be at the front, like the Ukrainians do
  • Anyone who brings bad news is immediately disciplined
  • Bakhmut will be taken by the UAF soon
  • Wagner now has everything an army needs even planes, intelligence, satellites
  • Prigozhin demands 200k men and a new army under his command
  • Prigozhin calls for a new mobilization
  • The current mobilization is a disaster, men are thrown into battle after three days of drinking and used up as raw meat or cannon fodder
  • Under Prigozhin, men would actually be trained before being sent to the front at a minimum of 3 months
  • The current strength of many Russian units is a phantom because they are cobbled together so that the higher-ups can claim that a full unit exists where it doesn’t
  • Massive reforms are needed
  • Prisoners make good soldiers because the require very little and Wagner trained them for two months. This is the minimum amount
  • The Russian front has already been pierced in several points, around Bakhmut, the south and now in Belgorod
  • In the south, the MoD has already lost populated points, this is part of a coordinated offensive
  • Airpower wont save the situation
  • Russia will never fire the nukes at this point. If the nukes were to be fired, they should have been fired a long time ago
  • Armies need to be built on competent leadership and respect. There is no respect within the Russian army because of the attitude of the leadership
  • The higher-ups cannot be immune from punishment like they are now, this undermines morale
  • Officers in the army have a little red emergency button where they call him up and warn him about how bad the situation is with their higher-ups
  • Russia will lose more territories, this is unavoidable now
  • It is unconscionable to hold a referendum, incorporate new Russian territory, and then not defend it. The chinovniks should be sent to the front
  • Russia could have done 3-4 waves of mobilization by now. But even now, this won’t be done
  • Shoigu and his idiot daughter will do what they always do
  • Gerasimov is an alcoholic who drinks to the point of hallucinations
  • The Russian people will rise up against them, eventually, if the Duma doesn’t order the execution of MoD officials
  • The shootings very soon
  • Now that Russia has lost actual, legal Russian territory, all the other enemies of Russia will now join the fight because they know that Russia is weak
  • Prigozhin has collected letters from people in Belgorod begging Wagner for help, and complaining that the MoD is letting them be exterminated
  • Video evidence from the raids show that the UAF is well-trained
  • The locals claim that the MoD lied that they killed all the raiders
  • Prigozhin claims that the footage shown by the MoD was faked and that the corpses of the UAF were staged . The bloodstains, the uniforms, the way the corpses were lying and where they were found, all of it proves that it was a PR hoax event
  • Russia needs a Pinochet-style solution where the elites of Russia are held at gunpoint and forced to do what needs to be done
  • Battles still continue around Shebekina, in Russia, which the MoD hides
  • The coward mayor did not go to the prisoner swap, even though he would not be killed because he is so useful to Kiev
  • The mayor wants to hand out old guns, but refused Wagner’s offers to distribute weapons and train the locals for free
  • Prigozhin fired someone from Wagner who was getting bribed by the mayor there
  • The MoD continues to arm the UAF by leaving behind equipment and weapons in the field
  • Shoigu needs to get his ass over to Belgorod
  • Prigozhin has written to various ministries that a check on how many Russians have died. He says that, clearly it is at least 50k now.
  • A genocide of the Russian people has been organized, Shoigu is deliberately participating in the genocide of the Russian people
  • The MoD did nothing to prepare for this war and refuse to move to a wartime regime to cover their asses
  • The surrender of Russian territory should be a life-imprisonment offense
  • The UAF is still in Belgorod and advancing deeper into Russian territory
  • Nukes cannot save this situation, where to drop it now?
  • The two safest places in case of a nuclear war are where Shoigu and other MoD officials are because the West will never touch the people who are winning the war for them
  • The people running the show in Russia are so crazy that they might even nuke their own territory where the UAF is because only then will the West not retaliate
  • 40k people live in Shebekina, this is larger than Bakhmut
  • Kiev defended Bakhmut but Moscow doesn’t care to defend Shebekina
  • It is good that the drones were dropped on Rublevka, a rich suburb in Moscow where the elites live
  • The MoD doesn’t care about the prisoners taken by Kiev
  • Wagner won’t be able to get to Belgorod to defend it because the MoD will fight them
  • If Wagner shows up there, MoD wouldn’t be able to hide the UAF offensive
  • The MoD wanted to destroy Wagner in Bakhmut and mined the roads deliberately
  • The reason why the MoD won’t let Wagner defend Belgorod because from there it is not far to Moscow
  • Wagner might roll into Rublevka and have a talk with the elites there, but this hasn’t been decided yet
  • Prigozhin gives the MoD a two week ultimatum to clear out Belgorod or they will move there without approval
  • The elites don’t care that the Belgorodians are being killed like dogs
  • Shoigu should go back home to Tuva
  • In two weeks, if the MoD doesn’t commit to defending Belgorod, Wagner will make good on its threats to occupy Belgorod
  • The Belgorod attacks are a classic feint to draw attention to the north to prepare for the southern push
  • Russia should have prepared better, should have attacked in certain positions
