Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

The St Crispin's Day speech this is not.
This reads like he’s channeling his inner Andrew Ryan. Which is funny because Rapture went to shit because everyone went insane after becoming addicted to drugs that gave them body mods (and could only be derived from girls).

  • I am Abigail Thorn, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a girl not entitled to the estrogen in her medicine cabinet? "No," says the woman in Walgreens, "Excuse me sir, you need to pay for that." "No," says the woman in the Victoria’s Secret, “Oh my god, are those cum stains?!" "No," says the woman in McDonald‘s, ”You can’t have my number, please leave before I call the cops.” I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture. A city where the discord catgirl would not fear the sex offender registry; where the plastic surgeon would not be bound by petty morality; where the large would not be constrained by the small! And with the estrogen in your medicine cabinet, Rapture can become your city as well.
 
What people like Olly are demanding is that you either believe their bullshit out of faith or they will punish you for dissent. This will only cause thinking people to resist more and more. His behaviour only serves the anti-trans cause.
I think many of us on the Kiwi Farms often overlook that the last part may be the point. Not intentionally necessarily but being an oppressed class "fighting" is seemingly as much a part of the fantasy as being seen sexually as a "woman" is. It's given the LARP a sense of importance and significance and grandeur, no longer is being trans merely a personal statement it's a political statement and simply doing it is being a hero that history will remember, those who take greater steps like openly telling people what to do are even bigger heroes who will have statutes built in their honor. Look at a lot of other "activist" groups that are older like PETA, vague possibly impossible radical goals combined with constant antagonism and refusal to compromise ensures a permanent niche rather than creating a temporary group to achieve a specific goal. The signal to noise ratio between people just saying the phrase TRANS RIGHTS and what this could possibly mean in some concrete way is like a billion to one or more. Gays had a tangible goal they wanted to achieve, what do trans people have other than narcissism? You can barely get one to ever pin down what they mean on anything, in part because they're afraid the rest will go after them for it.
 
I think he's just going to deny this. This is pretty old stuff in the social sciences, that there is no objective anything, all science is socially constructed so it's just about those who are using power to establish the truth that benefits them. You using the language categories of "man" and "woman" and prioritizing English is just some of the ways you're leveraging power to maintain your oppression of him.
Sciences aren't actually socially constructed, even the social sciences. They're just manipulated and used by parties with vested interests because they're easily manipulatable. Eventually their meddling with the science will always lead to Chernobyl. All this truth is power vaush commie shit will eventually lead to mass death destruction or dysfunction in one way or another. Natural troonism is similar to natural gayism, it is a biological error happening due to genetic errors or hormonal problems. So it tends to occur in less than 1-5% of people owing to error percentages in probability. Thing is most people who want to become troons for social credit, for a solution to a different disorder (Peter Pan syndrome, autism), for personal gain and other illegitimate reasons tend to be very bad faith regarding the science behind troonism and as it's not concrete, they're able to manipulate it easily. Troonism has no legitimacy in so far as being an actual condition, it's like having a disability if anything if it's naturally occurring.
 
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I think many of us on the Kiwi Farms often overlook that the last part may be the point. Not intentionally necessarily but being an oppressed class "fighting" is seemingly as much a part of the fantasy as being seen sexually as a "woman" is. It's given the LARP a sense of importance and significance and grandeur, no longer is being trans merely a personal statement it's a political statement and simply doing it is being a hero that history will remember, those who take greater steps like openly telling people what to do are even bigger heroes who will have statutes built in their honor.
I think the classic HSTS/AGP dichotomy is woefully out of date for this reason: the psychological cause behind the explosion in men trooning out is social in nature, not just sexual. Yeah, Olly gets off on pretending to be a woman, but I think he probably wouldn't have done it, maybe not even have considered doing it, were it not for the social prestige attached to being trans.
 
