Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Lazerpig is British and a flaming homosexual at that, therefore he thinks he is a better human than anyone else on Earth. That explains the attitude. He also probably votes Labor and should be bullied constantly for it, if true. Amusingly he's also a Ukraine warmonger so possibly a massive Tony Blair fan.
Britain is probably the worst offender in anti-russian coalition, even more than America. While US just throws money at the problem and expects that shit won't escalate to the point they will actually be forced to actively join the fight, Brits seem to do everything to push the boundaries and make it worse, because they are probably furiously masturbating at the idea of having Crimean War 2.0 and once again putting Russia in it's place.
Russo-Brit rivalry was pretty much overshadowed by Cold War, but it's been going for quite some time and a lot longer too.
 
The problem is you cannot hide the burnt out husks of NATO tanks roasting in open fields with absolutely no Russian armor or men near them. This is the stage where propaganda is meeting reality, where Russia is basically sitting back and inflicting millions upon millions of dollars in damage via drones or remote artillery. A kamikaze drone is cheap, quick to produce and designed to be destroyed, versus a million dollar tank designed to function for at least more than a few hours on the battlefield.
I've seen several comments saying the all the crews survived, that all the vehicles were recovered and that all of them will be back in service in two weeks or so. I was on my phone and it is candidly a bitch for me to grab screenshots on it for some reason, so no receipts, but if I stumble across some today I'll try to remember to grab them.

IIRC American produced stuff is almost impossible to repair nowadays without technicians from the manufacturers doing it, so color me skeptical at least where they're using USA produced gimmiedats.

The U.S. Military Has a 'Right to Repair' Problem
 
140th star on the memorial wall at the CIA at the end of May 2023. and several last year, believed to be casualties in Ukraine. It's informed speculation since there aren't any names associated with these new stars but the worst kept secret is that Langley glowies have been in Ukraine for years.

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Russians, keep sending those CIA demons back to hell where they belong. Thank you.
 
The only time prior to the 1990s that Ukraine has ever been an independent state known as "Ukraine" was during the 1920's when it was being run by loony Anarcho-Communists during the Russian civil war. Before that, it was always part of some larger empire or kingdom. Even the Kieven Rus is more closely related to Russia than Ukraine, despite the modern Ukrainian ultranationalists trying to claim it for themselves.
Yeah, before it was a fake country, it was part of the Russians and before that, part of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, then before that The Kingdom of Poland. The idea that Ukraine has always been independent up until Putler starting bombing them due to white supreeeemacy is something Burgers believe in because we are wholly ignorant of history because learning about white people outside of slavery and muh shoah is bad.
Once the very real possibility of being shipped off to Ukraine by force is on the table these same tards screaming for Russian blood will dust off Gramp's old John Lennon albums and start singing "Give Peace A Chance" as they suddenly remember Ukraine is full of literal Nazis.
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Just a reminder for the “Team America, Fuck Yeah!” retards, public opinion permanently shifted quickly against the Iraq war not because of muh librul media but because people in red states saw their brothers, sons, husbands, etc. get killed, injured, fucked up with PTSD, etc. and realized that there was no actual point in fighting there.

The same will happen for Ukraine. Once it starts hitting home, then it will extremely unpopular. I’m sure Zelenskyyyyyy thinks this is a betrayal and in many ways it is. I’m sure he was promised that millions of willing goyim rubes would be available to sacrifice their lives for globohomo. I bet this faggot wishes he was still an actor at this point. Can’t feel good knowing he’s losing but is not allowed to surrender.
 
Britain is probably the worst offender in anti-russian coalition, even more than America. While US just throws money at the problem and expects that shit won't escalate to the point they will actually be forced to actively join the fight, Brits seem to do everything to push the boundaries and make it worse, because they are probably furiously masturbating at the idea of having Crimean War 2.0 and once again putting Russia in it's place.
Russo-Brit rivalry was pretty much overshadowed by Cold War, but it's been going for quite some time and a lot longer too.

I'd argue that the Russophobia here is really confined to the establishment and the pro-EU remoaner retards who constantly cry at Brexiteers as being ones who want Britain to become Putin's puppet and all that bollocks, I can't speak for everyone, but usually more right-leaning, patrotic Brits are more favourable to Russians.
 
Arestovych seems fed up with his fellow khokhols gloating about that Russian guy who was eaten by a shark in Egypt.
Reminder no one here gloated or made jokes about the misfortunes that have befallen Ukrainian refugees in the US/Europe, which range from violent rape in public in full daylight to murder.

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Of course they prove him right in the replies-here's a small sample.
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These are the "victims" who believe they are better than Russians and thus deserve to be in the EU. You have been warned, yuros. Take heed.
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"The dehumanization is already here"? I thought that happened well over a year ago when people started unironically calling Russians 'orcs'. Somehow they managed to take the gullibility of the German 'hun' propaganda from World War I and add a layer of soy consoomer on top of it.

