Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

I look him up on wikipedia. Tucker's first job was in journalism, and it's basically been non stop journalism since then. There really is something to be said about figures who shout "these guys dont care and cannot sympathize with you" down from ivory towers of their own.
Before that he wanted to join the CIA. Makes one wonder.
More so, as his dad is a miracle rags to riches establishment success story, his mom was brain dead champagne hippie billionaire, and his stepmom having all kinds of glowie webs in her side of the family. That's not even mentioning Tucker's billionaire heiress wife.
Personally, I like his content sometimes vuz he funny, but nigga must be out of his mind to believe Tucker, the gold plate of elitism, gives a single fuck about normal people.
 
Personally, I like his content sometimes vuz he funny, but nigga must be out of his mind to believe Tucker, the gold plate of elitism, gives a single fuck about normal people.
Tucker will run with stories he doesn't believe. He shills for the uniparty's controlled opposition stance.
Blind squirrel, nuts, etc

The Russians probably wouldn't be in Ukraine right now if Trump was president.

Putin would not have wanted to fuck around with Trump because there was high chance of finding out. OTOH, in the alternate universe where Trump got a second term, Putin would likely be positioning now for his "SMO". and that would mean the T-14 would be 4 more years further along and possibly in full-scale production lol I can't even type that with a straight face.

He might also decide that Trump is a lame duck who won't dick over his party's candidate and do an Ossentia like with Dubya. And like Ossentia, that might have meant France would get there first and propose a 'peace deal' where Russia gets half the country and Ukraine gets nothing.
 
Tucker will run with stories he doesn't believe. He shills for the uniparty's controlled opposition stance.
Blind squirrel, nuts, etc
Someone who took a deep dive into Tucker told me once that the whole deal with Tucker and his success, bar enormous wealth and connections, is that Tucker is the prefect talking head who knows where the winds are blowing, enabling him to know when and where to align, and when need be to realign, to get the most amount of public attention. Not giving a shit and just enjoying life helps out a lot.
Another fun fact is that when he was a college student Tucker and some friends who also ended up high in the media world traveled around latin America or some shit, doing drugs and drinking booze, reporting on the spreading communist wave at the time and all the horrors that came with it. Coincidentally Bernie Sanders did similar trips back in the day, though he went in support of the commie socialistas.
May be that in a few years Tucker will be asking for Zelensky's autograph, praising the whole war in the opposite light of his vatnik gaslightning right now.
 
So... (at this moment)
About 42K people flooded, displaced, many left to rot on the roof of their houses without anyone coming to the rescue.
Drinking water, healthcare, sanitation - gone.
Predicted 70% decrease in Ukrainian agricultural output; grain prices already starting to explode, while bread is already sometimes 3 times the price it had before the war in the area
Obliteration of fauna and vegetation downstream of the dam
Predicted inability to cross the river as a military, so no counteroffensive that way
150 tonnes of industrial oil spilled; another 300 likely to spill as more infrastructure deteriorates with nobody able to fix things
Predicted desertification of territories that will remain without irrigation
 
Here are a couple of maps that give an idea of what the Dnieper river basin will look like once the Kakhovka reservoir has fully drained. These maps were drawn up by German General Staff in 1943 after the Soviets blew up the Dnieper dam (up near Zaporizhzhia) in 1941.

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So... (at this moment)
About 42K people flooded, displaced, many left to rot on the roof of their houses without anyone coming to the rescue.
Drinking water, healthcare, sanitation - gone.
Predicted 70% decrease in Ukrainian agricultural output; grain prices already starting to explode, while bread is already sometimes 3 times the price it had before the war in the area
Obliteration of fauna and vegetation downstream of the dam
Predicted inability to cross the river as a military, so no counteroffensive that way
150 tonnes of industrial oil spilled; another 300 likely to spill as more infrastructure deteriorates with nobody able to fix things
Predicted desertification of territories that will remain without irrigation
Yep. Sounds like Ukraine definitely did it to themselves on purpose, really really.
 
Chef Man says Ukraine is badly kicking the shit out of the regular Russian army on all three fronts

Kinda x to doubt as that's his main activity the last two months, sperging in increasingly deranged fashion about Shoigu and Gerasimov failing

Ukraine is definitely having successes all along the line though
 
I had heard about this recent change in Russian law from a Youtuber just hours after the dam blew, but as I could not find any news source to confirm, I haven't mentioned it. Thank you for finding proof.

