Progressives are minting conservatives

Progressives are minting conservatives

A lot of rhetoric on the left is proving to be unpersuasive — and even alienating.

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The graphic novel “Gender Queer,” a memoir of sexual and gender identity written and illustrated by Maia Kobabe, has been described as the “most banned book in the country.” A flashpoint in the current culture war over the content of school libraries and curricula, it is at once celebrated and despised. Liberal commentators describe it as groundbreaking and essential, a work of art that helps struggling young people to feel seen; conservatives denounce it as pornographic and demand its removal from children’s spaces.

Almost all the objections to “Gender Queer” center on a single page that appears about two-thirds of the way through the book. If you’ve followed this controversy online, you’ve probably seen the illustration in question. If you’ve only heard about it via cable or traditional news, then you probably haven’t — at least not without a censor’s blur in front. This is because the scene depicts a moment in which the protagonist and a partner experiment with a strap-on dildo.

As illustrated acts of kink go, the one in “Gender Queer” is unmistakable, but not especially sexy. You can see far more titillating and explicit works in the collection of 15th-century Japanese erotic woodcuts at the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston.

Still, though: It’s racy. Enough so that the page can’t be shown on TV, not even in the late-night hours when the Federal Communications Commission’s obscenity regulations are relaxed; enough so that I can’t name the sex act in question without playing an elaborate game of charades to avoid running afoul of the Globe’s editorial standards. (Hint: It rhymes with “whoa, bob.”) And while reasonable people can disagree on whether the scene qualifies as pornography per se, the fact that this is a debatable point at all is revealing in its own right. Once you’re haggling over whether an illustrated sex act is dictionary-definition pornographic, surely you’ve already ceded the point of whether it’s appropriate for children.

In a less fractious, less polarized moment, this is where the debate would end. It is possible to imagine a world in which “Let’s not stock the [rhymes-with-whoa-bob] comic book in the middle school library” is not a controversial statement. Alas, we don’t live in that world. Instead, we live in a world where not only are we locked in a stalemate over whether the [rhymes-with-whoa-bob] book belongs in the middle school library, but the way you answer this question determines your side in the culture war at large. That is: If you believe that illustrated depictions of a person getting a you-know-what while wearing a you-know-what are best reserved for adult readers, you must be a conservative . . . or worse.

Objections by parents to “Gender Queer” and other sexually explicit books are frequently characterized in media coverage as stemming from hatred or bigotry. One New York Times article quoted a PEN America director who ascribed the controversy to “anti LGBTQ+ backlash.” Similar criticisms are leveled at the parents’ rights movement that is challenging the teaching of race, gender, and sexuality in US schools. Earlier this month, a council member in Montgomery County, Md., publicly described Muslim families who were protesting mandatory LGBTQ-related curriculum in their local elementary school as ideologically aligned with “white supremacists and outright bigots.”

In this sense, the controversy is bigger than just one book, or even just the book-banning issue. It speaks to a broader sense that the left, having emerged triumphant from the culture wars that defined the 1990s and early aughts, is now staking out a new and far more radical set of positions on matters of race, gender, and sexuality. The disorientation resulting from this rapid leftward shift seems to be reflected by a new Gallup poll, in which 38 percent of respondents identified themselves as conservative on social issues. This is the strongest showing for conservatives in more than 10 years, and a 5-point increase since 2022.

Although Gallup polls are phone surveys and hence may suffer from a certain amount of selection bias (for instance, they may be unlikely to reflect the views of younger people who rarely answer their phones), there’s reason to think that this one captured something real. Identifying your location on the liberal-conservative spectrum is difficult when the spectrum itself is rapidly shifting beneath your feet. Within the past few years — dating roughly to the election of Donald Trump and its ensuing impact on American progressive politics — there has been a marked rise in declarations of political homelessness from people who feel untethered from their liberal identity even as their values remain unchanged. “The left left me,” as the saying goes.

This is all happening at a moment when politics is increasingly defined by negative polarization and a with-us-or-against-us mindset in which anyone who doesn’t fully support every last tenet of a given ideology is deemed a member of the loathed outgroup. We saw how this played out in 2016 with Republicans who wouldn’t get on board the Trump train, but it is also how lifelong liberals — the kind who have been voting Democratic for more than 20 years and believe passionately in free speech, legalized drug use, abortion rights, criminal justice reform, universal health care, and LGBTQ equality — can suddenly find themselves nonconsensually categorized as far-right fascists (or the dangerous enablers thereof) for being critical of this or that new left orthodoxy. Even the words “liberal,” “conservative,” “left,” and “right” have been disassociated from anything so concrete as party affiliation or policy preference; instead, they denote what we’re against. A liberal is a person who is anti-conservative; a right-winger is anti-left.

