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This is kind-of related to anti-car autism, but is there a reason why the same types are also hell-bent on electrifying rail lines?



Wouldn't work. Remember, cyclists are incredibly jealous and petty. Despite every road gaining bicycle lanes, either by new construction or removing lanes/parking, they cry about if a particularly badly-designed section is reverted. You know the whole, "You don't need a car, see this UPS cargo bicycle?" cope? In reality, they get pissed if something like that is in the cycle lane.

A hybrid golf cart/bicycle lane would all cause sorts of "that's not REAL cycling infrastructure" malding.
You're right.

This is a picture of a city with better bike infrastructure than Amsterdam:
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There isn't a single bike lane in the entire city. All those trails are completely separate from the car road network and one can go anywhere in the city on them.

Urbanists should love this city, right?

Wrong:
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Oddly, Jason himself wants to drive small cars down the paths:
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They dislike this city because it is full of single family homes and strip malls instead of mixed-use apartment blocks. They also dislike it because residents choose to ride golf carts instead of bikes and use cars instead of transit for long distance travel.

The city is Peachtree City, GA which is an exurb of Atlanta and the comments are from Tom Scott's video about it:
 
Oddly, Jason himself wants to drive small cars down the paths:
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"Electric microcar" is such cope. You just described a golf cart, Jason. Maybe urbanists just hate golf because it's in a large, open outdoor area and they don't want to be reminded nature exists.
 
I dont fucking get it. Why the support for golf carts, and even tiny cars in the case of Jason in the post above? Arent they basically cars in that they require relatively large parking space, still emit carbon due to the way electricity is generated and so on, require what's basically a road, etc etc
"Electric microcar" is such cope. You just described a golf cart, Jason. Maybe urbanists just hate golf because it's in a large, open outdoor area and they don't want to be reminded nature exists.
Alright. Time to slippery slope argument this shit.

Golf carts are fine. So what about fully enclosed electric microcars? Wouldnt they be more comfortable, say, in winter, for minimal externalities? So a car from Smart should be Ok, right?
Now what defines an electric microcar? Would it be so bad if it was 6 inches longer? Would it not be more economical to have a bigger car which can fit 3 people instead of using 2 microcars which can fit only 2? It could let people have more space for their shit. So a Tesla should be Ok, right?
And if someone needed to carry a big box of tools for their job? Wouldnt it be nice if you had a really big car for that?
Now what if we powered it with petrol but it was very fuel efficient and had technology to make it emit less smoke, like a catalytic converter? So a Prius should be Ok, right?
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and so on until he endorses ford f150
 
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My friends, I've recently came across this video and this youtube channel. He seems to be a singaporean trying to be a copy of Adam Something. I've selected some of his points and have listed my responses to them (many of them from the perspective of someone who HAS lived it) For context: "MRT" basically refers to singapore's metro system
section 1
> how this town made cycling attractive
> only 3% of trips done by bike
> thrice the national average
Implying the national average is 1%. And 3% doesnt seem very attractive to me, lol.

section 2
> cycling paths separate from motor traffic
These "cycling paths" are nothing more than painted lines on a pavement. Everybody ignores them. And they're basically the hated sharrows for pedestrians. Nobody wants to share their space with a cyclist. Funny enough, he himself admits theyre crappy

section 3
> there are activities everywhere!!!
Yeah. so does everywhere else in singapore.

section 4
> it's faster than driving
Doesnt account for movement speed, and only accounts for number of stops you're forced to take. Also doesnt account for congestion along the bike path, which for reasons I have mentioned earlier, we have reasons to expect is non-zero. And this is in a scenario where infrastructure is, by his admission, HEAVILY RIGGED in favor of bikes

> the route is beautiful, you see low rise flats, etc
> it's also much more enjoyable than driving
... and it's full of pedestrians on your path. And drivers would also see those sights. But you know what part of this delightful experience a driver would not get? 32 degree weather. LOL!

section 5
> Some people think that cycling cannot be done, because one will be drenched in sweat after traveling long distances, and that's true !
It's also true for short distances, fool. Singapore is HUMID.

> "Given that the furthest residential block from the central station is just 2km away, bicycle trips are usually under 10 minutes each way ,  which happens to be within Singaporeans' preferred duration for cycling trips."
Short = good, that is all. And another thing, who the hell is coming up with these surveys? I was unable to find any information on the way the survey was structured, so for all you know the survey was as follows:
WHAT IS YOUR PREFERRED DURATION OF A CYCLING TRIP?
1. under 20 minutes
2. 20-40min
3. 40-60min
4. however long it takes to cycle from North Korea to Norway

> "A bicycle alone cannot replace a car for long distances, but a combination of modes can. Few will be willing to cycle from their home in Tampines to Jurong East everyday, but cycling a short distance to the MRT? Not a problem at all!"
True. But here's the problem: the singaporean metro system is a great success, and has been adopted as a means of transportation by vast numbers of its people. As such:
1. Bike + train only works because nobody else does it. The train capacity isnt enough for everyone to bring their bike.
2. The train capacity isnt even enough to bring your bike in at peak hour. It's barely enough for people standing during peak hour.
3. Buses and trains only allow folding bikes, which runs counter to his cheap "utility bike" of the intro. More cost to the commuter too.

