Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Male Idiot]

Nah the germans managed to blitz the french and the polacks at least. US did better in Nam.

So far the only succesful Ukie operation was holding Kiev and sinking a famous ship. This is an abysmal war record very seldom seen.

You don't pause mid offensive for the enemy to refortify and disseminate info. You push and win or die, or just get fragged.

 

[Betonhaus]

Gamers with management experience in flight simulators began to be recruited into PMC "Wagner". Earlier, the media, citing military instructors, wrote that the best drone operators at the front come from gamers.​

If Wagner is planning to focus on using drones, could that mean that they just plan to zerg rush with kamikazi drones in the next offense?

 

[Duke Nukem]

The Soviet Union at least had a massive, and I mean massive, manpower reserve to fall back on to help make up for those mistakes.

Ukraine doesn't.

As much as I despise cults, especially those of the state and those of personality, I gotta admit that kinda thing has its advantages. Of course they ended up losing over 20 million people to the Nazis but hooray Eastern Europe is Red now!

Speaking of communism, there is no small irony in the fact that Karl Marx was a German who lived in Britain, making the ideology that people associate with Russia a "western" product of sorts.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

So far the only succesful Ukie operation was holding Kiev

all they did is not keeping their word after some convincing from BoJo the Clown.

 

[Secret Asshole]

If Wagner is planning to focus on using drones, could that mean that they just plan to zerg rush with kamikazi drones in the next offense?

Seeing the amount of damage Lancets are doing to NATO armor, probably. Like its embarassing how much cash money these drones just annihilated.

 

[Joshuan Moon]

I hate the current administration as much as is legally possible (and even more than that in my heart), but the One China policy dates back to Nixon and is at least partially codified by the Taiwan Relations Act which exists specifically to stop the executive branch from making changes to US policy on Taiwan.

Maybe it's just confusion with the name "One China". Where the US policy, established by the TRA, is not to recognize the ROC as a sovereign nation which would otherwise result in there being two places called China. But the name implies support for the Chinese position that Taiwan is part of China.

It could be the only 5 minutes of reading the Wikipedo summary and I'm missing some key info, but I would contend that the TRA does not require the position of the executive to be "does not support Taiwanese independence". Does supporting independence require the US to facilitate it? Nope! They can support away and still be within the act. They choose not to philosophically support it when they are only precluded from diplomatically supporting it, and you can fault them for that.

Taiwan is probably way better off getting the message very clear that they'll get no support from the US anyway. And they probably don't want us to send them standard issue tactical dilators and veteran DEI lecturers anyway.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

Speaking of communism, there is no small irony in the fact that Karl Marx was a German who lived in Britain, making the ideology that people associate with Russia a "western" product of sorts.

not just that but who sent Lenin to russia? Imperial germany in part to get them out of WW1.

I wonder what was hitler's appraisal of this choice never read anything on that.

 

[Stoneheart]

Seeing the amount of damage Lancets are doing to NATO armor, probably. Like its embarassing how much cash money these drones just annihilated.

They also dominate that field and Nato cant get drones pilots from steam because Gamer words are a big nono. the west also would never allow their new drone force to train on islamists like wagner does in Africa and Syria,

 

[Agent of Z.O.G.]

Fallen soldiers of the 37th Marine Brigade of the AFU

Pornhub medic bag

 

[make_it_so]

not just that but who sent Lenin to russia? Imperial germany in part to get them out of WW1.

I wonder what was hitler's appraisal of this choice never read anything on that.

I believe he wrote about it in Mein Kampf, where he was listing all the dumb and idiotic actions the Imperial General Staff took that cost Germany dearly. I believe another one he ranted about was the refusal to take an early white peace with Russia by continuously insisting that an independent Poland be created as a buffer state - something that was eventually forced on both Germany and Russia in the end anyway.