People using 'they' to refer to any individual person is entirely new, as far as I know. Until quite recently, the options have been 'he', 'she' or 'he or she'.
There is quite a long history of using "they" when referring to an unknown person, though it was considered colloquial for most of that time. For example, in Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors, Act IV, Scene 3, there's a "their" that matches up with "a man":
There's not a man I meet but doth salute me
As if I were their well-acquainted friend
So people online started saying "Shakespeare used singular they", sometimes mentioning this blog post (archive) by one of the authors of the Cambridge Grammar of the English Language, Geoff Pullum, and saying things like "they is a gender neutral pronoun, don't use 'gender neutal he' or 'he or she'", in their old-fashioned feminist-pushed pre-troon pronoun sperging that the terfs now claim never existed and certainly didn't inspire the troons.
Then at some point "non-binaries" started promoting "they" for a definite person. Geoff Pullum ended up getting hoist by his own petard, getting into an argument online with a butthurt non-binary gayden PhD student. He started by writing that using they to refer to a definite person was not grammatical (archive) (even by the standards of descriptive linguistics, because it's a deliberate attempt to prescribe other people's grammar). The gayden (for it was she, see her gayden glare), called him "un-hip to the cool new language change in progress" (archive) and said she would have filed a complaint against him if he had not called her a they "in a professional setting".
Now people are claiming the enby use of they always existed, using the Shakespeare example as a bluff. People are so browbeaten about grammar they aren't willing to stand up and argue against something that was totally unknown fifteen years ago, Eastasia was always at war with Oceania, etc.
Really, the existence of third genders are moreso evidence that homo/bisexuality and gender non-conformity have always existed, but that's one of the many things that troons seek to redefine and take away from gay people.
While some of them are names for what we might call gender non-conforming gay men, I have found another reason for these "third genders" while reading an essay by the Victorian explorer Sir Richard Burton (and now you have to know about it too). That is, this third gender consisted of boys, chosen against their will, to be forced into sex slavery to a rich pederast:
"The most repugnant of all their practices is that of male concubinage. A Kadiak mother will select her handsomest and most promising boy, and dress and rear him as a girl, teaching him only domestic duties, keeping him at women s work, associating him with women and girls, in order to render his effeminacy complete. Arriving at the age of ten or fifteen years, he is married to some wealthy man who regards such a companion as a great acquisition. These male concubines are called Achnutschik or Schopans"
It really puts some perspective on the motivations of these people promoting "trans kids".
It's clearly something you receive with your troon starter pack, as uber cretin and utter failure Rhys McKinnon has also made this embarrassing non-argument in televised interviews.
Rhys actually had an academic career at some point, including a PhD thesis. In the abstract of that thesis, he says:
Theres* a widespread conviction in the norms of assertion literature that an agents* asserting something false merits criticism. [...] Most writers on the topic have consequently proposed factive norms of assertion ones on which truth is a necessary condition for the proper performance of an assertion. However, I argue that this view is mistaken.
In other words, when Rhys is having a discussion, it's fine for him to say things that are blatantly false if he gets to "win" the argument. He even makes this into a game theory/gambling analogy later in the thesis. When Rhys says something, he doesn't give a shit whether it's true or false, he just wants to win. This "win at all costs, winning counts even if it's unfair and you cheat" mentality is the same thing that leads him to bicycle-race against women.
*The missing apostrophes are that way in the original. Maybe apostrophes are transphobic.
Sciences aren't actually socially constructed, even the social sciences. They're just manipulated and used by parties with vested interests because they're easily manipulatable.
The usefulness of "science" to these people is that it's hard to understand, so people get used to just accepting things without thinking to save mental effort (one can only expend so much in a given day, after all). For example, I don't understand how radio works (in proper detail). But I use it, so I've just learnt to put up with not knowing about it (maybe I'll understand it all the way from Maxwell's equations someday, but not any time soon - I've got a full-time job). For a lot of people, that's what "science" is, things you automatically believe in and have agreed to put up with not understanding because you just have to get through life.
This manipulation is similar to how troons use the notion of a "medical condition" and "healthcare" as well. People have to accept a doctor's expertise, so if they can get something considered a medical condition or healthcare people have to meekly accept it and ignore that it's something blatantly wrong.
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The usefulness of "science" to these people is that it's hard to understand, so people get used to just accepting things without thinking to save mental effort (one can only expend so much in a given day, after all). For example, I don't understand how radio works (in proper detail). But I use it, so I've just learnt to put up with not knowing about it (maybe I'll understand it all the way from Maxwell's equations someday, but not any time soon - I've got a full-time job). For a lot of people, that's what "science" is, things you automatically believe in and have agreed to put up with not understanding because you just have to get through life.
This manipulation is similar to how troons use the notion of a "medical condition" and "healthcare" as well. People have to accept a doctor's expertise, so if they can get something considered a medical condition or healthcare people have to meekly accept it and ignore that it's something blatantly wrong.
I know, its called appeal to authority in political terminology. Its basically pushing people to accept certain things through accredited sources citing said thing as good.
 