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It's just like my heckin' Tolkien lore, guys!
 
What are the chances of the war being over after this clusterfuck of a counteroffensive inevitably fails?
ZERO. Ukraine has been conditioned to accept nothing less than total victory aka Ukraine back to the way it was in early 2014. Not back to the way it was in January 2022, they want Crimea back as well.
I don't think the war will end until its out of the western publics mind. This will be the last Ukrainian offensive one way or another.
Not at all, however this is probably the largest one for quite some time.

That said Ukraine has made advances in certain areas of the Frontline, with confirmed advances up to 1.4 kilometers in some places and the breaching if the first of the three defensive lines in others.

Come back in a few weeks when the smoke clears to see.
 
Ukraine seems to have made the classic mistake of believing their own propaganda. What footage has surfaced from this so called grand offensive has been shocking even for a second rate army. Keep in mind that we have been told that these are the "elite" units of the Ukrainian army. While complete incompetence might explain these shortcoming, for me complacency seems like a more likely reason for what we are seeing. They thought the Russians would only put up token resistance and then run to the sea. In reality they encountered stiff resistance right away.

On a strategic level I have trouble seeing the win condition for Ukraine. Your country is in ruins, your economy halved and you lost north of a 100.000 men in combat and millions emigrated abroad. Especially qualified workers have found way better paid jobs abroad and won't return even in peacetime. We are not living in the first half of the 20th century anymore, were demographics ensure that a nation will bounce reasonably back quickly population wise.
 
More evidence sanctions failed, and European countries are fearful that more sanctions would make things worse.
I don't know the precise details obviously, but I get the distinct impression when they talk about electronics sanctions they're mostly referring to consumer electronics and maybe computing parts for consumer, industrial and military use (CPUs, memory, motherboards, etc.) and not low-level components like capacitors, MOSFETs, transformers, DC motors and the like.

In other words they're patting themselves on the back for "denying" Russia access to the latest and greatest Intel and AMD CPUs and that fancy DDR5 DRAM tech. "Forcing" the Russians to stick with older, inferior hardware like lowly Pentium 4's or Athlons. No $2,000 folding phones for you, vatniks!

Assuming this is what's actually happening (and it makes sense, because lower-level parts are much more broadly available than fancy new CPUs), it demonstrates another symptom of Western thinking: we completely and utterly suck at building efficient systems and writing efficient software in the west, and we think everyone else does too. Often we're not wrong (observe pajeet software "engineering" for the canonical example of overpaid incompetence) but there are quite a few pockets of absurdly talented engineers out there, and Russia is one of them.

Just twenty years ago you could browse the internet, run a word processor and engage in real-time chat (like AIM, MSN chat, etc.) on a PC with a 100Mhz 80486 and 16MB of RAM. I was about to write that it wasn't as fast as on modern gear, but JFC take a modern beast with monster specs, load up Chrome and hit up a mainstream website without an ad blocker. I wouldn't be surprised if the old experience was either on-par or actually faster. We flew the Space Shuttle for decades on radiation-hardened 386's and 486's (and that was the upgraded avionics package). We flew to the moon in 1969 on little more than relays and transistors attached to switches and LEDs. The assembly-language source code for the Apollo flight computer is a work of art. Imagine what the greybeards from 1969 could do with a modern 4GHz Ryzen 9. Holy shit.

We (in the west) don't really know how to do that kind of shit anymore. We've gotten lazier, our tools have gotten bulkier and less efficient, and for decades now we've "solved" our "shit's running slower lol" problem by throwing more hardware at it. Modern software tooling is utterly ridiculous -- entire desktop applications are built on bundled web browsers now that weigh in at over 100MB just for the runtime platform.

Russia, having never been at the forefront of super-fast semiconductor electronics, has developed a much more pragmatic attitude and skillset when it comes to hardware and software development. That's not to say they're more "sophisticated" (though they often are) but they're much better at squeezing every last drop of performance from their gear than we are (mostly because they still care about that). Hell, look at the malware they crank out. We're skr1pt kidd13z here compared to the stuff they ship to the world.

I sincerely doubt the Russians feel all that constrained with "only" having access to the kinds of chips the Chinese can ship them. Look at all the cool stuff you can do on a lowly Raspberry Pi, for example. Comparable babby boards can be had from all manner of manufacturers from all around the world, including from countries that don't bother with this sanction bullshit. Nice & cheap, too.

Yet more sanctions that mean nothing to Russia but potentially fuck over everyone else. Brilliant move, "leaders."
 
What are the chances of the war being over after this clusterfuck of a counteroffensive inevitably fails?
Not a chance. Russia isn't going to be nice. They're going to take whatever they want.

