Magic The Gathering

It's actually kind of unfortunate, it's clear that some of these cards are made by people that really DO give a shit about the property and are flavorful and probably well designed in the context of a limited set of magic cards.
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Like holy shit is this card going hard on flavor.

But it doesn't really matter because the art staff fags involved have dedicated themselves to muh diversity, and the management at wizards is legitimately retarded and learned nothing from the recent amazon series bombing. I haven't yet seen anything other then reprints that strikes me as a modern super staple* and I don't see any of this appealing to non-magic fags (even though that's the entire point of Universes Beyond) so I still have hope it fucking bombs.

*- well there is yet another coco able card that goes infinite with scurry oak but it's uncommon and I don't know that that deck was being held back by a lack of non-scurry oak pieces to start the combo.
 
Meanwhile, I can't say I've spent more than a second thinking about this set and I'll buy a handful of the singles for the quarter or so they're going to go for because an enormous chunk of people complaining about forced diversity nevertheless will shell out hundreds on the product going after the chase cards... alongside all of the other hopelessly addicted consoomers who are definitely, totally, absolutely gonna go pro this time.

Really, I do agree that they're simply pushing out too much product and their overemphasis on commander is actively harming design -- and that their art direction, even if you don't give a shit about brown tones on the cards, sucks absolute balls - but, but. There's never been a better time to be a budget player. I still find myself combing through last year's Baldur's Gate, finding an awesome card, and it's a dime. The game is so, so much better if you disconnect from everything surrounding it, which might reasonably have you conclude that it's going to implode any minute now.
 
because an enormous chunk of people complaining about forced diversity nevertheless will shell out hundreds on the product going after the chase cards... alongside all of the other hopelessly addicted consoomers who are definitely, totally, absolutely gonna go pro this time.
I literally have 3 LotR card games. (ICE, Decipher, and FFG) I've already sworn not to buy any from WotC and so far of the ones I've found complaining weren't playing magic in the first place. So it's literally no effort for them to just keep not buying any.

WotC is probably go to learn the same lesson every other swapper has learned - the core fans you MIGHT have attracted (but then didn't because you fanbaited them) are not going to show up and the SJW fans who you made swoon on social media are... not going to buy nearly enough to make up for your effort.

There's never been a better time to be a budget player. I still find myself combing through last year's Baldur's Gate, finding an awesome card, and it's a dime. The game is so, so much better if you disconnect from everything surrounding it, which might reasonably have you conclude that it's going to implode any minute now.
Depending on the cards, but true that. I did pick up a box of both commander's legends and am waiting for a night for us to do some drafts.
 
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I literally have 3 LotR card games. (ICE, Decipher, and FFG) I've already sworn not to buy any from WotC and so far of the ones I've found complaining weren't playing magic in the first place. So it's literally no effort for them to just keep not buying any.

WotC is probably go to learn the same lesson every other swapper has learned - the core fans you MIGHT have attracted (but then didn't because you fanbaited them) are not going to show up and the SJW fans who you made swoon on social media are... not going to buy nearly enough to make up for your effort.
Right, and the cost of those three card games versus the cost of a single Collector's box of this set? That's what I'm digging at. Most people are not going to care and are just going to buy this shit because they're consoomers.

If the quality of draft formats slackening, if the quality of art slackening, if the quality of card design slackening - if basically everything about the game is on a downward trend yet its sales continue to skyrocket as it can't shovel whale-bait fast enough... why, then, would some inconsistent race-swapping on one of the most popular IPs of all time dent it? Lots of people are going to say that they're boycotting and then buy it anyways. This happens with every 'boycott' under the sun. Sure, some people leave, but it's never as much as say they will - and not enough to offset the advantages of getting licensed IP.

Me, I'm in the camp of looking at the UW Pippin and loving it. Sidegrade mother/giver of runes with a good creature type? Hell yeah, I'm gonna love that this card will be .10-.25. Boromir's also two relevant creature types and selfless-spirit meets Lavinia2? Man's gonna be like a buck - that's what I'm here for. Meanwhile the whales will shell out thousands to get their shiny Sarumans and Saurons and just toss everything else aside into a pile.
Depending on the cards, but true that. I did pick up a box of both commander's legends and am waiting for a night for us to do some drafts.
Be sure to check some of the prices on cards you think are crazy good - because they may have shot right up. Those sets are both bangers, with Baldur's Gate's big hangup being that it had a higher price point and a bunch of fucking retarded NEET parasites online decried it as a terrible set. Two weeks ago (idk now) it had a higher EV opened than sealed after nearly a year of the opposite, so the market started flooding as people cracked their shit.