I know, its called appeal to authority in political terminology. Its basically pushing people to accept certain things through accredited sources citing said thing as good.
It's not just that people are unwilling to question it based on force of authority, but that they know that if they do question it it's going to hurt them in the brain (the reason I don't try to learn what keeps an aeroplane in the sky, even though I know the "explanations" in books for children etc. are obviously wrong).
 
It's not just that people are unwilling to question it based on force of authority, but that they know that if they do question it it's going to hurt them in the brain (the reason I don't try to learn what keeps an aeroplane in the sky, even though I know the "explanations" in books for children etc. are obviously wrong).
People can usually, thats how you usually cultivate an intelligent individual with an organic morality. Its just the institutions that be criminalize questioning things if its part of the power structure, part of the law. You can question parts of science, thats usually how you learn things but a lot of institutional science is based upon trust. Vaccines cant cause the autism cause theyre dead disease cells used to cultivate white blood cells with that particular disease immunity. But the covid vaccine is causing peoples hearts to explode so it makes people question whats actually in the fucking needle.
 
I think the classic HSTS/AGP dichotomy is woefully out of date for this reason: the psychological cause behind the explosion in men trooning out is social in nature, not just sexual. Yeah, Olly gets off on pretending to be a woman, but I think he probably wouldn't have done it, maybe not even have considered doing it, were it not for the social prestige attached to being trans.
This is precisely why almost all of the new wave of 'trans' people are terminally online. Teenagers and AGPs, plus a small subset of people who were considering this stuff before the mainstream activism started. With Olly it's very transparent, and this is not his first foray into LARPing for clout. He used to identify as a bisexual man (to distract from his posh white boy life), an abuse victim (he still brings that up now, and the "abuser" was supposedly female), a transbian (AGP), and now a transbian who dates men (can only find chasers to date).
 
It's not just that people are unwilling to question it based on force of authority, but that they know that if they do question it it's going to hurt them in the brain (the reason I don't try to learn what keeps an aeroplane in the sky, even though I know the "explanations" in books for children etc. are obviously wrong).
The plane stays in the air because enough people believe it works so society collectively believes it works. Anything bad that happens is because someone stopped clapping to keep Tinkerbell alive.
 
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Also saw on the reddit that Olly has indeed been cast in an upcoming Star Wars show. Character is Ensign Eurus. Source.

Congrats to everyone who could wade through his annoying shroud of coy hints and figured this out ages ago!

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Also saw on the reddit that Olly has indeed been cast in an upcoming Star Wars show. Character is Ensign Eurus. Source.

Congrats to everyone who could wade through his annoying shroud of coy hints and figured this out ages ago!

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Im genuinely surprised this faggot became a british superstar within 3 fucking years. Remember he was a mid breadtuber back in early 2020, known for raping contra and aping his style. If this is what being a coombrain troon gets you, I understand why faggots do it.
 