Also, Ukraine can't broker peace with the NaziWarCriminalTerroristOrcs after all this bullshit bluster "rUsSiA mUsT lEaVe"

Welp....they haven't left. So I guess they want a forever war....
 
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Reading comment about the counteroffensive is my new guilty pleasure. This is under a video where ukies blow up their own bradley.
Holy shit, levels of copium never before witnessed by mankind.

"Well these wunderwaffles are being destroyed left and right but hey, at least our guys aren't dying (as much) when it happens!"

You know what's better than equipment that doesn't kill its crew when it suffers critical damage? Equipment that's harder to inflict critical damage upon that's better suited to the task at hand, and that can actually bring its weapons to bear before being destroyed by an enemy that can just sit back lazily popping off bits of artillery to pick you off a piece at a time.

Apart from that video a few pages back of these idiots fragging their own fancy equipment with friendly fire, is there any confirmation any of these fucking things have successfully fired on an actual Russian position and inflicted any actual damage? Deliberately, I mean, not just random fire or "lucky shots." Like, with even a slight hint of competence.

This is some serious Sun Tzu shit going on right here. Russia's military leadership must be laughing their asses off right now knowing their enemy is destroying more of its own equipment than Russia's military is.
 
Holy shit, levels of copium never before witnessed by mankind.

"Well these wunderwaffles are being destroyed left and right but hey, at least our guys aren't dying (as much) when it happens!"

You know what's better than equipment that doesn't kill its crew when it suffers critical damage? Equipment that's harder to inflict critical damage upon that's better suited to the task at hand, and that can actually bring its weapons to bear before being destroyed by an enemy that can just sit back lazily popping off bits of artillery to pick you off a piece at a time.

Apart from that video a few pages back of these idiots fragging their own fancy equipment with friendly fire, is there any confirmation any of these fucking things have successfully fired on an actual Russian position and inflicted any actual damage? Deliberately, I mean, not just random fire or "lucky shots." Like, with even a slight hint of competence.

This is some serious Sun Tzu shit going on right here. Russia's military leadership must be laughing their asses off right now knowing their enemy is destroying more of its own equipment than Russia's military is.
The tanks will be recovered, towed back to the motor pool, repaired and be back killing orcs within a couple of days.

Towing a 63 ton tank through enemy controlled territory while being under constant artillery fire and dodging helicopter gunships is, after all, barely an inconvenience.

BTW we know the Ukrainian soldiers survived because they got out after hitting the mine. They enjoyed a relaxing jog back to their lines across open fields. Nothing like a brisk walk in the country in the summer.
ZERO. Ukraine has been conditioned to accept nothing less than total victory aka Ukraine back to the way it was in early 2014. Not back to the way it was in January 2022, they want Crimea back as well.

Not at all, however this is probably the largest one for quite some time.

That said Ukraine has made advances in certain areas of the Frontline, with confirmed advances up to 1.4 kilometers in some places and the breaching if the first of the three defensive lines in others.

Come back in a few weeks when the smoke clears to see.
"Advanced 1.4km" means they drove down a road for about a mile before getting blowed up.

"Breaching the first line of defense" means skirting past the Russian forward spotters before being blowed up.

Expect this nonsense to continue before they finally accept reality. Ukraine is fighting an enemy with overwhelming air superiority, shit let's admit it, air supremacy at this point. They're also unable to fly drones due to Russian signal jamming. Since the Predator got took out all the Americans will be giving is satellite pictures and whatever they're picking up on the wires. The Russians have more men, more and better equipment and are well dug in. If the Russians allow the Ukrainian army to make any kind of permanent gain in the next few weeks they're utter retards who deserve to lose.
 
I know this isn't completely relevant to the topic, but talking about how useless US tanks are reminds me of this incredible scene from Pentagon Wars

It's funny to me how much sperging this video causes from NATO niggers. Obviously the movie isn't 100% accurate. It's a comedy drama meant to poke fun at how laughably bureaucratic and corrupt military procurement is, and not a documentary. It's actually correct in its overall point though it might not be in the details. For instance, there have been proven cases of pentagon brass sabotaging trials both to get shit into service and to block things from entering service. Ironically though, it's like the pentagon used this movie as a template for the development of the Stryker (not striker because stryker sounds cooler). It was marketed as being "modular" and able to fill damn near any role. They literally tried to mount a 105mm gun on it which broke the damn thing at one point, and the amour was so thin even anti personnel IEDs could kill it.
 
I have never seen this brand anywhere in Russia.
I've seen it exactly once in Russia. It's all over the place in Finland though, I bought some whenever I was there.
Heheh I'd love to see counter sanctions on the EU.
EU sanctions Russia: "Now where are we going to get our gas, iron, and wheat from!?"
Russia sanctions EU: "Oh no, we'll have to eat domestic brie!"
 
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