And as for the issues, the current vogue is to stake out whichever position renders us diametrically opposed to our perceived ideological enemies — even when that position is, not to put too fine a point on it, phenomenally stupid. This oppositional-defiant mindset became ascendant during the pandemic, in which liberal support for the COVID shots led conservatives to refuse to be vaccinated, while Donald Trump’s support for reopening schools caused a reactionary left to double down on keeping them closed indefinitely. But now, it’s everywhere. If the other guy loves it, we hate it; if the other guy hates it, we’ll take all you’ve got. This is how a bespoke Bud Light can featuring the face of trans TikTok influencer Dylan Mulvaney sparked a mass backlash from conservatives who all but boycotted the brand into submission. This is why Dave Chappelle’s recent comedy specials were panned by liberal critics and yet earned raves from normie audiences.

And this is why, if conservatives don’t want a sexually explicit comic book in the school library, suddenly it becomes a matter of national urgency to liberals that every child be able to read it.

For some people, the ones who root for their chosen political party with the same loyal fervor they do their hometown baseball team, I would imagine none of this seems especially problematic. Even if you don’t necessarily agree with something coming from your political tribe, it’s not so hard to pretend otherwise. After all, how important is the presence (or absence) of any one book in a school library, really? Why not just go along to get along?

And yet the outsize role that controversies like this play in the cultural discourse suggests that it does matter, at least in principle. It is difficult, when you believe something isn’t true, to pretend you think it is. It is also alienating to be told that you must pretend — actively, vocally, publicly — if you’re to remain in good standing with your political tribe. Even people who would never in a million years vote for a Republican candidate tend to get rankled by the notion that they are required to espouse beliefs they don’t hold or risk getting kicked out of the liberal clubhouse.

There’s no shortage of reasons why this is a troubling trend. Among other things, it isn’t making any of us any smarter. But if you are (as I am) alarmed by the prospect of Donald Trump winning a second term in the White House, this trend’s impact on electoral politics seems particularly worth considering. The reactionary bent of our current political discourse has led progressives to adopt various positions that most people simply don’t find persuasive and that many would be reluctant to vote for. Organizing third-graders into racially segregated affinity groups, deriding things like literacy and punctuality as “white supremacy culture,” enabling the social transitioning by teachers of gender-questioning children without their parents’ knowledge: These things make normal people nervous, and you can only shut them down with shrieks of “racist,” “fascist,” or “transphobe” so many times before those words lose their power.

It is also probably not a coincidence that this penchant for rhetorical overreach on the left comes alongside a loss of trust in virtually every institution in which liberals currently wield power, from academia to media, public health to public schools. And while that loss of faith may be mainly manifesting right now as mere skepticism of certain progressive orthodoxies, it’s unlikely to end there. Indeed, the latest Gallup poll suggests that given a binary option — as we are in the voting booth — the stridency of our current moment will eventually be met with backlash, in the form of a population-level shift toward conservatism.

This is how it unfolds: First you lose trust. Then you lose elections.
 
Indeed, the Muslim council decision at Hammtramck to not put the Pride flag at any public building was a warning they should have listened.
That’s not a warning they didn’t listen to, it’s the consequence. There’s just a certain amount of inertia that needs to be overcome before broiling public sentiment spills into real-world action. “One day, for no reason at all, the all-Muslim city council banned pride flags from city property”.
 
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Identifying your location on the liberal-conservative spectrum is difficult when the spectrum itself is rapidly shifting beneath your feet.
I'm tired to death of this shit.

The Overton window is not the political landscape. It is a window on the landscape that is the political "map".

You do not "become" a conservative by not changing your positions. You can be conservative relative to someone else, or the Overton window of the society you're in, but you are not in and of yourself now "a conservative".

For instance, I am one such person that would be considered by the current establishment's view of what is and isn't acceptable as "conservative" but I am by no means a conservative in actuality. Nor will I be, for that matter.

I point this shit out, and I think more people should too, because as much as I may disagree with conservatives I very much fucking hate this new trend of calling people like Sargoy of Cuckkad and Tim Pool "right wing" due to this fucking abominably retarded misconception of what the Overton window is and how it relates to a person's absolute, rather than relative position on the political compass.