So far as drafting it goes, I really prefer the CL2 format to the CL1 one, but they're both really, really solid. I think the whole 'draft a commander deck' is a good-enough idea, just one you can't do every week because it takes so long. Oh, and planeswalker Minsk is fucking insane.
 
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Right, and the cost of those three card games versus the cost of a single Collector's box of this set? That's what I'm digging at. Most people are not going to care and are just going to buy this shit because they're consoomers.
Actually it can vary. I noticed an uptick in cost for some of the older sets of late and I wondered if the MTG LOTR was causing a spike in even other games. (like once I found a stack of 60+ICE cards at a store for like a dollar - then the other day it was roughly the same amount for $20) FFG just recently started doing a rerelease of their LCG version too with new starters and all - I think a lot of that can be bought and still be less than a stupid collectors box.

why, then, would some inconsistent race-swapping on one of the most popular IPs of all time dent it? Lots of people are going to say that they're boycotting and then buy it anyways. This happens with every 'boycott' under the sun.
Tell that to Bud Light.

I'll be curious to watch because I know several who were annoyed about the Pinkertons thing. (and yes I literally just watched a video about the twitter threads on all those willing to forgive the Pinkerton fiasco because of blackagorn)

I don't think they got much love from aftermath either. After 30th and now these others, are we sure sales are continuing to skyrocket?

Meanwhile the whales will shell out thousands to get their shiny Sarumans and Saurons and just toss everything else aside into a pile.
No joke, I was playing in the MOM prerelease (my buddies were just hanging around) and we found a pile of foils left behind by (we think) a group that had opened a collector's box and done a mass sort of money cards vs not. Well apparently they messed up and stuck a Jin-Gitaxis in the pile. My buddy who wanted to build a phyrexian deck was thrilled to take it.

Anyway it's starting to give me flashbacks to the 90s comic book crash. Things may seem like they're going up because of the whales and speculators but that just means the fall when the bubble pops is going to be so much worse. (I feel for the shops around here. We've already had like... 4 or 5 in this sizeable city close this year.)

Be sure to check some of the prices on cards you think are crazy good - because they may have shot right up. Those sets are both bangers, with Baldur's Gate's big hangup being that it had a higher price point and a bunch of fucking retarded NEET parasites online decried it as a terrible set. Two weeks ago (idk now) it had a higher EV opened than sealed after nearly a year of the opposite, so the market started flooding as people cracked their shit.

So far as drafting it goes, I really prefer the CL2 format to the CL1 one, but they're both really, really solid. I think the whole 'draft a commander deck' is a good-enough idea, just one you can't do every week because it takes so long. Oh, and planeswalker Minsk is fucking insane.
Yeah there's several singles I've held off on because I dunno if they're in either box. I was just happy to get both ~$80-90. I did enough of both to know the value cards. (one pal got like... 3 packs only of CL1 and pulled a jeweled lotus) I was having that luck with just CL2 buying random packs here and there. Got the mythic copper and silver dragon both and I wasn't even planning on them being in my rainbow Ur-Dragon deck. (gods I love CLBD for how much dragon creatures it gave out on the curve. Scaled Nurturer is BAE.)
 
Boromir's also two relevant creature types and selfless-spirit meets Lavinia2? Man's gonna be like a buck - that's what I'm here for.
While I'm doubtful that it will translate to modern I know historic fags are excited about Boromir, he can sacrifice himself to give the board indestructible and create a non-legendary copy of himself an infinite number of times with Ratadrabik out (so long as you put the ring bearer trigger on him turning him legendary again) allowing you to be a menace until you find a blood artist effect to close out the game.
 
EDIT: "Bombadil Rescues the Hobbits" is something only superfans know??!?!?!?!
because you define superfans as a fan, not a corporation.

when a corporation talks about "superfans", they're talking about retarded shill influencers getting paid:

Right, and the cost of those three card games versus the cost of a single Collector's box of this set? That's what I'm digging at. Most people are not going to care and are just going to buy this shit because they're consoomers.

If the quality of draft formats slackening, if the quality of art slackening, if the quality of card design slackening - if basically everything about the game is on a downward trend yet its sales continue to skyrocket as it can't shovel whale-bait fast enough... why, then, would some inconsistent race-swapping on one of the most popular IPs of all time dent it? Lots of people are going to say that they're boycotting and then buy it anyways. This happens with every 'boycott' under the sun. Sure, some people leave, but it's never as much as say they will - and not enough to offset the advantages of getting licensed IP.
dunno, acquaintance of mine said he had a 1000+ bucks purchase lined up and canceled all of it and is now washing his hands clean of wotc (better late than never I guess).
another thing you're forgetting is that wotc doesn't want you to buy last year's cards for a buck, that's last year's money. they want you to buy the shiny new thing at full price, and then again next later this year.

