Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Pocket Dragoon]

And now for something completely different; Ukrainian "infiltration team" tactical scooters.

I wonder what the range/endurance these things have, given a soldier with armor, rifle, ammo, etc. I mean ok I can see how they might be handy, but I'd hate to ride them anywhere with abundant potholes, of which Ukraine has many (or witnesses).

 

[Ghostse]

And now for something completely different; Ukrainian "infiltration team" tactical scooters.
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I wonder what the range/endurance these things have, given a soldier with armor, rifle, ammo, etc. I mean ok I can see how they might be handy, but I'd hate to ride them anywhere with abundant potholes, of which Ukraine has many (or witnesses).

I'm going to tl;dr but one of the biggest advantages that Japanese troops in SEA had against the (principally) British opposition was bicycle troops. Very often the bicycle troops were not able to ride their bicycles more than a couple miles at go due to lack of servicable roads, but on trails the ability to put heavy packs on the bikes and pushing them instead of humping them meant that they were able to march further, faster, and arrive in better shape than their opposition.

The main thing you'd get from using those wouldn't be on infiltration, but on exfiltration. By the time they have mortars on the position you'll be long gone.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Japan prior to using bicycles in WWII, made damn sure none of the naval powers could reinforce and build new coastal fortifications on their Pacific processions and colonies during the Washington Naval Treaty negotiations. Singapore got left with a massive gap in her defenses and couple with a yellow belly coward in command, both of which Imperial Japan took advantage of.

 

[Ghostse]

Daily reminder given that the only live sources any photographic evidence from the front are Vatnik agiprop:
Even today, Vatniggers in the other, bad thread consider, the Kharkiv offensive - where Russia lost control of an entire Oblast in 3 days and lost Russia all their controlled territory that bordered Belarus - a brilliantly executed act of strategic genius by Russian forces that crippled the UKA by making it over extend.
(They also say roughly the same about the retreat from Kherson city, but that actually was a strategically sound move)

And while the front was being pushed to Svatove, they were posting about how ACKSHULLY Russian armor was taking Kharkiv using old footage as evidence.

Not saying past performance indicates future results, but something to keep in mind.

Also its literal war with people dying, not some sporting event, so just accept that Ukraine actually maintaining opsec is good. You aren't going to be able to do anything to influence the outcome, so unless you live in Ukraine you knowing how shits going down today or in two weeks isn't going to change the outcome.

Japan prior to using bicycles in WWII, made damn sure none of the naval powers could reinforce and build new coastal fortifications on their Pacific processions and colonies during the Washington Naval Treaty negotiations. Singapore got left with a massive gap in her defenses and couple with a yellow belly coward in command, both of which Imperial Japan took advantage of.

Plus incredible intelligence by infiltration of the local japanese expat community, and by using those of japanese descent as intelligence assets - willing or other wise. Japan's roll up of Indochina was a masterful combination of tactics & diplomacy to curb an unprepared enemy, down to follow up of handing control of large sections of captured territory to an effective puppet regieme to mop up local insurgents.

which gets away from the point of bicycle (or dirtbike in this case) troops being a force multiplier well beyond their cost, especially when in an environment where mechanized forces are either absent or have their ability to maneuver severely limited.

 

[draggs]

Offensive is going fine, vatniggers cope and seethe, globohohols lol calm down

Ukraine built up offensive brigades totaling about 100,000-120,000 men for these offensives, about half of those equipped with the Western tonks and shit, and has thrown maybe a third of those men into the fights so far in Zapo and Bakhmut and is advancing in both

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

So I guess everyone is in agreement that the counteroffensive is indeed a-go? That's what the media is reporting at any rate.

 

[CuzinEd]

Does this picture seem a little, uh, odd to anyone else?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CtRUqi7Me58/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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I watched a Suchomimus video about it and he said the vehicles were following a mine clearing vehicle down that dirt road/path. The vehicle became disabled and the other vehicles tried to go around it and they hit mines. Maybe they got taken out by something else like ATGM's. It's going to happen. The Ukrainians are going to lose units. Even some of the Western vehicles. They aren't invincible. Just better than the Russian stuff.

Also there is apparently video of a Russia Ka-52 taking out some Ukrainian vehicles in a column on a road. It kind of made me wonder why the Ukrainians aren't using some kind of AA defense. Don't they have some Shilka's they can send out?

Offensive is going fine, vatniggers cope and seethe, globohohols lol calm down

Ukraine built up offensive brigades totaling about 100,000-120,000 men for these offensives, about half of those equipped with the Western tonks and shit, and has thrown maybe a third of those men into the fights so far in Zapo and Bakhmut and is advancing in both

As I said the Ukrainians will lose units. They aren't going to do this offensive with 0 casualties and no vehicles destroyed. It's not possible.

Here is a video of Russians retreating from Ukrainian artillery fire. The Russians are running away.

