Plagued Incels.is (Previously known as /r/incels) - Subreddit's banned, entitled Manchildren whine about why they can't get laid.

[Duke Nukem]

The NPNW thing is kind of interesting but I don't think it's practical, unless you're going to sponge off your parents for the rest of your life. Then again, who knows what the market will look like with the rise of AI and most incels probably qualify for little more than minimum wage fast food jobs anyway. Honestly, I don't think not having sex or a girlfriend makes you an evil Nazi terrorist monster or anything, at least not in and of itself. These guys are all approaching it the wrong way and their entitlement towards the subject is a bigger turn off to women than any level of being an unshowered morbidly obese anime sperg/gaming addict/whatever it is incels do in their alone time.

Also, it's Saint Elliot's Day, here's to nine years of Retribution! I'm not really a fan of Mumkey Jones but he did a pretty good series about Mr. Rodger and his exploits. That being said, he'd be a 31 year old virgin if he were still alive today.

Another thing, parents need to stop fucking telling their male offspring that "you'll get a girlfriend and marry her one day, there's someone for everyone" and all that crap. It's as foolish and destructive as saying "Oh little Jimmy I'm sorry that Chad is bullying you again he's just jealous of how smart you are" and it does nothing good for the situation. This touches on parents in general being clueless morons who do not understand that the world is different from when they were the same age, but I digress.

@Cpt. Stud Beefpile I understand where you're coming from and all, when you're newly 18 and you don't understand why others seem to have no trouble with women/sex/money/etc. and you do, you'll take any explanation you can possibly come across. The contemporary incel sites didn't exist or were at least very obscure when I was in the age range of a lot of incels. Probably for the best, I can see how and why someone would find solace in places like that, but it's a new threat that parents really need to be aware of especially with the rise of inexpensive devices that can access anything on the internet. There's been talk of sex robots and AI waifus and VR sex and shit like that for a while but I don't know if they're actually going to come to fruition, there's a lot of opposition to them from the usual suspects. And if you actually want to meet women IRL it's kind of an uphill battle because it's easier to get into legal trouble than ever before. When asking your female coworker out on a coffee date is somehow equivalent to rape then yeah of course you're probably not going to want to do that.

 

[Ishtar]

How the hell does the Incels.is forum manage to never had any DDOS attacks, hosting controversies or any mass calls for removal unlike the Farms' there? I've been using the Farms for ages (although my account is relatively new I've been a casual lurker for some time before) and I never saw anything here that is as spicy as what they got.

Most users literally talk about how the age of consent should be abolished and even bait shit like mass shootings or whatever, 'going E.R.'?

I dunno if the above are 'serious' or just trying to be edgy, but still it's pretty strange... Do they have any small hat backers or what? I guess TECHNICALLY they never posted any 'illegal content' as in CP (yet) and I guess there hasn't been any shooters who had verifiable proof that they had connections to the forum, but still.

Where were all the troons and leftist e-celebs around the time of #DropKiwifarms for that site? I've never seen any leftist e-celeb call for Incels.is to be taken down, but a lot have called for the Farms'. inb4 troons are basically aligned with incels in practical terms

I heard on the site itself, the moderators worked with some de radicalization NGO(basically a therapy outfit designed to keep young men from becoming Nazis).

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if the site's staff or the site itself has Federal backing or the usual constellation of NGOS and Para governmental outfits that seek to corral, diminish and de radicalize young men.

Could that be false? Maybe, but you see a lot of ridiculous shit on the forum that reminds of manuals as to how feds disrupt online communities(flooding the site with shit, demoralization, atomization, etc...).

 

[Ishtar]

Apologies if this is a double post, but interesting evopsych paper I read last night.

https://psyarxiv.com/pve8u/

TBH it confirms just about every blackpill observation.

Feel free to read.

 

[Anne Hyroe]

This mythical monogamy thing with boomers-gen x and y is complete horse shit. As a matter of fact it was loads easier to have an affair because you could just find some woman/man on the other side of the city or over into the next city. Social media wasn't a thing so it removed that layer of getting caught. There's an lot of people nowadays doing 23&me. Then finding out that dad's "business trips" meant he was off somewhere else with a whole other family that no one knew about. Had this one happen to a former GF of mine back in the early 2010s. And yes boomer parents.