you're right that consoomers gonna consoom, till they don't. the issue is that companies actively after go whales and big spenders since they're the most bang for the buck, but this also means once a single whale leaves it has a much bigger impact.
this is the exact same repeat of things people said about star wars after last jedi, an IP that was much bigger than magic. it would also count for the 30th anniversary stuff since it's a) magic and b) limited, so retards should be all over this, but we know how that went.
all it does is slowly erode your customer base, since it's still a game played by and with others. once they give you shit for it or it's not "cool" enough this also deters a lot of the casual players. it's similar to how people won't give a shit about a beer can with a troon on it, but getting called a fag for drinking the tranny juice by a buddy hits much closer to home.

besides, I'd assume people who actually care about the game by now looked for alternatives to buy or simply proxy that shit.

EDIT: another thing is that WOTC probably still riding high on that covid spike which distorted everything, outside of that the simple quantity of shit they put out also effects the bottom line, but that doesn't mean it's good or a long-term strategy, especially with a recession/maybe depression coming up and people simply burn out - they won't save that money for the good stuff, they'll just stop consooming and divert their money somewhere else (if at all depending on the situation).
 
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I think a lot of that can be bought and still be less than a stupid collectors box.
I would assume you could straight-up buy a switch for the price of a collector's box once it settles - Rudy seems to think it might go over $400 per, even if it's unsustainable. Nevertheless I personally fucking love those things, because so many retarded whales crack them and it results in a ton of supply for cheap, nifty little cards.
Tell that to Bud Light.
I did, back in the thread that was featured. I forget its name though and can't be assed to find it - so here, just click on the 'All' feature. Or use your stock-price-tracker of choice: AB InBev has been sliding down steadily since 2016. The fiasco slightly dampened their stock price in modern memory, but the nadir of this current slump isn't even as low as it was in 2020. Which, yes, that slump is because bars and restaurants were closed - but people were still buying the stuff privately, and alcohol consumption on the whole over the pandemic did spike in that year. And if you check within the last month, the stock's already creeping right back up. You can look at Nike's and Keurig's stocks and see much the same. Keurig's is a little odd because it has a massive slump from a merger, but around when the 'boycott' of it it hit, it didn't do anything.

And even then, what AB InBev did pissed off the prime demographic who drinks budweiser. What Wizards is doing here is pissing off one small sect of people who have sworn, up and down, that they're gonna quit the game since they keep printing KWEENZ like Samut but are still, apparently, here. Forgive me if I don't think the fifth time's the charm.
I don't think they got much love from aftermath either. After 30th and now these others, are we sure sales are continuing to skyrocket?
Aftermath was a funny little flop (though the price on singles will probably spike due to low opening), the pinkertons got them hate, the 30th got them hate - none of it really matters. I know only from talking to my local shop-owner guy and watching stuff from Rudy and so on about the market. Of course, Rudy wants to pump things - but he's not so much hyping a specific product when he says the market in general is burning hot. I know the local place basically sold out of set boosters for MoM in a week.

I see a bunch of people getting into the game, who spend a little here and there thanks to the ease-of-access that is casual commander. The doom and gloom shit is just cope, even if the company is genuinely doing a lot of retarded shit and nevertheless idiot-savanting its way to stability. The set's going to release fine, going to be a big hit, a bunch of people are going to spend entirely too much on it - the normal state of things. Blackagorn will get laughed at and alter artists will make a pretty penny offering to brighten him up.
Things may seem like they're going up because of the whales and speculators but that just means the fall when the bubble pops is going to be so much worse. (I feel for the shops around here. We've already had like... 4 or 5 in this sizeable city close this year.)
Yes and no. For Wizards, the only issue is if they overprint a shitton of product and then have to destroy it and eat the losses. If we recall the guy finding cards burned up in a landfill, that's probably happened to some degree. But if you remember, some of those cards were LOTR stuff - and rumors have come down the pipeline about reduced print supplies for things like MoM or Aftermath. If wizards increases the volume of different products, but lowers the supplies of those products, it has a steady meal ticket.

