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[Skeletonized Cow]

i think this is in reference to like pickup trucks not semis. granted you can carry far more heavy shit in one of those too compared to cargo bikes but if we're just talking general shit like groceries, carrying lighter objects, stuff like that, it's probably fine. heavier shit would probably need a van or small truck and you can just rent those or pay someone to do it for you if you really need to

No, the redditor I was referring to literally said we only needed trains and cargo bikes.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

No, the redditor I was referring to literally said we only needed trains and cargo bikes.

> retard gets their retarded theory implemented
> cargo bikes have a lower horsepower/ton than vans (I wonder why)
> end up replacing 1 van with 4-6 cargo bikes
> safe distances is required between the cargo bikes
> the cargo bikes end up requiring more space than the van
> end up needing dedicated infrastructure for transporting goods, and peoples' personal transport
> flat, hard, paved surfaces divided into strips seem to be a very viable solution for this
> need some system to manage the numbers of people and goods moving
> ???
> "Comrade, we only require an additional strip!!!"

 

[teriyakiburns]

No, the redditor I was referring to literally said we only needed trains and cargo bikes.

Checkmate, redditors

 

[WelperHelper99]

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Checkmate, redditors

Lol. For my welding, I'm looking at this old F550, 1960's, just because it can carry so much, even though it's top speed is 55mph. Carrying capacity is a important thing depending on the job and what you're looking to do. Cargo bikes are good for practically nothing. Let's see it tow something over a ton much less carry it

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Lol. For my welding, I'm looking at this old F550, 1960's, just because it can carry so much, even though it's top speed is 55mph. Carrying capacity is a important thing depending on the job and what you're looking to do. Cargo bikes are good for practically nothing. Let's see it tow something over a ton much less carry it

cargo bikes done well could have their place; limited to be sure. One use case would be the poor postman who has to walk from door to door, a cargo bike could let him carry more but I doubt it would be able to entirely replace the little postal vans they have.

The main thing they're autistically trying to argue against is the stereotypical commuter driving an F150, but they're doing it in the most autistic way possible, and it's hilarious.

A much more sane argument would be that the increased costs associated with an F150 over a commuting vehicle are such as to easily pay for delivery from Home Depot and/or rentals when needed. It's likely true in some case (not WelderHelper's for sure, but many people who buy those crew cab trucks to drive kids to school only use the pickup bed once a week at most).

What they then miss out on is that vehicles are insanely cheap for what they are. For the cost of 36 iPhones you can get an entire car or truck or minivan, that's nuts. So much work and materials goes into those things, and they almost perfectly work for a decade with very little maintenance, wow. So it often becomes worth it just from hassle to buy a pickup as a second vehicle. And if you have it as a second, you use it, and if you start needing a commuter because the car is being used for whatever, you drive the truck instead of buying a third.

If they really wanted to reduce vehicle size, just change the tax laws to make small hybrid/electric cars effectively tax free, so they're cheaper. I'd pick one up; hell, if I could get the Pius Prime for some reasonable cost, I'd use it just to fart around locally.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Turns out Holland loves roads. What shock.

 

[WelperHelper99]

much more sane argument would be that the increased costs associated with an F150 over a commuting vehicle are such as to easily pay for delivery from Home Depot and/or rentals when needed. It's likely true in some case (not WelderHelper's for sure, but many people who buy those crew cab trucks to drive kids to school only use the pickup bed once a week at most).

What they then miss out on is that vehicles are insanely cheap for what they are. For the cost of 36 iPhones you can get an entire car or truck or minivan, that's nuts. So much work and materials goes into those things, and they almost perfectly work for a decade with very little maintenance, wow. So it often becomes worth it just from hassle to buy a pickup as a second vehicle. And if you have it as a second, you use it, and if you start needing a commuter because the car is being used for whatever, you drive the truck instead of buying a third.

Cost is a massive consideration. Why I'm even thinking on that old 1960 something F-550 at all- it's old, meaning I can haggle down for what today effectively amounts to a slow F-350. Even then, if you just go for a normal four door F150, hell yeah you're using that for everything, because that is pretty multi purpose, can carry the kids around along with anything normal in the bed. Gas will cost more, but you're paying for performance, and more importantly, maintenence on ONE vehicle, not a fucking fleet.

 

[quaawaa]

Turns out Holland loves roads. What shock.

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[quaawaa]

r/suburbanhell retard bikes along the highway and complains that there are no sidewalks:






Someone says that bicyclists should pay for their own infrastructure if they want dedicated trails and gets downvoted:

The road in the picture, while free to use, is 100% paid for by tolls as it's part of the Dallas North Tollway. Urbanists' complete lack of understanding of how infrastructure is funded never fails to make me laugh.

Google Maps of his exact location.

Now, this isn't as stupid as it sounds because he's actually on the frontage road, not the highway, and frontage roads are meant for local traffic. He is going the wrong way though.

