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[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The urbanists hate airplanes because of what they represent. You know how lefties love to seek meaning from everything and analyze life it's a literature 101 class. To them airplanes are too closely associated with freedom and independence. Yes there are many laws that govern general and commercial aviation, but stay within those regulations and as a personal pilot you're able to drive to your rented hanger, file a flight plan for a quick hop to different airport in a totally different region, and enjoy the power of flight.

It is way, way, way worse than that.

There are 500 towered airports in the United States. There are over 20,000 untowered (uncontrolled as they're sometimes called).

You can fly from an untowered airport to another one under VFR (visual, no clouds) flight rules without ever talking to anyone whatsoever. Now, I highly recommend getting flight following anyway (where you file a flight plan and talk to control) because they will help you and if you crash your ass they can help the bodybaggers find your shit. They will route jetliners around your shitty ass Cessna sometimes, if you're nice and polite. And since you're already talking to control you can easily get permission to enter Bravo airspace.

But if you want, you can fly from an untowered airport, stay out of controlled airspace, and fly over the second busiest airport in the USA (a).

Hell, if you personally own a 747, and are a pilot for it, and it's not a commercial operation, and you do not go above 18000 feet, you can fly your damn 747 around without talking to anyone. There are untowered airports with massively long runways, and a bunch of the 500 with towers close down at night but the airport is still available for normal use. Some prohibit use, but not all.

Now most fuckcars autists don't know the above, they just don't like planes because rich people fly them and it shows that ass transit is a fuck.

 

[WelperHelper99]

How could you forget the HondaJet?
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The Honda jet is cool as shit with those mid wing mounted engines. If I had a choice of small jet to fly, I'd want it for the novelty and its long range for its size. Of course Fuckcars would hate them, it's freedom, whimsy, that's why they cheered when Chicago tore up that airstrip.

Any future cities that get built should have MULTIPLE small airstrips inside, imagine taking a plane to get from one end to another? That's transport lol. And a tourist attraction, a way for a city to make money off its own little airline industry

 

[DeadwastePrime]

ities Skylines 2 will not have bikes or bike lanes at launch:

it'll either be patched in eventually or modders will do a better job implementing such a thing

 

[quaawaa]

Any future cities that get built should have MULTIPLE small airstrips inside, imagine taking a plane to get from one end to another? That's transport lol. And a tourist attraction, a way for a city to make money off its own little airline industry

Dallas-Fort Worth is like that because a lot of the cities that now make up the Metroplex had their own airports before they all merged into one giant city. There are also a lot of small private airstrips dotted throughout the metro area.
There's even some neighborhoods with their own runways:

Downtown Dallas also has a public heliport on the roof of their convention center:


I've heard people on /r/fuckcars lament Texan cities for being "carbrained". I can't wait for them to start calling them "planebrained" or whatever other slur they decide to use for aviation.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Dallas-Fort Worth is like that. There are a lot of small private airstrips dotted throughout the metro area.
There's even some neighborhoods with their own runways:
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Now that's infrastructure. Your options of movement basically just doubled. Not to mention in events of natural disaster, you can launch helicopters and spotting planes from these tiny strips, able to get aircraft to the area quickly, possibly even air dropping supplies. The possibilities are endless, yet the bugmen don't see that

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Dallas-Fort Worth is like that. There are a lot of small private airstrips dotted throughout the metro area.
There's even some neighborhoods with their own runways:
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lol

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Now that's infrastructure. Your options of movement basically just doubled. Not to mention in events of natural disaster, you can launch helicopters and spotting planes from these tiny strips, able to get aircraft to the area quickly, possibly even air dropping supplies. The possibilities are endless, yet the bugmen don't see that

counterpoint you sleep where the planes are taking off or landing and thats annoying as shit

 

[DavidS877]

Bravo airspace

For reference Bravo airspace is the areas around the largest airports. San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, (not Portland, fuck Portland), New York, Chicago, Atlanta etc.

And many giant metros have tons of big and small airports.

This is Los Angeles. You'll see all the big airports you recognize but many smaller ones like Compton. Although you'll probably not want to go there lest you find your plane up on blocks and your wheels stolen if you survive the hail of bullets as you come in to land.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

He then shows this map of possible high-speed rail routes for the US despite having spent the rest of the video talking about how only intra-city travel matters when talking about the size of countries:

I actually really like HSR for getting around, but I don't know who these routes are for. Let's take a simple route like LA to Vegas. Outside of LA citizens looking for a weekend getaway or maybe heading to a convention there really isn't any market for it. Even then it would be easier to fly or just drive there. The main reason is that there are no sizable cities between them to expand possible uses and market.