It’s never been easier to discover infidelity and/or false parentage and, even more importantly, to deal with this in the way that is most appropriate to the individuals involved. People are no longer required to divorce and prosecute (as in ancient times) or to work through things for the sake of propriety and heredity. People have always cheated and there’s little evidence about whether it’s more common now than previously; though I suspect that within marriage it’s less so as people are no longer compelled to marry.

It always comes back to Keffals... Vordrak

FTFY

So without those incentive(s) the average woman will use up her natural attractiveness and fertility at 30-35. At that point she might have a couple benefits bastards and maybe be together with some last-minute Larry. Also fairly likely she's a childless cat lady.

Losing attractiveness and fertility at 30-35 is as out of date as any boomer advice.

The NPNW thing is kind of interesting but I don't think it's practical, unless you're going to sponge off your parents for the rest of your life.

I can’t imagine many parents being thrilled to, not only be without grandkids, but to support their failure to launch kids as they have a tantrum about it.

 

[Troon Destroyer]

This "No Pussy No Work" shit looks like right-wing version of Lysystrata. Also I see a lot of /pol/, MRA/MGTOW, blackpill and Stormfront types becoming childhaters and antinatalists. They seem to be going crom "Da Jooz want gentiles to stop having children to take the world for themselves" to "Da Jooz want gentiles to have 5+ children to prop up their schemes and chutzpahs, we need to hate parents, children and pregnancy to own le Semites" which contradicts their ideology (if they still subscribe to far-right thought, which I doubt).

 

[ABE LINN COHN]

This "No Pussy No Work" shit looks like right-wing version of Lysystrata. Also I see a lot of /pol/, MRA/MGTOW, blackpill and Stormfront types becoming childhaters and antinatalists. They seem to be going crom "Da Jooz want gentiles to stop having children to take the world for themselves" to "Da Jooz want gentiles to have 5+ children to prop up their schemes and chutzpahs, we need to hate parents, children and pregnancy to own le Semites" which contradicts their ideology (if they still subscribe to far-right thought, which I doubt).

You shouldn't expect political coherence from angry terminally online schizos. On either "side" (even though incels occupy both "sides"). They'll reinvent their worldview on the spot in order to demonize whatever they're pissed off about the most at that moment.

 

[Ishtar]

To be fair, I get it. Slaving away as a wagie every day for the bulk of your life with nothing to come home too. Except what, vidya, porn, your bed? Its not worth the labor expended. Especially when you aren't even getting the pretense of appreciation for it.

As I've said, western society is 100% committed to female liberation, and western governments are already moving to put the pillow over the lips of young men. You need something like 40-60% of men to simply check out, refuse to pay taxes, obey any laws, period and then maaybe some governments might be willing to offer something, UBI maybe. But in America and the UK/the rest of the anglosphere? I genuinely believe if 90% of men became die hard misogynist Muslims or something and insisted on state mandated GF, western elites would sooner see the entire society burn back to the stone age then comply.

Its not just economic incentives or modern culture, all Western elite opinion makers, consensus shapers and policy drivers are 100% committed to feminism. If you read any academic literature, stuff from the RAND corporation, state department, etc... this becomes undeniably obvious.

The commitment to feminism is ideological and total.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I genuinely believe if 90% of men became die hard misogynist Muslims or something and insisted on state mandated GF, western elites would sooner see the entire society burn back to the stone age then comply.

Honestly, considering what societies of die-hard misogynistic Muslims are like, the stone age would pretty much be the same thing.

 

[Ishtar]

Honestly, considering what societies of die-hard misogynistic Muslims are like, the stone age would pretty much be the same thing.

You misunderstood the point. That being western governments are 100% committed to feminism regardless of the costs, not on economic or practical grounds but ideological devotion.

 

[JackoVerde]

perfect video for this thread

 

[Duke Nukem]

perfect video for this thread

I'm going to watch/listen to this in its entirety.

To be fair, I get it. Slaving away as a wagie every day for the bulk of your life with nothing to come home too. Except what, vidya, porn, your bed? Its not worth the labor expended. Especially when you aren't even getting the pretense of appreciation for it.

As I've said, western society is 100% committed to female liberation, and western governments are already moving to put the pillow over the lips of young men. You need something like 40-60% of men to simply check out, refuse to pay taxes, obey any laws, period and then maaybe some governments might be willing to offer something, UBI maybe. But in America and the UK/the rest of the anglosphere? I genuinely believe if 90% of men became die hard misogynist Muslims or something and insisted on state mandated GF, western elites would sooner see the entire society burn back to the stone age then comply.