> parking spaces for bikes.
Imagine, if you would, we allowed a restaurant to use the space for a patio...

Section 6
> stop blaming the weather
But what if the weather can reasonably be blamed?
The following chart shows the temperatures for the month of june in singapore and amsterdam for the month of june. The tips of the lines represent record highs and lows, and the upper and lower bounds of the box represent average highs and lows. The Y axis is degrees celcius.
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As you can see, an average singaporean day is somewhere between "retardedly hot" and "record breaking" by amsterdam standards. Shall I discuss humidity?

> "and with morning temperatures hovering at a comfortable 28-30 degrees celsius, sweating isn't an issue at all. Unsurprisingly, this falls within Singaporeans' preferred temperature range when cycling of 29.5–31.5 degrees celsius"
First and foremost: That's about the morning, the coolest part of the day. And that's scraping the ceiling of the """preferred range""". Now let's take a look at the rest of the day:
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Again, who the hell is coming up with these surveys? I was unable to find any information on the way the survey was structured, so for all you know the survey was as follows:

WHAT IS YOUR PREFERRED RANGE OF TEMPERATURES WHEN CYCLING?
1. 27-32 degrees celcius
2. 23-38 degrees celcius
3. 39-44 degrees celcius
4. THE SURFACE OF THE FUCKING SUN

> "you'll get used to the temperature!!! JUST STOP HANGING OUT IN YOUR AIR CONDITIONED BOXES!!!!!!"
This sounds like NJB's gym of life bullshit. And another thing: outdoors, everyone's sweaty, all the time.

He also blames people for using "bikes optimized for speed" at the cost of utility for feeling like the temperature is an issue.

section 7
> just wear everyday clothes
Was not too stupid in my opinion, but considering that you'd be spending more time outdoors, wouldnt it be a good idea to try mitigate it a bit?

section 8
Here he argues that people cycle more in Tampines because it's convenient.

> Because cycling is the quickest and most convenient mode of travel in Tampines (except for car owners), it isn't uncommon to see people making the switch from taking the feeder bus to cycling the last mile on their own.
> A study by NTU proves so, with 28% of people cycling formerly being bus passengers, who have probably discovered that cycling is faster.
Cool. Now tell me what percentage of bus-riders this corresponds to. I have no doubt that cycling may be better than the bus in some cases, but is it fair to say this applies to everyone? By this logic, buying scratch tickets is profitable, and can even replace regular jobs (only if you count the people who won.)

>The next step forward in getting more people to cycle, is to further discourage driving within the town, by taking away car lanes and converting them to bus or bike lanes so that other alternatives become even more attractive.
Folks, I was wondering when the obligatory cars-bad would come in. But let's talk about it. Other alternatives, like the MRT? Like the bus? And this does sound like an inversion of "induced demand" to me. They made infrastructure for bikes so good - but nobody's biking. We just need ONE MORE MEASURE to make biking nicer or ONE MORE MEASURE to make driving worse, BRO!

section 9
> there are other places as hot as singapore, and have cycling (specifically seville)
He doesnt provide evidence of them being major cycling places, and even if they're hotter, singapore is in the tropics. The humidity would kill you.

section 10
> people used to cycle, but then they made stroads, which are bad!!! Nobody wants to cycle on a STROAD!!!
People cycle less because we now have shit like BUSES and the MRT, as alternatives. The most effective way (though unpleasant) to encourage people to cycle is to ban buses and the mrt, and then jack up the tax on petrol, and the COE price by 20x, if not outright banning private cars

He also gets mad at the government for regulating cycling, like banning oversize bikes; large groups of cyclists; and not wearing a helmet. He calls them carbrains and says this is a reason why people don't wanna cycle.
 
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He also gets mad at the government for regulating cycling, like banning oversize bikes; large groups of cyclists; and not wearing a helmet. He calls them carbrains and says this is a reason why people don't wanna cycle.
Now type that all out in singlish, lah, and post it as a comment under his video, lah, itll be funny, lah.
 
"Electric microcar" is such cope. You just described a golf cart, Jason. Maybe urbanists just hate golf because it's in a large, open outdoor area and they don't want to be reminded nature exists.

The first electric cars to be street legal were basically golf carts. The problem is, big trucks still exist because logistically that's the best way to transport most items (we've discussed this in this thread, trains only really work for bulk items that can be quickly loaded/unloaded), and you want SOME protection and visibility when dealing with 18-wheelers on the road.

These smaller vehicles could have a use, like bicycles. Cyclists definitely take and never give...they throw a fit if a road explicitly bans cyclists because "they're" entitled to it, yet get uppity when someone asks to share their toys.
 
I'm honestly all for requiring helmets for minors (kids are idiots), but am perfectly fine with not requiring helmets for adults, because the only person you kill is yourself.