Let's compare the possible route to an HSR route that is similar size (albeit a bit smaller).

Taiwan's HSR makes a lot more sense because there are a bunch of sizable cities serviced by it from one end to the other, so there are millions of possible customers that use it to travel to families, business trips, or go to vacation destinations.

The LA to San Fran may work depending on the stops along the way, but there is still no natural market. Taiwan had lots of train commuters so there was already demand and a customer base for the HSR. But nobody rides the train in California outside of poor or questionable people, so not only is there no market, but alternatives (planes and cars) and a stigma around public transportation working against it.

 

[teriyakiburns]

The LA to San Fran may work depending on the stops along the way, but there is still no natural market.

The I5 runs pretty much between the two.

If I were designing a HSR route in california, I'd run something like san diego -> LA -> Bakersfield -> Fresno -> Modesto and then split the route, with one branch going to san jose and the other to stockton and sacramento. Then I'd have local branches out to nearby towns and cities.

The size of the state isn't a problem as such. The problem is these people not understanding what high speed rail is actually for. They picture it as a replacement for short-haul flights between the major coastal cities, when in an enormous place like california, its purpose would be to provide a travel corridor between multiple smaller cities and one or two majors. Of course, if I'm reading things right, all the cities that would be best served by a high-speed rail project are the sort of places that are populated by icky normies, who might have the wrong opinions about too many things.

 

[DavidS877]

The I5 runs pretty much between the two.

If I were designing a HSR route in california, I'd run something like san diego -> LA -> Bakersfield -> Fresno -> Modesto and then split the route, with one branch going to san jose and the other to stockton and sacramento. Then I'd have local branches out to nearby towns and cities.

The problem with the I5 route is that it's too steep for trains over the Grapevine. So you're stuck with tunnels or going way around(and tunnels).
Then you go through some of the most valuable farmland in the US.
Then you end up at over $128 billion dollars.

Also, they already came up with your idea except without trying to do I-5 direct, partially because of the Grapevine and partially because no one lives on that side of the central valley so there's more customers if they follow 99(more or less).

https://hsr.ca.gov/communications-outreach/info-center/maps/

That first orange section on the map. 171 miles, $35 billion, 2030(maybe), and that's all flat and barely populated.

https://calmatters.org/economy/2023/03/california-high-speed-rail/

https://archive.ph/VfS8s

 

[teriyakiburns]

That first orange section on the map. 171 miles, $35 billion, 2030(maybe), and that's all flat and barely populated.

that level of cost inflation usually means most of the money is disappearing into brown envelopes.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

that level of cost inflation usually means most of the money is disappearing into brown envelopes.

brown envelopes, brown people, same difference.

high speed rail is a distraction, even for the carfuckers, because it has absolutely nothing to do with commuting (sure, there's some idiot who lives and commutes by plane or HSR but he's a far outlier). Even in Japan I bet there's not many, as Shinkansen has about as many as the airlines did.

commuter rail is the key, and ONCE you have built up an actual usable rail network (read: no niggers) you can then layer HSR on top of it.

If california had improved the LOSSAN corridor instead of cucking around with the stupid HSR route, they'd have already taken many cars off the road.

It's all so obviously stupid

 

[DavidS877]

If california had improved the LOSSAN corridor instead of cucking around with the stupid HSR route, they'd have already taken many cars off the road.

It's all so obviously stupid

I took the train to LA once as I wanted to try out public transit. On my end there was no useful transit to the Metrolink station so I drove and parked. Then got on the train and watched it get passed by traffic on I-5. Then got to the downtown LA station and had to try and to get to the suburb I was working in on LA public transit. And then do the whole thing coming home a week later.

For any future trips I just drove, it was far less hassle.

This was before the 'enrichment' of LA in the last few years, not sure I'd even consider it now.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I took the train to LA once as I wanted to try out public transit. On my end there was no useful transit to the Metrolink station so I drove and parked. Then got on the train and watched it get passed by traffic on I-5. Then got to the downtown LA station and had to try and to get to the suburb I was working in on LA public transit. And then do the whole thing coming home a week later.

For any future trips I just drove, it was far less hassle.