TL;DR: Nobody is "minting" conservatives. This rhetorical trick is convincing people en masse that the newest "stop here" mark on the right-wing has moved. This is the process that has repeated itself for decades and has now landed us unironic conservative talking/figure heads defending fucking gay marriage.
 
in which liberal support for the COVID shots led conservatives to refuse to be vaccinated
That has zero to do with my refusal to be vaccinated and shows a severe lack of understanding of why people have lost faith in the system. When you declare for decades that bodily autonomy is sacrosanct and "my body, my choice" is your mantra, then you say that only applies to abortion, you can go fuck yourself.
 
I went from "gay marriage is fine" to "Hitler had some good ideas" thanks to Progressives.
Same. You can only get told how evil you are, how you and your kind need to die off, and how kids need to be shown porn in schools by someone named burg, witz, or stein so many times before you start thinking maybe Hitler was right.
 
Are they actual conservatives or stonetoss conservatives?
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Because "I support gay marriage, adult troons, drag queens, but child strip shows are going too far!" isn't conservative, its just a heretical liberal.
 
And again, they miss the fucking point.

Most people's political beliefs typically don't fall into either camp really. Most people just like to live their life unimpeded and rebel against any politics that intrude. If rightoid politics are too much, they'll push left. If libtards are too much, they'll push right. This has always been the majority of America. Its very flexible. Its why people like Matt Walsh think people are becoming 'conservative' so he pushes his censorship shit identical to the left and then is absolutely shocked, shocked when his shit gets pushed in by his 'supporters' when its revealed he has nowhere near as much support for his other positions as he thought. Matt Walsh only has support because people are tired of troonery. Otherwise people would mock the dumb motherfucker because, unsurpisingly, Matt Walsh is a dumb faggot.

Most people simply want to go about their existence unimpeded. I don't know why this is so fucking hard to understand. The point is that people are tired of progressivism, don't believe in it and are pushing back. This does NOT mean they are conservatives or conservative allies. I'm not conservative, I wish for the death of global capitalism and American empire. In no way shape or form could I be considered a conservative, but I am tired of the progressive left. People are retarded, but they're also complicated and generally, politics has not consumed most people.

This is the problem with both sides, largely. Most people want to be left the fuck alone, enjoy their lives. What we're seeing is the reaction to an ever intrusive political zeitgeist that is no longer being tolerated. But it is not because progressives are making anyone conservative. This is fundamental to understand. America is the most bread and circus nation to have ever existed, but people are still determined to remove both on both sides. It is absolutely insane to me.
 
Online politics addicts tend to forget that there is a huge population of normal people out there, and these are the people who swing elections. It's not necessarily that their beliefs are between left and right imo, these people don't have as ideological a view of the world as the politics addicts. So they don't think about where their beliefs lie on a left/right spectrum. It's more that they are people whose beliefs are more fluid than people who make loyalty to a political camp their entire personality. So they might be able to be persuaded to take up either left wing or right wing positions if you approach them properly.

Trump getting elected was a shot in the arm for the left. He was weird in a way that alienated enough people that they were willing to overlook the fact that the democratic candidate was a man whose brain is so rotten he doesn't know what day it is. But democrats have gotten so high off their own farts that they've just kind of assumed that this is permanent. So instead of trying to persuade people to stay on the left they just want to bully them for not being progressive enough. And if/when that doesn't work it will just feed their victim complex over how racist/sexist/homo/transphobic Americans are anyway.

Democrats hate Trump because he doesn't have the good manners that a politician is supposed to have. I seriously think that's why he gets under their skin so much more than any other Republican. So they kind of forget that the reason he got elected in the first place is people were sick of all cookie cutter NPC politicians who cared way more about decorum than anything else. Including those in the Republican party, democrats don't understand how much republicans hate RINOs because they can't imagine standing up to the politicians in their own party. And now that they're back in power they are making the same mistake by reminding people how dogshit cookie cutter politicians are.

I don't know that I'm the person who should be making predictions about what happens next. When Biden got the nomination I thought "well the democrats have screwed themselves, there's no way Americans are dumb enough to vote for someone this obviously retarded." Not to mention someone who has a history of opposing the things he now claims to support. But people just didn't care. Hatred of Trump was enough to override that. And I just don't know that's going to be true a second time around. Because democrats just can't hide how much they hate people who don't submit to them completely.
 
What is with the reddit-tier "unaliving" type juvenile euphemisms, here? Whoa Bob? How did they describe the issues at play with Clinton and Lewinski? Surely they covered that story. Whatever terms they used to describe that affair could be used to describe that book's imagery, instead of this stupid coy playing around. (Most outlets went with "oral sex" and my kid brother thought it meant calling 1-900 lines.)
 
