War Thousands of subreddits pledge to go dark after the Reddit CEO’s recent remarks - Fallout from the unpopular API pricing change and disastrous AMA with CEO Steve Huffman is turning out the lights on some of Reddit’s most prominent communities.


The version of Reddit we’ll see over the next few days may be a shell of itself. More than 100 subreddits have already gone dark, and thousands more plan to follow in protest of Reddit’s coming API changes, according to the website Reddark, which is tracking the protests.

The protests are happening over API changes that will force many third-party apps, like Apollo and rif is fun for Reddit, to shut down. Frustration was already brewing in the community as developers began reacting to the changes this week, but Reddit CEO Steve Huffman’s responses in recent days have only escalated the community’s pushback.

In a Reddit AMA on Friday, Huffman was met with seemingly universal anger. There were a lot of f-bombs from commenters. A lot of people called him a coward. If there are positive comments, I didn’t find them.

Subreddit moderators and third-party Reddit app developers say they’ve lost trust in Huffman and Reddit’s leadership. Apollo developer Christian Selig accused Huffman of “blatantly lying” in a phone call to some subreddit moderators. The moderators of r/videos wrote that Huffman’s AMA performance was “a collage of inappropriate responses.” r/funny suggested the company was “aim[ing] solely at your looming IPO.”

Most of the subreddits have pledged to go private — preventing outside access — for 48 hours, though some, like the 26 million-member community r/videos, have said they’ll remain private indefinitely. According to this post on r/ModCoord, protests will end when Reddit addresses issues with the API, improves accessibility for blind people, and creates “parity in access to NSFW content.”

Among the complaints are how Reddit’s leadership has, or mostly hasn’t, communicated the details of changes to its API pricing or incoming restrictions, including prohibiting third-party apps from showing NSFW content that’s already viewable on the site. ReddPlanet developer Tony Lupeski said it was a “blatant lie” that Reddit leadership was keeping dialogue open with impacted third-party developers, as Huffman wrote.

“That’s not an answer and you know it,” said user Anacharsis to the same Huffman reply.

When moderator Merari01 asked why the site hadn’t tested the new changes with users and moderators, Huffman said the company “started sharing this information in April.” A few responses pointed out the earlier announcement didn’t include any pricing information and left out details like the ban on third-party apps showing NSFW content.

One user pointed to a post on r/AskHistorians listing times Reddit had reneged on promises.

Since the AMA, some subreddits have escalated their response. Over at r/iPhone, the moderators posted early morning that their original plan was to go dark for just 48 hours, but Huffman’s behavior changed their minds:

Originally, the protest was planned to be 48 hours. However, after a shambolic AMA held by Reddit’s CEO, it has become clear to us that Reddit doesn’t intend to act in good faith. When the CEO is willing to lie and spread libellous claims about another third-party developer, and then try double down by vilifying them, again, in an AMA, despite being proven as a liar by the developer through audio recordings, that’s when we knew what we were up against.

Now /iPhone will be going private, severely restricting access to the sub. As will r/Music, a default subscription for new accounts and one of the largest subreddits on the site. Mods of that community put it right in the title of the post announcing its participation, which says it will close starting June 12th “Until Reddit Takes Back Their API Policy Change.”

r/iPhone, which has 3.8 million users, echoed r/Music’s sentiment, saying, “in the (somewhat unlikely) scenario that Reddit’s leadership has a change of direction that sees the reversal [of] the recent API policy change, we will reopen the subreddit.” r/Gaming says its shutdown will begin on the 12th, and it will be set to private “for 48 hours or longer.”

At the time of publishing, a pinned bot post on the r/ModCoord sub’s post about the protest says nearly 4,500 communities are pledging to go dark, while Reddark, a site tracking the protesting subreddits, says over 200 already have.

Correction June 11th, 2023, 8:47AM EST: A previous version of this headline said thousands of subreddits had gone dark. That is inaccurate, they are currently planning to go dark. r/videos also has not yet gone private, as previously stated. Lastly, a mention of r/History should have read r/AskHistorians. We sincerely regret the error.
 
The problem with this half arsed protest is by announcing you'll be back in 48 hours you've rendered it essentially meaningless. "hurr durr we'll be down for 0.5% of the whole year, that'll teach 'em"

Can anyone explain why they're so mad to someone who has no fucking idea what this app shit is and doesn't know much about Reddit beyond /r/cinemassacretruth?
The official Reddit app is apparently absolute fucking arse to use. Aside from the 3rd party ones running infinitely better, and not being absolutely infested with ads, they also apparently have much better moderating tools, and work much better with shit like screenreaders for the blind

Perhaps we should thank Fong-Jones for protecting us from this.
>Implying actual unironic Redditors would survive 5 minutes on a site where jannies won't instantly ban the "wrongthinkers"
 
this is a site which is radioactive to redditors. we have actual free speech and free thought here. no redditor wants to go within 5 miles of free thunk. they want a tightly control environment where only certain opinions they agree with are allowed and they get internet ass pats for agreeing with their group think.

plus we can say nigger here which is a good repellent to undesirables. that and we can be honest about what hideously ugly freaks and sex pest troons are makes us immune form a reddit infestation.
Pretty much exactly this. Reddit is gay now and I don't think people used to having their own safe space echo chamber would survive on KF for more than ten minutes.