So I guess everyone is in agreement that the counteroffensive is indeed a-go? That's what the media is reporting at any rate.

Peter Zeihan thinks so. I don't take his opinions on US politics that seriously. They are pretty stupid. But his geopolitical stuff is pretty good. Like some of his takes on the war in Ukraine. World financial stuff like the dedollarization so many people go on about.

It might be in it's early stages though and the dam being blown seems to have changed some of the plans.

This channel seems to do accurate reporting on the situation. The Ukrainians are making a lot of moves and taking some ground from the Russians. It's like it's been going on for a few days.

 

[Abowaffen]

Next few days will be rainy. My guess is that the probing was done in anticipation of this upcoming rain. Large scale offense will truely set in to motion Wednesday or Thursday.

 

[Trig.Point]

Never would have happened. The Ukrainians would never agree to it and the British would never let it happen (they were mighty miffed about what happened with Georgia; there is a reason the British government is so pro-Ukraine).

It's not the government that's pro Ukrainian as such, it's the foreign office mandarins and security services. Even then it's less a case of them being pro Ukrainian than them despising Russia.

For the last decade Russia has fucked around internationally, often achieving little positive benefits for themselves other than pissing off other nations who at the time weren't in a position to do anything about it. I'm not just talking about things like the Salisbury Poisonings, or using Polonium in the middle of London to kill Alexander Litvinenko, and then laughing about it on Russian TV.

It's the way they interact diplomatically, as in having a meeting with a Foreign minister then leaking to the media of that nation directly afterwards. Or Putin sending people widely regarded as clowns as ambassadors to first world nations.

Russia also fucks around on international bodies often just for the lols. They've made a game of inflicting small little humiliations on foreign officials. Now those same officials who remember having to eat shit at some international conference are in a position to say "You know those NLAW's sitting in storage that are getting near the end of their shelf life, and will have to be disposed of in a couple of years, why don't we sent them to Ukraine".

Incidentally people are massively overstating the actual monetary value of the weapons being sent to Ukraine. For example the F16's they're talking about sending have been in storage for years, with the Netherlands and Denmark (for various reasons) unable to find a buyer.

Ukraine has gotten a significant amount of financial support including soft loans, however if 10 years from now there's a functioning state (even if it's lost chunks of it's territory) on the EU's borders, that'll be seen as a decent return on investment.

 

[Quindoll]

Russia also fucks around on international bodies often just for the lols. They've made a game of inflicting small little humiliations on foreign officials. Now those same officials who remember having to eat shit at some international conference are in a position to say "You know those NLAW's sitting in storage that are getting near the end of their shelf life, and will have to be disposed of in a couple of years, why don't we sent them to Ukraine".

You know about the clip from Trump towards the Germans in regards to gas that gets posted everytime? Where the Germans thought close economic cooperation would make conflicts less likely and were dead wrong and the laughing stock of the world?

I bet they are seething

 

[Trig.Point]

You know about the clip from Trump towards the Germans in regards to gas that gets posted everytime? Where the Germans thought close economic cooperation would make conflicts less likely and were dead wrong and the laughing stock of the world?

I bet they are seething

Russia had a sweet deal with Germany, a reliable and secure market for their natural gas, and the worlds 4th biggest economy helping sweep up for them on the world stage, and making sure that western retaliation would always be restrained.

Germany has built 5 Liquid Natural Gas terminals since the war started (there are less than 30 in all of Europe). So they'll ship in from the middle east like other countries, they'll never go back to relying on Russian energy, and won't make any investment or supply technical and political support for new infastructure. All those pipeline projects that Putin's cronies were involved in, well they're dead.

Russia is now going to have to eat the cost of building infrastructure to supply non western countries. They'll have to do the deals without using the Dollar or western banking institutions, and they'll be dealing with countries that are as corrupt and unreliable as they are. How's that working out for Venezuela?.

Also all the sanctions busting that Germany was turning a blind eye to, and the supply of western electronics to Russian industry, well that's over. Germany thought prosperous peaceful Russia was what they needed, I think now what they want is a broke dictatorship, that's riddled with internal problems, with an aging dictator that will be happy to just stay in power.

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

So I guess everyone is in agreement that the counteroffensive is indeed a-go? That's what the media is reporting at any rate.

Looks to be confirmed with some initial small successes.
ROLL TIDE!

 

[mindlessobserver]

If you believe the Vatniks the Massive Ukrainian Offensive is already over, and all the Leopards we sent over have been destroyed. TWICE.

In actuality this was just the opening round with lots of probing attacks all along the front to see the shape of Russia's defenses. Ukraine is probably going to be quiet for the next few days, the Vatniks will smug post, and then the real party will start.