  • But Russia has no army now. No one is being trained or prepared. Mobiks are just getting drunk and waiting.
  • Prigozhin says the 72nd commander who mined the roads behind Wagner is a traitor and deserter and coward. He was supposed to be arrested already for his desertion earlier in the south. Instead, he was hidden away by the MoD in the rear and spent his time drinking. He should have been shot. He stormed a hospital with a gun and forced a doctor to say that he was wounded in the knee. The FSB is investigating him right now. The ambush was serious, they had 100 men ready for the attack on Wagner.
  • Prigozhin says that he kept his tongue for a year. Society needs to know the truth about what is happening. This is the only way to cure a disease. Russia is a very sick man.
  • Prigozhin initially tried to go through official channels, but was rebuked. The only thing that the leadership cares about is keeping their positions. Shoigu and Gerasimov are 100% certain that they will never be touched and they are right.
  • The army must be restored and this can only be done if the officers are sent to the frontlines
  • Out of the 7000 generals in the army, only 200 should be kept, the rest should be put on pensions or demoted a rank or two and sent to the front. There should be a “General’s Brigade” that should be sent to die for their country.
  • Nothing will change however because the state media lies on their behalf. Soloviev is told to say what he says.
  • Russia’s defeat is all but certain unless there is an actual war mobilization, but that won’t happen unless the people learn the truth and have their voices heard
  • Russia’s generals are clowns who steal Wagner’s glory and claim credit for Bakhmut, are all political appointees
  • Prigozhin says that an internal shake-up won’t lead to collapse, but will make Russia stronger.
  • UAF will only go about 150km into Russia before the Russian people will organize a resistance, but Moscow fears arming militias because they fear that they will march on Moscow, and for good reason
  • More pressure needs to be put on Russia’s elites
  • The journalists have let down Russia as well, they do not go to visit the soldiers’ graves because if they did, the Russian people would learn the truth about what is happening with this war
  • Prigozhin knew one of Serdyukov’s (former minister of defense) bodyguards who vowed to kill Serdyukov for his treachery should a war begin. He ruined the Russian army and Shoigu finished the job.
  • Lotus, one of Russia’s heroes, who took Soledar, a man with three medals for courage, four orders. A legendary captain. In 2013, they were all put to pasture by Shoigu. Lotus, a veteran of Chechnya, got an apartment for 150k roubles (very cheap) for his valor. But there was fraud involved. The documents were deliberately faked and so 36 of these vets were arrested for a fraud that they did not do. Lotus and the vets were convicted by the MoD for these fake documents given to them. The MoD man who went after Lotus and is men is now a general. A cretin and an alcoholic. The worst of the worst and an incompetent. Unlike Lotus, who took Soledar, this idiot is losing Bakhmut positions. This man tried to steal 800k from Lotus. If Lotus were in the army, things would be different. But he is in Wagner now.
  • Only the worst people climb in the ranks in Russia. A reverse social lift. All they do is steal money on an industrial scale.
  • Of the 7k generals in Russia, none can hold a candle to Lotus, but they are good at ass-kissing, drinking, and stealing
  • There has to be respect from the bottom down and the top down
  • Bakhmut has no strategic value and those who claim otherwise are lying and acting like bloggers (i.e., saying that to get clicks) [Hear that, Simpletonius?]
  • Bakhmut was done to give time to prepare the Russian army
  • All the losses in Bakhmut are now pointless, a waste of blood, because no preparations were done
  • Prigozhin says that the new shells are more powerful and make up for the low production levels. Russia has the industrial potential to make what it needs. But the government doesn’t allow it. Prigozhin personally talked to a factory owner who would be able to totally supply Wagner and increase production. The MoD refuses to sign a contract with this factory owner. [Probably because they expect a bribe.]
  • The top officials hate their subordinates and won’t listen to anyone below them in the packing order
  • Prigozhin has experts that confirm that the supply problems can be solved, but the MoD won’t listen to him
  • The only source of optimism for Prigozhin is that he believes that he can prepare partisans
  • The media has to stop lying, the Russian people need to wake up, the political leadership needs to start working. Otherwise, a civil war will start.
Prigozhin is asking for help in getting his warnings out there and past the media blockade. Me, I’m doing my part here. But you can help as well. Most of you guys know the drill by now. Share this interview in the comments sections of your favorite lying 5D blogs and watch them blow a gasket.

Thanks in advance.
 
The preposterous claims that Russia was shelling its own nuclear power plants woke me up to how much straight up propaganda there is in officially independent Western media. The pipeline and dam lies are even more ridiculous.

edit: Here's a video by Tucker Carlson discussing it.
 
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So, of we accept this as fact:
1. The US knew of the attack beforehand and did not tell anyone
2. The US did not stop the attack, despite being in the area
3. The US blamed Russia for it, compelling NATO to continue fighting the war when heat shortages were happening.

The US is rapidly burning though any trust it had left.
 
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