This is another reason why I'm certain the Russians did it. That's a super specific law to pass forbidding investigation of attacks on hydroelectric dams mere days before a hydroelectric dam is attacked.

It's very... :thinking:

Looking forward to seeing the vatniggers claim that the law actually doesn't say what it says or Russian legal code is fake or CIA SAS Mossad glowies infiltrated the Kremlin and snuck this on the books or whatever cope they need to keep their alternate reality intact.
 
So... (at this moment)
About 42K people flooded, displaced, many left to rot on the roof of their houses without anyone coming to the rescue.
Drinking water, healthcare, sanitation - gone.
Predicted 70% decrease in Ukrainian agricultural output; grain prices already starting to explode, while bread is already sometimes 3 times the price it had before the war in the area
Obliteration of fauna and vegetation downstream of the dam
Predicted inability to cross the river as a military, so no counteroffensive that way
150 tonnes of industrial oil spilled; another 300 likely to spill as more infrastructure deteriorates with nobody able to fix things
Predicted desertification of territories that will remain without irrigation
Yeah, it's probably going to be more than that. Kherson area is the prime real estate for growing all sorts of food. More hunger, more instability on a global scale.

I'm going to miss Kherson watermelons.
 
He might also decide that Trump is a lame duck who won't dick over his party's candidate and do an Ossentia like with Dubya. And like Ossentia, that might have meant France would get there first and propose a 'peace deal' where Russia gets half the country and Ukraine gets nothing.
Never would have happened. The Ukrainians would never agree to it and the British would never let it happen (they were mighty miffed about what happened with Georgia; there is a reason the British government is so pro-Ukraine).
 
Never would have happened. The Ukrainians would never agree to it and the British would never let it happen (they were mighty miffed about what happened with Georgia; there is a reason the British government is so pro-Ukraine).
Of course there is, Ukraine was the first opportunity for Britain since Thatcher to take a strong leadership role in geopolitical affairs. And Johnson jumped all over that opportunity
 
Yep. Sounds like Ukraine definitely did it to themselves on purpose, really really.
Vatniggers have begun quoting Western mainstream media from September and October talking about Ukrainian plans to damage the dam. They also love to point out that at that time, Western analysts dismissed claims that Russia wanted to destroy the dam. Of course, absolutely nothing of significance happened in November and the strategic situation has remained completely unchanged around Kherson.
 
So what are the odds that Russia actually intentionally did this? It makes it hard for the Ukrainians to counterattack across the river, but if what I've heard about Russian troops stationed on the bank being wiped out and water supply to Crimea being affected are true, along with affecting agriculture and pissing off the international community even more, it feels like they've kind of stomped on their own dick a bit here. I saw some speculation that the Russians were just going to release a bit of water to take out Ukraine troops on the islands downriver but the damage to the dam made it fall apart while they were doing this, or just that the damage to the dam from both sides fighting near it caused it to fail when enough water was in the reservoir and Russia did nothing to intentionally cause it, and right now I side with either of those theories more than an intentional demolition by the Russians because it just seems so stupid and self-destructive even for them. But who knows, maybe we're seeing a new nadir in Russian intelligence here. I hope more evidence surfaces either way in the coming days.
 
So what are the odds that Russia actually intentionally did this?
The only correct answer at this time is "nobody knows", I mean, if it was truly intentionally blown up, somebody does know, but that's, well, quite useless for us.
I've seen claims that it might have been a water mine that simply eventually reached the dam. In all honesty, I expect the damn was also mined heavily. And I also expect each side playing with artillery around the area and hoping for the best.
Obviously there's also a chance this was deliberate, but for what exact purpose, we also don't know. Maybe Russia has actual info on a potentially dangerous assault over the river, and calculated that ts only way out was to remove the possibility. TBH seems a bit far fetched, how many Russian soldiers died in this flood? Will Crimea be OK? How many recently dug fortifications swept by the flood? We need answers like these before speculating.
Ukraine also has little reason to sabotage it IMO. Is it worth causing such an ecological disaster in the country you already spent thousands of lives defending? What for? Crimea? Was there some Russian army massing over the east bank of the river? More importantly, Ukraine has risked aggravating Romania, Hungary, Poland etc., NATO countries, just so it can export more cereals. It seems to be a very high priority to keep selling as much cereals as possible for Ukraine. And yet, now they kill 70% of their capacity to do that? That just doesn't really compute.
If somebody truly did this on purpose, they're pretty messed up in the head, that's for sure.
 
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