Its not just economic incentives or modern culture, all Western elite opinion makers, consensus shapers and policy drivers are 100% committed to feminism. If you read any academic literature, stuff from the RAND corporation, state department, etc... this becomes undeniably obvious.

The commitment to feminism is ideological and total.

Women don't need men anymore, they have OnlyFans if they need financial support. And they can get it from as many guys on the internet as they want.

 

[Ishtar]

I'm going to watch/listen to this in its entirety.

Women don't need men anymore, they have OnlyFans if they need financial support. And they can get it from as many guys on the internet as they want.

That's true, and I've heard studies that say women are genuinely happier when single. If Chad is unavailable then women tend to have the mental framework and social circle to handle going into middle age without a partner.

My point is less about women and more social and state policy. Which is basically "women's liberation is non negotiable"-every single liberal, leftist, globalist, etc... will sooner see society collapse into a stone age we'll never recover from than give any power over women's autonomy back to men. The commitment to feminism is an ideological pillar of globohomo, that's as resolute as mass migration and faggot "rights".

Women's mating choices are also contrary to some self hating incels and radfems dysgenic btw. Women will take take 80 IQ Chad with a big dick and sharp jawline over a scrawny 130 IQ nerd, even if the latter is better for civilization as a whole.

That in itself will lead to civilizational collapse.

Which is why, as I always say you aren't going to change anything without a social revolution and restoration of the patriarchy.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

Women's mating choices are also contrary to some self hating incels and radfems dysgenic btw. Women will take take 80 IQ Chad with a big dick and sharp jawline over a scrawny 130 IQ nerd, even if the latter is better for civilization as a whole.

That in itself will lead to civilizational collapse.

Which is why, as I always say you aren't going to change anything without a social revolution and restoration of the patriarchy.

"oh no people are attracted to physical traits that imprecisely predict fitness. the west has fallen, billions will die"

 

[Ishtar]

"oh no people are attracted to physical traits that imprecisely predict fitness. the west has fallen, billions will die"

"oh no there's a fundamental mismatch between the requirements of maintaining and advancing modern civilization and what our primal cave brains are stimulated by".

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

"oh no there's a fundamental mismatch between the requirements of maintaining and advancing modern civilization and what our primal cave brains are stimulated by".

That's a ridiculous overgeneralization that applies to literally all aspects of human nature. Those same words could be reused to argue that music is silly, luxury goods should be banned, or eating meat is bad for the planet

 

[Ishtar]

That's a ridiculous overgeneralization that applies to literally all aspects of human nature. Those same words could be reused to argue that music is silly, luxury goods should be banned, or eating meat is bad for the planet

Indeed, which is why you and I are both making value judgements that derive from subjective axioms and self interest. My axioms are the moral order and technical progress are good things, we have thrown down the former and the latter is slowing.

Women have been "liberated" officially for now sixty years, due to the pill and second wave feminism. A century in the west politically. What is the balance sheet? What are the consequences of the ascension of women over the dying patriarchal order?

Childlessness, so much childlessness. The rise in "safety" culture, with modern "wokeism" and liberalism being overwhelmingly feminine movements, the degeneration of infrastructure and the growth of vice-pornography and male despair upon despair.

The slowdown of technical progress. We went from flying in 1903 to moon landings in 66 years. Yet where is the damn Mars base, where is the fusion power? How many resources have been wasted by female dominated office culture, by men wasting their lives in the pursuit of women, by the suffocation of male ambition and inventiveness?

Civilization is degenerating, with every wasted young man who either resents the lack of a wife, thus not contributing his intellect to civilization's furtherance or in pursuit of sex.

But I repeat myself, in this wretched and declining age we have chosen to give women every desire the patriarchy suppressed for the past 5,000 years. And in a century, when the roads and sewers are in ruins and hordes of nigger filth stream over the ruins like a flood of shit, we will have the liberation of women to blame.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

Indeed, which is why you and I are both making value judgements that derive from subjective axioms and self interest. My axioms are the moral order and technical progress are good things, we have thrown down the former and the latter is slowing.

Women have been "liberated" officially for now sixty years, due to the pill and second wave feminism. A century in the west politically. What is the balance sheet? What are the consequences of the ascension of women over the dying patriarchal order?

Childlessness, so much childlessness. The rise in "safety" culture, with modern "wokeism" and liberalism being overwhelmingly feminine movements, the degeneration of infrastructure and the growth of vice-pornography and male despair upon despair.