Im genuinely surprised this faggot became a british superstar within 3 fucking years. Remember he was a mid breadtuber back in early 2020, known for raping contra and aping his style. If this is what being a coombrain troon gets you, I understand why faggots do it.
He has done very well, but let's be clear he's no superstar. He's had much more success than the vast majority of aspiring actors, but he hasn't had anything that remotely resembles a big role. Just look at his Twitter bio. I think the fact that he includes his tiny role (what was it, five lines across two scenes?) in Ladhood before even his Youtube channel or the play he wrote and starred in speaks volumes. It also seems oddly off-brand. With his pretense of artistry, you'd think he'd put the play front and center. But no, it's in third place behind a minor role and a bit part.

I guess he recognizes that The Prince was entirely his own making and doesn't speak to any broader appreciation for him in the scene.

Anyway, I'll be surprised if Ensign Eurus is a bigger role than the one he had in Django. Pleasantly surprised, because he's fun to watch. I wish someone would cut a video of all his appearances in Django.
 
He has done very well, but let's be clear he's no superstar. He's had much more success than the vast majority of aspiring actors, but he hasn't had anything that remotely resembles a big role. Just look at his Twitter bio. I think the fact that he includes his tiny role (what was it, five lines across two scenes?) in Ladhood before even his Youtube channel or the play he wrote and starred in speaks volumes. It also seems oddly off-brand. With his pretense of artistry, you'd think he'd put the play front and center. But no, it's in third place behind a minor role and a bit part.

I guess he recognizes that The Prince was entirely his own making and doesn't speak to any broader appreciation for him in the scene.

Anyway, I'll be surprised if Ensign Eurus is a bigger role than the one he had in Django. Pleasantly surprised, because he's fun to watch. I wish someone would cut a video of all his appearances in Django.
Im a big fan of Django lore and Spaghetti western shit and Im frankly baffled that Italians hired this faggot to be beside the legend, Franco Nero. I feel like hes just a manipulative british troon so they let him do anything he wants and hes able to take advantage of that, properly. Murican troons cant get into hollywood this well.
 
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Bit off-topic, but I recently watched this video by "Hello Future Me" and got heavy Toob vibes. I think it's the gesticulating.
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It would be funny if he gets cut because his agency leaked it and those Star Wars execs HATE leaks.
Yeah it got posted on /r/StarWarsLeaks as well - clearly it wasn't officially announced yet. They announced some of the bigger stars like Manny Jacinto and Carrie-Anne Moss (Trinity) back in September and revealed more back in April.
I don't really follow Star Wars stuff but this show is apparently set about 100 years before the prequels. The main character is a former Jedi Padawan and as an "ensign" (lowest ranked junior officer/second lieutenant - Ollie's school cadet days coming back to him?) during the High Republic (an era of peace where the military was downsized) I can't imagine Ollie has a very important role. Jedis were like sworn protectors of the Republic or something, it's not like the Empire where it was Jedis vs military.
I'm going to put £20 down that this role is a bit more substantial than "audience member asking questions" in Chivalry, but probably less substantial than Jess in Django. They probably go on a spaceship to ask some questions and Ensign Abigail gets given some orders and say "yes sir" or maybe leads them to another part of the ship.
Maybe a slightly more substantial role like the old guy in the electric floor space prison in the Mandalorian who can't keep up with the manufacturing tasks and has a stroke and Pedro Pascal gets sad (I saw one episode on TV back at Christmas, I have no idea what was going on) - but that still bumps him from "background character" to "minor character", I don't think we'll be seeing multi-episode arcs for Ollie boy.
Nevertheless there's apparently already some gushing that Ollie's the "first transgender actress" to appear in a Star Wars production.
Im a big fan of Django lore and Spaghetti western shit and Im frankly baffled that Italians hired this faggot to be beside the legend, Franco Nero. I feel like hes just a manipulative british troon so they let him do anything he wants and hes able to take advantage of that, properly. Murican troons cant get into hollywood this well.
Co-produced by Sky Atlantic and Canal+ with involvement from ITV studios and Odeon Fiction. Django is not the work of an Italian auteur.
 
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