 

[Foltest]

btw, notice the state the knockout Leo and Bradley are in.
They are not blown up to hell, there is no bodies around them that I can see etc.
These vehicles are all recoverable and will be.
Lazerpig posted a twatter thread about it with his insight on it:

https://twitter.com/PigLazer/status/1667481217074094081

https://archive.ph/wip/S251J

 

[draggs]

All of a sudden 'Ukraine is out of ammo and has no men' has disappeared

Multiple vatnik telegrams saying the hohol bombardments in Zapo are the biggest they've done in the whole war, and there are at least 9 hohol attack brigades (more armor) with at least another dozen in reserve (more infantry) on that front

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Multiple vatnik telegrams saying the hohol bombardments in Zapo are the biggest they've done in the whole war, and there are at least 9 hohol attack brigades (more armor) with at least another dozen in reserve (more infantry) on that front

Some screenshots of this vatnik panicking would be much appreciated.

btw, notice the state the knockout Leo and Bradley are in.
They are not blown up to hell, there is no bodies around them that I can see etc.
These vehicles are all recoverable and will be.
Lazerpig posted a twatter thread about it with his insight on it:
https://twitter.com/PigLazer/status/1667481217074094081 https://archive.ph/wip/S251J

That's quite clear in this footage from the POV of one of those M2 Bradleys, showing another one hitting a mine, with all of its crew surviving and being able to bail out and head to the Bradley filming instead:

Original(?) footage with sound can be found here, with unfortunately some dumb music track playing over it:

https://rumble.com/v2taia4-bradley-attack.html

Archived:

 

[Scout Trooper]

Some screenshots of this vatnik panicking would be much appreciated.

That's quite clear in this footage from the POV of one of those M2 Bradleys, showing another one hitting a mine, with all of its crew surviving and being able to bail out and head to the Bradley filming instead:

Original(?) footage with sound can be found here, with unfortunately some dumb music track playing over it:

https://rumble.com/v2taia4-bradley-attack.html

Archived:
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All I can think of watching this is the risk assessment for doing this live fire exercise on a range in Yakima and every range safety and OC simultaneously having a heart attack.

Glad they made it out okay. It just goes to show how much all the self-appointed experts like that faggot Denys Davydov are wrong about basically everything.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Looks like they just had their tracks blown off. Which sucks, but is a quick field repair. Breaking track and remounting it sucks donkey dicks though. Only had to do it once and fuck me it was backbreaking, finicky, obnoxious work. Its also something you can't really in the middle of a field where the enemy can shell you, so I expect the Ukrainians will go back with some wreckers, tow the things back to the motorpool and do it there.

All of a sudden 'Ukraine is out of ammo and has no men' has disappeared

Multiple vatnik telegrams saying the hohol bombardments in Zapo are the biggest they've done in the whole war, and there are at least 9 hohol attack brigades (more armor) with at least another dozen in reserve (more infantry) on that front

Alot of the complaining from the Bakhmut defenders was how sparingly they got Artillery support. It was pretty obvious that Ukraine's high command had been hoarding ammo.

 

[Delicious Diversity]

Russia also fucks around on international bodies often just for the lols. They've made a game of inflicting small little humiliations on foreign officials.

The best one was when Merkel was visiting Putin for talks, and she is afraid of dogs... so knowing this he brought in his massive black labrador to spook her, lol:

Much as I detest Putin and it is a shitty thing to do, it did make me laugh seeing her squirm while he has that evil grin on his face.

 

[Ghostse]

btw, notice the state the knockout Leo and Bradley are in.

I'm not quite sure what the deal with the bradley facing away, but with the trash strewn around that was a careful evac and the inside looks good. my guess would be a breakdown or a lost tread we can't see.

the other vehicles just look like thye need treads and maybe a little skirt work to be back in action.

All of a sudden 'Ukraine is out of ammo and has no men' has disappeared

Multiple vatnik telegrams saying the hohol bombardments in Zapo are the biggest they've done in the whole war, and there are at least 9 hohol attack brigades (more armor) with at least another dozen in reserve (more infantry) on that front

Alot of the complaining from the Bakhmut defenders was how sparingly they got Artillery support. It was pretty obvious that Ukraine's high command had been hoarding ammo.

I've pointed this out before. Artillery ammo isn't a perishable commodity. You can slow down expenditure and save up. this is why reductions in Russia tube activity are cause for concern.

This is also why when Yooniks/Vatniks say the other side will run out of ammo is gay cope. Neither side will run out of ammo, they will just adjust consumption levels.

The best one was when Merkel was visiting Putin for talks, and she is afraid of dogs... so knowing this he brought in his massive black labrador to spook her, lol:
Much as I detest Putin and it is a shitty thing to do, it did make me laugh seeing her squirm while he has that evil grin on his face.

It was such a great troll. Fuck that Stasi Deep-cover Bitch.
As I said before: Putin clowning on Eurocucks and showing globohomo institutions as the nonfunctional shams they are was the best. Only issue I've had with him is when he's decided international borders don't apply to Russia.