In Texas, sidewalks are only built on developed property, and he is riding next to an empty lot:

The next block has sidewalks because it's been developed:


I'm not going to lie and say that Texan cities are "bike friendly", but if you're willing to ride on the sidewalks (and yield to the rare pedestrian) and take back roads they're actually reasonably bikeable if you can bear the heat. They also have extensive trail systems for recreational riding, but that's irrevalant as anti-car people hate normal cyclists.

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[Osama Bin Laden]

i'm starting to understand why null uses bing for google because i had to google 3 different ways on if riding a bike on a freeway is illegal but google kept telling me "yeah, bikes are allowed on roads". that's not what im asking.

anyway, bing yet again saves the day.

"Bicycles are prohibited on expressways, even though they are legally defined as a vehicle and have all of the privileges, rights and responsibilities on public roads as a motor vehicle123. Each state enforces their own regulations because there is no federal law prohibiting riding a bicycle on a freeway1."

hey retards, this might be a weird thought to have but have you guys ever thought that maybe... just maybe. an expressway that's made for cars wouldn't allow people walking or biking because shit can happen? and if you faggots want bike lanes on highways so bad, then go fucking pay for it. the government def isn't and im sure as hell no taxpayer wants to have even more of their dabloons taken because a bunch of soy filled liberal reddit faggots want to be able to ride their mountain bikes on the I-45

 

[Gottahavemysips]

Now that these types have been around for some time, I've started to see public opinion beginning to turn on them. Before, it was mostly eye rolling, and a lot of the more batshit insane things they were promoting could be easily handwaved away as barely any of them actually believe that. I'm sure there are still some people in this movement who actually are trying to promote real solutions, but the point to distance themselves from the true believer retards has probably already passed. Hell, this whole thing is pretty much a rerun of r/antiwork. The movement gained in popularity when regular people with legitimate gripes began promoting it, and then utopian activists began hijacking that population to promote their own retarded ideas that are naturally repellent to anybody who isn't indoctrinated into an environment where only griping is fostered, without any sensible solutions. Now they've actually hit a critical mass, and the unindoctrinated masses are finally looking at what they were saying (or at least, wanted to say) the entire time. They are seeing people who promote solutions that are all but guaranteed to bring abject misery to most people. They see people who want to force everybody to use public transportation, all the while instantly banning anybody who discusses current issues that have led to public transportation disuse in the US.
Utopianism is a madman's game. The urbanists are no different than any other group throughout history. They even have a core of people who believe they will the new upper crust of society. Somebody mentioned earlier in the thread about the crossover posters between r/fuckcars and r/cars. They unironically believe they will bethe only ones allowed to retain their cars as they are the only ones who know how to use them "right".
They've flown dangerously close to the sun. They still have a relatively sane outer circle, who can point out the gripes and possibly induct new people into this bullshit. However, just like anti work, they are one bad interview with a true believer away from becoming social poison. Their smug YouTuber leaders have very much insulated themselves from any kind of contact with anybody who disagrees, but eventually they'll have to answer to it or lose face. By this time next year, their popularity will have cratered, just like antiwork. Welcome to the echo chamber, urbanists, your own Kool aid must taste great!

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

hey retards, this might be a weird thought to have but have you guys ever thought that maybe... just maybe. an expressway that's made for cars wouldn't allow people walking or biking because shit can happen? and if you faggots want bike lanes on highways so bad, then go fucking pay for it. the government def isn't and im sure as hell no taxpayer wants to have even more of their dabloons taken because a bunch of soy filled liberal reddit faggots want to be able to ride their mountain bikes on the I-45

I've actually seen some places where there are "bikes permitted on freeway next X miles" usually because it's the only bridge and it's out in some middle of nowhere, so it does exist, but it's quite rare

anyone who's actually ridden a bike wouldn't want to ride on the damn freeway anyway holy shit

 

[A Random Lurker]

r/suburbanhell retard bikes along the highway and complains that there are no sidewalks:

Not sure why he's pissing me off but this faggot is so disingenuous, he's not commuting or traveling he's mountain biking for fun and riding a connector trail back to the parking lot. Not sure what exact model but it's probably a expensive bike he's towing around in a car cuz you don't ride those bikes for distance. He's got disk brakes, a nice big air fork, and probably full suspension frame and that shit doesn't come for less than $2,000. I think he probably paid $2,500-$3,200 based of how he doesn't have a front chain ring (more common on mid to higher bikes) but also doesn't have a dropper post which would be included with most of the mid to high end ones when buying new.

Though I could be wrong and he might be loaded since looking around his reddit profile he's got enough to be able to look at Harvard, the University of Pennsylvania, or going abroad (with his mountain bike) for college. Also claims to have a company valued at $2 million and getting a $700k investment in the company soon at the same time asking reddit to help with his stutter.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

i'm starting to understand why null uses bing for google because i had to google 3 different ways on if riding a bike on a freeway is illegal but google kept telling me "yeah, bikes are allowed on roads". that's not what im asking.

anyway, bing yet again saves the day.