 

[TheGreatDodongus]

So, for those that don't know, there was a video released yesterday from the Ukrainian side. It was a first person CQC video filmed by Ukr SSO SoF, wherein they infiltrate and clear a Russian trench, with the guy recording shooting and killing at least four men in what I can only describe as some of the most brutal combat footage of the war.

Anyways, it turns out this SSO dude is a mega-fucking-retard who posts  everything on Instagram, including his own face and the faces of his team mates:




AFAIK these guys were trained by American SEALs, which explains their lack of basic PERSEC/OPSEC.

(P.S. Ukraine doesn't have a Nazi problem guys, it's all just cherry picked examples, seriously)

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

A sign of victory is when you exhume bodies to make room for dead soldiers....because opening new cemeteries for the war dead would clue everyone into your staggering casualties.........

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Ukie Bros.......................................................................are we winning yet?

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

Good to know that relying on the US for protection is heavily reliant on if they feel like it or not.

Our entire nation is ZOG's puppet and their current figurehead just ended his last speech with "god save the queen". It's safe to say that actual logic figures nowhere in our military policy...

I'll say it again, the US is too squeamish to do what needed to be done in Afghanistan, aka colonization and extermination OR let the warlord allies run wild and fucking punish Pakistan for their bullshit (finally happened after 2011)

Many years ago my own father dissuaded me from joining the military to kill Arabs in revenge for 9/11 by making it very clear that we did not have the balls to do exactly this to their barbaric suicide cult masquerading as a religion.

Tear down their temples, burn their holy books, ban the public prayer announcements, the age of consent is now 18 and you'll fucking like it, no more harems because women are not Pokemon cards. Enforced by death and burial in bacon grease.

Anything less than that is wasting time. And if that's 'too complicated' to bother doing than just run in and go Bronze Age on their ass: loot everything that can be moved, burn everything that can't be moved, and run off with all their wives and children.

That is what victory in Afghanistan would have taken.

 

[Jump]

That is what victory in Afghanistan would have taken.

There is no such thing as victory in Afghanistan. The only way you could win in Afghanistan is by staying the fuck out of Afghanistan. It is from another time in a different dimension. This is a place that has been this way for 3,000+ years.

I know "Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires" is a popular meme tossed around, but I think its actually empires reach a stage in their lifecycle where they become so full of hubris they think they can actually go in there and tame the place.

 

[Betonhaus]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russian-spy-chief-flags-suspicious-ukrainian-nuclear-activity/ar-AA1cK8Hu

https://archive.is/3di7s

well that's not concerning at all. Seems Operation (ノಥ,_｣ಥ)ノ彡┻━┻ is a go.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

At this point I am cautiously optimistic for a peace deal this year. The Ukrainian offensive has so far provided zero results ( a couple of villages in the security zone don't count). For the first offensive to feature a trailer that has surely been a letdown. NATO talking about improving Ukraine's position at the negatioating table also points towards the fact that they are under no illusions that they can push Russia back to the borders. Delivering F16 also makes sense from that point of view because while they are not going to be a game changer they can provide some additional headache for Russia. There also needs to be something in it for Russia after all.

I have serious doubts that there will ever be a real peace deal. More than likely it will become a frozen conflict akin to the Korean War where neither side can make decent gains during offensives that are worth the squeeze in man and material. Remember this conflict was put on ice because Trump got in office and was very much anti-war when it came to antagonizing Russia in Ukraine or Syria. Artillery duels and modest firing rifles across no-mans-land is all we saw for 5 years or more.