Just let them come and mercilessly terrorize them (with 'problematic' statements like YWNBAW and TND copypasta) until they either fit in or leave. 99.9% wouldn't be able to handle it.
 
Reddit has an official mobile app that is ad-infested shit. Third party app developers wrote their own in response..

Reddit is telling third-party apps that they will have to pay for an "API key" which will run them a few million a year, and they won't be able to look at the softcore tranny porn NSFW subreddits.


This is awful because the Reddit crowd could infest other sites.

The third party apps came years before the official app. The official app isn't just ad infested, it is tracker infested and lacks many basic features the third party apps have. The third party apps also work with phone accessibility features such as screen readers for blind people. The official app doesn't.

Couldn't Reddit admins just....forcibly reopen subreddits and boot mods?
Yes, this is likely going to happen if they stay private for more than a couple days.
 
Reddit doesn't make a profit as it is even with all the jannies doing it for free, if they have to start paying pajeets to clean it up their finances are going to look really bad in front of their IPO.
Moderators of "fan subs" are all paid-for shills. r/Startrek was famous for banning anyone questioning the recent shitshows.

If Reddit takes payola instead, they'll be able to pay pajeets and kebabs, and still make money.
 
The problem with this half arsed protest is by announcing you'll be back in 48 hours you've rendered it essentially meaningless. "hurr durr we'll be down for 0.5% of the whole year, that'll teach 'em"
Some subreddits have announced they'll be dark until the issue with the API is resolved. So forever.

Reddit is telling third-party apps that they will have to pay for an "API key" which will run them a few million a year, and they won't be able to look at the softcore tranny porn NSFW subreddits.
By few million, you mean $10-20 million a year. Per the most popular 3rd party reddit app dev. Reddit is going public sometime this year and they want to get a good value evaluation. This move is basically a way for Spez to remove all competition and to corral everyone onto one mobile app so they can serve ads better and track you / sell your data. The latter most likely.

The third party apps came years before the official app. The official app isn't just ad infested, it is tracker infested and lacks many basic features the third party apps have. The third party apps also work with phone accessibility features such as screen readers for blind people. The official app doesn't.
IIRC Spez did relent and allow fair pricing for 3rd party apps for people who need accessibility.

Also question can someone make an app without API or is impossible?
I think devs of Libreddit are looking into it. Probably. Nitter, the twitter privacy front end, didn't go up in flames when Elon fucked up api access. Then again, I think they use a workaround for the API that allows them to get unlimited calls to it.
 
Reddit has an official mobile app that is ad-infested shit. Third party app developers wrote their own in response..

Reddit is telling third-party apps that they will have to pay for an "API key" which will run them a few million a year, and they won't be able to look at the softcore tranny porn NSFW subreddits.


This is awful because the Reddit crowd could infest other sites.
It's a little bit fuckier than that. Reddit has always struggled with first-party support. They used to only allow external hosting of images/videos, hence imgur came to be. Many of the quality of life issues that persisted until very recently (or still persist) were remedied with plugins like RES.

Part and parcel of this is that a first-party reddit app simply did not exist for quite some time. It wasn't that the official app was shit. For years Reddit relied on these third parties as browsing via mobile became more and more popular. Reddit outright acquired one of these third parties instead of developing their own in-house. As far as I am aware any "improvements" to that specific app stopped cold once it was acquired. From looking at pretty much all of Reddit's first-party output, I am fairly confident in saying this went beyond laziness on Reddit's part. They lack competency with their own product.

I understand being mad about reddit finally pulling the trigger. That said, from the outside looking in, they've been lining up this exact shot for years. Despite their initial growth coming from Digg's exodus they are hell-bent on following in their footsteps.
 
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No "welcome refugees" sign here.
This is a reddit free zone.
It's not that I would want Redditors to fuck off, it's that the people that usually migrate to other sites--much like in real life, they try to colonize and subvert it.

During the post-November 2020 era with the leaked PM, there were a lot of people chiming in about how bad A&N was, yet all of them had 2019 join dates and no avatars. I'm pretty sure there was at least an attempt to try to subvert the site at some point.
 
Perhaps we should thank Fong-Jones for protecting us from this.
These people are mad they can't use an app to look at stolen porn.

They're stupid phone posters who are too retarded to use the site without an app. If you want to know who is gone from KF because of Tor, it will be the same answer mostly.
 
These people are mad they can't use an app to look at stolen porn.

They're stupid phone posters who are too retarded to use the site without an app. If you want to know who is gone from KF because of Tor, it will be the same answer mostly.
There's two apps for tor.
 
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