As to shops closing, that's way more because we've gone from 0->5% interest rate in the last few years as a means to curb inflation. The heightened interest rates make getting favorable business loans far more difficult, and the effect they have on those loans is immediate while their effect on lowering inflation takes some time. Meaning the stupid cards still cost a lot for the store to hold onto, the increased cost of boosters being passed onto customers will dampen sales, customers generally trying to spend less dampens sales, and short-term business loans which can mollify a lot of those concerns are in and of themselves more expensive. It's not a good time to be in any small business, really.
he can sacrifice himself to give the board indestructible and create a non-legendary copy of himself an infinite number of times with Ratadrabik out (so long as you put the ring bearer trigger on him turning him legendary again)
Oh, yeah, I guess it does work. I thought the ring-bearer targeted, but since it does say 'choose,' you'll have the copy of Boromir around by the time that resolves. I still don't see it creeping up to more than a dollar, at least in that prime-time month right after release.
another thing you're forgetting is that wotc doesn't want you to buy last year's cards for a buck, that's last year's money. they want you to buy the shiny new thing at full price, and then again next later this year.
Oh, yeah, WOTC wants that - and I leave that up to the consoomers. Every now and then I'll buy one of the precon commander decks if the value's OK enough, mostly because the new set came with planechase shit and those cards individually are like $3. But otherwise, I'll just grab singles in absurdly large batches while only spending 30-50 or so, with a luxury buy here and there. I held on Dark Confidant for years and years and he finally went down to around $13, so that was an easy snap.
another thing is that WOTC probably still riding high on that covid spike which distorted everything, outside of that the simple quantity of shit they put out also effects the bottom line, but that doesn't mean it's good or a long-term strategy, especially with a recession/maybe depression coming up and people simply burn out
If the rumors of them seriously cutting print runs are true, I think that marks a shift away from their stupid overconfidence. But it was absolutely the case that for all of 2022, they were expecting windfall after windfall because they didn't want to believe that people would be retarded enough to, during a pandemic, spend their Trump and Biden bucks on cardboard. Naturally it was a miscalculation - half of the population was fine financially during the pandemic, and nevertheless was given a bunch of money to spend on whatever. So when Wizards just assumed that printing like 7x the product would mean 7x the result, I think summer of 2022 fell below their bloated expectations.

Though with the rumored price-point of Commander Masters, I have to wonder if they aren't aiming to both reduce product supply but also jack up the individual prices to try to make up shortfalls, which seems like it'd be a bad idea. But then, I dunno, maybe there is more milk to be extracted from the whales.
 
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Oh, yeah, I guess it does work. I thought the ring-bearer targeted, but since it does say 'choose,' you'll have the copy of Boromir around by the time that resolves. I still don't see it creeping up to more than a dollar, at least in that prime-time month right after release.
Well, at 3 cmc he's still (barely) in the conversation for humans in modern. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in the sideboard to shit on rhinos just too bad he isn't pushed enough in toughness to dodge a lightning bolt. Seems like it kind of hinges on how incidentally relevant the first two parts of "the ring tempts you" are, assuming this mechanic doesn't just pull an initiative or monarch in modern.
 
It's actually kind of unfortunate, it's clear that some of these cards are made by people that really DO give a shit about the property and are flavorful and probably well designed in the context of a limited set of magic cards.
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Like holy shit is this card going hard on flavor.
That's near perfect flavour, love it. Adding Menace to her as a keyword is also clearly just leaning into the character.
 
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Well, at 3 cmc he's still (barely) in the conversation for humans in modern. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in the sideboard to shit on rhinos just too bad he isn't pushed enough in toughness to dodge a lightning bolt.
Ehh, definitely depends on the meta. Aunt Jemima hates on the GY in exchange for the Lavinia2 effect, and has hexproof instead of the ring tempt component of the sac. Her being 2 mana probably edges out Boromir, even if she only affects humans - that 3drop slot is crowded between Adeline and Mantis Rider, imo. But honestly, shutting down the MH2 invoke cocksuckers might be a meaningful edge.

That said, in EDH land, it means that humans are gonna have 3 of this effect with Selfless Glyphweaver, colors allowing. (Well, 4 if you count Lena, Selfless Champion, but eh.)
 
You know if it doesn't matter how Aragorn looks, I'm making my own...
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Let's play this game.

EDIT: Cursed version. I will not be stopped!
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I'd congratulate you for not using Hitler but in current year plenty idiots hate Tump more.
I am also now wondering if any of the AI presidents stuff are running a Lord of the Rings campaign stuff with it and who the various political figures would be from the series.
 
I'd congratulate you for not using Hitler but in current year plenty idiots hate Tump more.
That's the joke. ;)

I am also now wondering if any of the AI presidents stuff are running a Lord of the Rings campaign stuff with it and who the various political figures would be from the series.
Not yet that I can see on youtube. One of the MTG players has an arc thing going on. Apparently they have busted Trump out of prison and now are starting a tournament arc.
 
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Let's not further the apocalypse even more that is being now.
Private Eye confirmed recently that at least one of the ones being worked on got the Farms included as part of the training. There's always a chance an AI overlord is going to be willing to let us continue shit posting in peace which is a far cry from what a lot of leaders of the allegedly free world would prefer.
 
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