So far the only succesful Ukie operation was holding Kiev and sinking a famous ship

The Moskva was hardly a famous ship, the thing was mothballed for nearly 10 years after the USSR fell apart until the 2000s when it was yanked out of the port it was rusting away in and was reconditioned to "modern" Russian military technology of the mid-late 2000s. The real lesson that NATO obviously will not learn from the Mosvka's sinking, or the war in general, is that big and expensive and in low quantity is bad. This is the first long running war between nation states with sizable modern military since perhaps the Vietnam War, and its showing that NATO is seriously fucked if it cannot gain air superiority, and its questionable if it can do this as ground based Anti-Aircraft weaponry is very effective now. One of the forgotten tidbits of the Vietnam war is just how many pilots and air frames were lost because they were shot down by SAM, if the US/NATO cannot get air superiority in the next conflict for any number of reasons its going to be a very shocking event, these military and society are NOT designed to handle attrition like they did in the World Wars and the shock of getting quagmired in a war like the one in Ukraine would be hard to quantify how drastically it would shatter the social fabric of the US or NATO countries.

 

[Secret Asshole]

There is no such thing as victory in Afghanistan. The only way you could win in Afghanistan is by staying the fuck out of Afghanistan. It is from another time in a different dimension. This is a place that has been this way for 3,000+ years.

I know "Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires" is a popular meme tossed around, but I think its actually empires reach a stage in their lifecycle where they become so full of hubris they think they can actually go in there and tame the place.

And there's really no reason to want to tame it. Its a mountainous shit-hole full of tribes who hate each other just as much as every invader to their lands. Its got hundreds of disparte cultures and is impossible to rule over. Its like if Greece had their city states, but they were all violent psychopaths.

The only way to conquer Afghanistan is to literally fucking genocide it. You'd have to fucking murder every single tribe and person living there, and its not worth the time, effort or blood which is why no one has done it.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russian-spy-chief-flags-suspicious-ukrainian-nuclear-activity/ar-AA1cK8Hu

https://archive.is/3di7s

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well that's not concerning at all. Seems Operation (ノಥ,_｣ಥ)ノ彡┻━┻ is a go.

Dirty Bombs are a meme, but if the Ukies want to escalate, they can do that and become the truly ascended retards of the world. I'd love to see how the propagandists try to fucking spin that one, as a dirty bomb is basically just a terror weapon. Using one basically means you admit you've lost.

Again, I highly doubt this is true, but Russia laying the groundwork just in case to try to avoid blame as a false flag they did themselves (which is retarded). In all honesty this is probably just Russian propaganda to make the Ukies sound desperate enough to resort to terror tactics.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

I'd love to see how the propagandists try to fucking spin that one

"Russia did it! RUSSIA!"

Next question, please.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

Seeing the amount of damage Lancets are doing to NATO armor, probably. Like its embarassing how much cash money these drones just annihilated.

Like watching a French noble on horseback getting smoked by an illiterate English archer.

 

[SIMIΔN]

Taiwan is probably way better off getting the message very clear that they'll get no support from the US anyway. And they probably don't want us to send them standard issue tactical dilators and veteran DEI lecturers anyway.

Acknowledging Beijing holds the One China principle and accepting it are two different kettles of fish. Saying there is one China and saying Beijing represents it are two different stances.
America has been steadily increasing its military support to Taiwan, far more nations accept easy entry of ROC(Taiwan) nationals then they do Chinese.

The Moskva was hardly a famous ship, the thing was mothballed for nearly 10 years after the USSR fell apart until the 2000s when it was yanked out of the port it was rusting away in and was reconditioned to "modern" Russian military technology of the mid-late 2000s.

That's a bit of "Bakhmut was never important" level cope. The Moskva helped provide 8 S300 batteries worth of air support to the southern region, at a time when the Ukranian airforce would otherwise be a viable threat to pro-Moscow forces. It was a real loss, and it is a tragedy how a ship Ukrainian and Russian hands built as brothers ended up destroyed by American organised hatred.

Using one basically means you admit you've lost.

Blowing up a Dam in what the Hohols claim is Ukraine to flood territory what they claim as Ukraine and endangering a Nuclear Powerplant in what they claim as Ukraine wouldn't make sense if they still thought they could drive all the Orkz and other Untermensch out of "Ukraine".
It's spoilsport terrorism plain and simple.