This was before the 'enrichment' of LA in the last few years, not sure I'd even consider it now.

totally agree, the only way the surfliner is usable is if you have cars on both ends lol, and you're traveling at peak traffic (and even then you will lose to a car, but you can sleep or post on kiwifarms from the train)

which strikes to another heart of how the bugmen are unnatural; they have no friends or family. Like most people, especially actual urban poor, have a whole list of people who will give them a ride or whatever if needed, and pick them up at the other end of a train trip.

bugmen have nothing, if they can't hire some asshole in sillyvalley to send some slave to pretend to be a friend, they're fucked.

literally look at the big names: uber (friend who will drop you off or pick you up), doordash (friend who will grab food for you), etc.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

The LA to San Fran may work depending on the stops along the way, but there is still no natural market. Taiwan had lots of train commuters so there was already demand and a customer base for the HSR. But nobody rides the train in California outside of poor or questionable people, so not only is there no market, but alternatives (planes and cars) and a stigma around public transportation working against it.

The whole stigma of public transportation in the U.S. is the New York Subway's fault, which has been a shithole almost consistently (except for maybe a few years in the 1990s and 2000s). Now all public transportation systems are in sharp decline, and the fuckcars crew can't even mount a good defense beyond "RAYCISS" and "lol amerifats".

counterpoint you sleep where the planes are taking off or landing and thats annoying as shit

No one in those private neighborhoods is going to have anyone landing at night unless it's an emergency. These are private airstrips, not "gotta catch the 3am red-eye to Istanbul" airports.

Then they will buy a house in the suburbs because they claim they're doing it out of necessity because capitalism.

That's what's happening in Austin. The "don't expand highways because induced demand, everyone will live in the pod city instead" actually results in "pod city becomes too expensive, bug people priced out and moved to suburbs". There's obvious other fuckery at play, but decades of being "too cool to expand infrastructure" has resulted in the chickens coming home to roost.

Which directly goes to show that other ass transit is not fast, cheap, or safe (or some combination of the three) and so they shy away from it, because airports are niggerfree zones.

They're also surrounded by parking lots. Have you noticed how they also hate park and rides at transit centers, despite them doing exactly what they claim they want (reducing cars in city centers, getting people to ride and support trains, etc.)?

 

[quaawaa]

That's what's happening in Austin. The "don't expand highways because induced demand, everyone will live in the pod city instead" actually results in "pod city becomes too expensive, bug people priced out and moved to suburbs". There's obvious other fuckery at play, but decades of being "too cool to expand infrastructure" has resulted in the chickens coming home to roost.

You'll find a similar story in every city with high housing prices around the world. Despite their constant talk of "increasing affordability", implementing urbanist policies (like stopping road expansion and house construction) is the fastest way to make housing unaffordable and commutes long.

The average Houstonian has much cheaper housing than the average New Yorker, but Houston is a "poorly" designed city and New York is a "well-designed" city. I'm sure it's all Robert Moses' fault that NYC is expensive and most people have long commutes:

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[Bowl of Ramen]

Of course Fuckcars would hate them, it's freedom, whimsy, that's why they cheered when Chicago tore up that airstrip.

I just wanted to pop in and appreciate you remembering the fair Meigs Field. Sadly, she lives now only in our dreams and flight sims.

Trying hard to not power level, but I can’t begin to describe how awesome the HondaJet is close up and personal. I love watching the test flights - I think I’ve seen the entire color palette. lol

 

[DavidS877]

No one in those private neighborhoods is going to have anyone landing at night unless it's an emergency. These are private airstrips, not "gotta catch the 3am red-eye to Istanbul" airports.

Oddly enough the only time I've ever been woken up in the middle of the night by a local airport was by the local air ambulance. I know they had cargo flights early as well, but they tend not to fly right over the top of your house like helicopters seem to enjoy doing.

And having had both, I prefer the occasional air ambulance helicopter to the FUCKING TRAIN.

 

[quaawaa]

An actual female posted on /r/fuckcars, joining in on the trend of taking self-portraits in front of pickup trucks:


This is the type of woman who calls herself "daddyslittle-lolita" and posts on /r/fuckcars:

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The cyclist fears the offroad tire:

and they can't handle Monster Jam:

Someone actually tried to tell them the truth:

Spoiler: Urban vehicle shorter than an entire human being

More advocating for vandalism:

They downvoted him because he spoke the truth:

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