"Bicycles are prohibited on expressways, even though they are legally defined as a vehicle and have all of the privileges, rights and responsibilities on public roads as a motor vehicle123. Each state enforces their own regulations because there is no federal law prohibiting riding a bicycle on a freeway1."

hey retards, this might be a weird thought to have but have you guys ever thought that maybe... just maybe. an expressway that's made for cars wouldn't allow people walking or biking because shit can happen? and if you faggots want bike lanes on highways so bad, then go fucking pay for it. the government def isn't and im sure as hell no taxpayer wants to have even more of their dabloons taken because a bunch of soy filled liberal reddit faggots want to be able to ride their mountain bikes on the I-45

Most rural highways (without exits/entrances, the bane of would-be cyclists) usually have a big shoulder, with a "Share the Road" sign. Naturally, cycloids don't use this because it's not in the city, and not realizing "sharing" goes both ways.

The only legitimate issues on a highway like that is the occasional narrow bridge without shoulders.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

So it often becomes worth it just from hassle to buy a pickup as a second vehicle. And if you have it as a second, you use it, and if you start needing a commuter because the car is being used for whatever, you drive the truck instead of buying a third.

The thing that annoys me the most is how they treat it all or nothing. My family has a truck and a commuter. While my dad would take the truck for work reasons. If it is a nice day and he doesn't need the cargo area then he would just take a bike to work. People like options and a lot more people would be on board with expanding non-car infrastructure with them if they were actually pro-bike instead of religiously anti-car.

 

[Flamin Park]

If these Redditors actually owned cars you know they would be the types of cars you see where they are clearly not taken care of because the owner is too lazy. It would be poorly running because they refuse to do regular maintenance, covered in filth from not being washed, and filled with McDonalds trash bags and bugs. The same Redditors would complain that women don't like them because they don't have the latest car when in reality it's because the car they do have is disgusting from not being taken care of. I can only imagine what the basements that Fuckcars users post from look like...

This is defamation and you will be hearing from my lawyer

I DO NOT use reddit!

 

[Dr. Funk]

If they really wanted to reduce vehicle size, just change the tax laws to make small hybrid/electric cars effectively tax free, so they're cheaper. I'd pick one up; hell, if I could get the Pius Prime for some reasonable cost, I'd use it just to fart around locally.

There really are so many potential options for diversifying how we transport ourselves in ways that make sense both economically and environmentally. Problem with these people is that you can't see them if you're stuck in the autistic mindset of NO CARS ALLOWED!!!1! I always did like the look of those mini trucks that are popular in Japan. I think smaller city cars and utility vehicles like that would be quite useful but they're hard to find in western countries, I do think some of it is due to the constant "bigger is better marketing". Or just compact cars in general. Vehicles like that could also be electrified relatively easily and range isn't as big a concern for the niche they fill. If sodium-ion batteriy technology pans out they could also be made very cheap. From what I've read, those things are half the cost of Lithium-ion at the expense of some range, like 10-25 % less. so the market of budget EVs is the perfect market segment for that technology to prove itself, and improve their capacity if it is possible and profitable to do so.

With my sympathy to some of the stated values these types of people have (if not what they actually seem to believe based on their actions) I find it sometimes pisses them off even more. They constantly snark about some stereotype of a suburbanite driving a massive uneccecary gas guzzling SUV or pickup truck, but they REALLY rage when you express appreciation for public transit, electrification, increasing availability of smaller vehicles and bikes, but completely refuse to cross the line into zealotry and join them. No nuance allowed, only redditor autism and rage. It's pretty funny.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I've seen people using things like this: https://golftrucks.com/custom-utility-truck-models on the road (though it's technically often illegal depending on local laws, etc).

Just normalize that and you save a bunch.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

This is kind-of related to anti-car autism, but is there a reason why the same types are also hell-bent on electrifying rail lines?

I've seen people using things like this: https://golftrucks.com/custom-utility-truck-models on the road (though it's technically often illegal depending on local laws, etc).

Just normalize that and you save a bunch.

Wouldn't work. Remember, cyclists are incredibly jealous and petty. Despite every road gaining bicycle lanes, either by new construction or removing lanes/parking, they cry about if a particularly badly-designed section is reverted. You know the whole, "You don't need a car, see this UPS cargo bicycle?" cope? In reality, they get pissed if something like that is in the cycle lane.

A hybrid golf cart/bicycle lane would all cause sorts of "that's not REAL cycling infrastructure" malding.

 

[Markass the Worst]

This is kind-of related to anti-car autism, but is there a reason why the same types are also hell-bent on electrifying rail lines?

If I had to guess, just general climate sperging because it's bad if trains produce emissions too.