The "muh medical" costs argument moves me not at all, because we're all obese fatasses.
I agree; helmets saved my life as a kid, got hit twice by cars, low speed luckily, and it saved my noggin. While I wouldn't require it for adults, I'd still strongly recommend it
 
The first electric cars to be street legal were basically golf carts. The problem is, big trucks still exist because logistically that's the best way to transport most items (we've discussed this in this thread, trains only really work for bulk items that can be quickly loaded/unloaded), and you want SOME protection and visibility when dealing with 18-wheelers on the road.

These smaller vehicles could have a use, like bicycles. Cyclists definitely take and never give...they throw a fit if a road explicitly bans cyclists because "they're" entitled to it, yet get uppity when someone asks to share their toys.
There's a really obvious and simple solution (so of course it will ne'er be enabled) - just define certain roads as absolutely ONLY for vehicles who cannot go over 15/20/25 miles per hour (pick your poison, I don't know what the proper speed would be, but golf carts seem to go about 15).

Because the dirty secret is that a "bike path" is just a small road by any other name. And if you have roads limited to slow vehicles, you can remove shit-tons of safety equipment from said vehicles, and make them cheaper. And the government says that half of all trips are less than three miles anyway https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicle...lf-all-daily-trips-were-less-three-miles-2021 (a) - so there's no downside to a golf cart compared to car, really.
You did end up here, so I'm not sure if that's entirely accurate.
I also had an incident where I was almost run over as a young cat, perhaps we have a common theme ...
 
There's a really obvious and simple solution (so of course it will ne'er be enabled) - just define certain roads as absolutely ONLY for vehicles who cannot go over 15/20/25 miles per hour (pick your poison, I don't know what the proper speed would be, but golf carts seem to go about 15).

Because the dirty secret is that a "bike path" is just a small road by any other name. And if you have roads limited to slow vehicles, you can remove shit-tons of safety equipment from said vehicles, and make them cheaper. And the government says that half of all trips are less than three miles anyway https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicle...lf-all-daily-trips-were-less-three-miles-2021 (a) - so there's no downside to a golf cart compared to car, really.
If it was only for vehicles, no pedestrians, it could work. A low speed crash at 15 MPH isn't exactly sending people flying. We already kind of have this at places like airports, at least a little bit.
I also had an incident where I was almost run over as a young cat, perhaps we have a common theme ...
At least I'm not alone lol
 
I agree; helmets saved my life as a kid, got hit twice by cars, low speed luckily, and it saved my noggin. While I wouldn't require it for adults, I'd still strongly recommend it
Same I had a bike accident that left a quarter inch (about .5 cm) divet right in the temple gaurd of my helmet, basically if you dont wear a helmet you deserve whatever happens to you.
 
Wildfires pollute the air, cars to blame:
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Bunch of communists whining in the comments despite the post having nothing to do with capitalism:
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This person wears a mask because of the evil cars:
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People who like cars are Nazis:
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How dare they use our talking points against us!
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Centrists don't exist:
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This guy will be singing a different tune when all the businesses within walking distance go out of business because their customers no longer show up:
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We should show them this photo of how horrible the air in Los Angeles is, there's no wildfires in the area this is just from the cars.
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Admittedly it's also from the 1970s.

Here is the beautiful city of Amsterdam and all their clean air.
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Wait, no, that's still Los Angeles... 2019.
 
There's a really obvious and simple solution (so of course it will ne'er be enabled) - just define certain roads as absolutely ONLY for vehicles who cannot go over 15/20/25 miles per hour (pick your poison, I don't know what the proper speed would be, but golf carts seem to go about 15).

Because the dirty secret is that a "bike path" is just a small road by any other name. And if you have roads limited to slow vehicles, you can remove shit-tons of safety equipment from said vehicles, and make them cheaper.

The problem is that any road that's not EXCLUSIVELY for bicycles is not bicycle infrastructure. "Sharrows", fine, take it or leave it though I've never seen them on fast-moving roads, but then they'll bitch about how multi-use paths aren't good because they have to share it with pedestrians.

We should show them this photo of how horrible the air in Los Angeles is, there's no wildfires in the area this is just from the cars.
They won't admit that Los Angeles smog is the way it is partly because of the geography, with the breezes from the sea getting trapped by the mountains around it. This is why smog is so much rarer in Houston because it's all flat and gets blown right off.
 
They won't admit that Los Angeles smog is the way it is partly because of the geography, with the breezes from the sea getting trapped by the mountains around it. This is why smog is so much rarer in Houston because it's all flat and gets blown right off.
Things are always more complicated than just "cars bad"? Shocker!!
 
The problem is that any road that's not EXCLUSIVELY for bicycles is not bicycle infrastructure. "Sharrows", fine, take it or leave it though I've never seen them on fast-moving roads, but then they'll bitch about how multi-use paths aren't good because they have to share it with pedestrians.
oh but you don't understand; I want to see golf carts plow into bicyclists.
 
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