The slowdown of technical progress. We went from flying in 1903 to moon landings in 66 years. Yet where is the damn Mars base, where is the fusion power? How many resources have been wasted by female dominated office culture, by men wasting their lives in the pursuit of women, by the suffocation of male ambition and inventiveness?

Civilization is degenerating, with every wasted young man who either resents the lack of a wife, thus not contributing his intellect to civilization's furtherance or in pursuit of sex.

But I repeat myself, in this wretched and declining age we have chosen to give women every desire the patriarchy suppressed for the past 5,000 years. And in a century, when the roads and sewers are in ruins and hordes of nigger filth stream over the ruins like a flood of shit, we will have the liberation of women to blame.

Ok so basically "The West is fall(ing/en) because no patriarchy"

But yet you could also apply similar arguments you use to stuff like arts and luxury goods. I'm sure scientists would kill to have the cost of some soyman's funko pop collection as grant money. And I'm sure if you took just half of what Hollywood takes in every year, you'd be able to build and repair the roads and shit.

Hell, let's go even further: people waste so much land, money and manpower insisting to have nice food, homes and all of that; perhaps the solution is to get everyone eating bugs and living in pods

And then there's stuff other than money - you talk about female office culture killing male ambition, well, how about getting comfortable with the current (material) standard of living?

TLDR, society is complicated, problems often have many causes, denying that is stupid.

 

[JackoVerde]

"oh no people are attracted to physical traits that imprecisely predict fitness. the west has fallen, billions will die"

in america alone, 70% of people are fat fucks. this shit is growing thoughout western europe which isnt quite as bad, but people are catching up. east asia and the middle east are also getting fat as well.
then another 20% aren't overweight but are skinnyfat.
basically someone who when wearing a shirt look okay, but when not wearing a shirt , looks like melted cottage cheese.
that last 10% is actually in shape. if you restrict yourself to only fit attractive people, you're gonna have a bad time if you yourself aren't fit and attractive. they'll be seeking out fit and attractive people.
.
like incels who only want instagram model girlfriends. you have woman who want fit tall men.
a lot of people are gonna be in for a bad time on both sides
the west isn't falling because people want attractive partners. wanting an attractive partner is the default. they want attractive partners while having zero redeeming qualities themselves. weigh 250 pounds, bad hygeine, no money, no house. oh i totally deserve an instagram model girlfriend.
same with women. 250 pounds, can't cook, can't clean, doesn't want children, body count that's at minimum 10. ready to settle down at 35. oh i totally deserve a six foot tall, 6 figure, successful man
thank goodness i've not been in the dating game for 5 years. got lucky with a decent person.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

Indeed, which is why you and I are both making value judgements that derive from subjective axioms and self interest. My axioms are the moral order and technical progress are good things, we have thrown down the former and the latter is slowing.

Don't give me this "you and I both" shit. You made claims and the claims are stupid.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

in america alone, 70% of people are fat fucks. this shit is growing thoughout western europe which isnt quite as bad, but people are catching up. east asia and the middle east are also getting fat as well.
then another 20% aren't overweight but are skinnyfat.
basically someone who when wearing a shirt look okay, but when not wearing a shirt , looks like melted cottage cheese.
that last 10% is actually in shape. if you restrict yourself to only fit attractive people, you're gonna have a bad time if you yourself aren't fit and attractive. they'll be seeking out fit and attractive people.
.
like incels who only want instagram model girlfriends. you have woman who want fit tall men.
a lot of people are gonna be in for a bad time on both sides
the west isn't falling because people want attractive partners. wanting an attractive partner is the default. they want attractive partners while having zero redeeming qualities themselves. weigh 250 pounds, bad hygeine, no money, no house. oh i totally deserve an instagram model girlfriend.
same with women. 250 pounds, can't cook, can't clean, doesn't want children, body count that's at minimum 10. ready to settle down at 35. oh i totally deserve a six foot tall, 6 figure, successful man
thank goodness i've not been in the dating game for 5 years. got lucky with a decent person.

I see websites like igotstandardsbro.com which tell you shit like "if you're a woman looking for a 6' man who earns $80k only 3% of US men fulfil that."

Perhaps we should have an equivalent for men. Add some options for body count, etc. Maybe even add in a few options for "muh trad west types" like religion and education background. Maybe vaccine status for the covid conspiracy theorist types