What is with the reddit-tier "unaliving" type juvenile euphemisms, here? Whoa Bob? How did they describe the issues at play with Clinton and Lewinski? Surely they covered that story. Whatever terms they used to describe that affair could be used to describe that book's imagery, instead of this stupid coy playing around. (Most outlets went with "oral sex" and my kid brother thought it meant calling 1-900 lines.)
Rape is a trigger word, so stating "Bill Clinton raped Monica Lewinsky" would be offensive to them, even if the statement is a fact.

Yaking offense is not because they have been raped; they are troons, who would want to rape them? No, because they have been raped in their heart.
 
This cunt realizes this just now? bitch your kind has been driving other libs away since gaymergays
You can see far more titillating and explicit works in the collection of 15th-century Japanese erotic woodcuts at the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston.
Yeah but we dont put those in school books, not even in japan you dumb bitch
and yet earned raves from normie audiences.
FFS you're a journo and you're using 'normie'?

>yoga instructor

Who let the THOT into the newspaper?
i feel like i've been taking crazy pills the last seven years
Just seven?
with a dash of Cyberpunk. (Not a coincidence that 2077 and the franchise is set there)
Nigga its in commiefornia because the original cyberpunk 2022 from the late 80s was there too, that guy pondfish saw the shit coming all the way back then
That’s not a warning they didn’t listen to, it’s the consequence. There’s just a certain amount of inertia that needs to be overcome before broiling public sentiment spills into real-world action. “One day, for no reason at all, the all-Muslim city council banned pride flags from city property”.
You have to talk to these faggots, they truly deeply believed that people who are straight out of the bronze age (or before since arabs were the barbarians of the region) would turn on a dime abandon everything about their culture and religion and become rootless ultragays burning the koran while pegging eachother with strapons

Most minorities are waaaaaaay more conservative than whites and jews, they might vote democrats but only for the gibs and greencards, the moment that runs out they will vote conservative, its already happening in minority communities that no longer need greencards nor gibs
No offense but the way amerilardia is going by 2040 you might be some else's 66th province
 
Rape is a trigger word, so stating "Bill Clinton raped Monica Lewinsky" would be offensive to them, even if the statement is a fact.

Yaking offense is not because they have been raped; they are troons, who would want to rape them? No, because they have been raped in their heart.
No one alleged that he raped her. The scandal was that she blew him in the Oval Office and then he lied about it under oath. There was a blue dress and some cigars involved as well.

Man I wish I could forget that era but it was branded into my consciousness.
 
Jesus....Tapdancing....CHRIST!!!!!


Progressives are minting Conservatives because they've proven the Conservatives dead right about their wanting to fuck kids and make homosex mandatory. You can ride on a "right side of history" narrative for years, but sooner or later it has to end, either because you start going after the children (putting the future of society at risk,) tanking birth rates (putting the future of society at risk,) or you drive society into the ground via social policies that incentivize parasitism and disincentivize productivity.
They've proven every church mom warning right. Every single goddamn one.
 
No one alleged that he raped her. The scandal was that she blew him in the Oval Office and then he lied about it under oath. There was a blue dress and some cigars involved as well.

Man I wish I could forget that era but it was branded into my consciousness.
Wasn't slick willy accused of actual rape but they focused everything hard on the Lewinski thing since that was consensual to kabuki theater away from the really evil shit?
 
This is fundamental to understand. America is the most bread and circus nation to have ever existed, but people are still determined to remove both on both sides. It is absolutely insane to me.
Umm, excuse me, sweaty, we're going to have to be taking that white supremacist bread away, and yikes, those circuses are problematic. You're going to have to learn to be a better person. Here, have this cricket flour cracker instead, and for entertainment, have this re-imagineered beloved franchise, but with 500% more minority involvement!
No one alleged that he raped her. The scandal was that she blew him in the Oval Office and then he lied about it under oath. There was a blue dress and some cigars involved as well.
No one credible alleged that, but Juanita Broaddrick did, then admitted it was a lie, then claimed she was lying when she said she was lying and re-alleged it, etc. There were also outright schizos who made such accusations.

It's more or less established fact that he did sexually harass numerous women, though, and is at best a sex pest.
 
The graphic novel “Gender Queer,” a memoir of sexual and gender identity written and illustrated by Maia Kobabe, has been described as the “most banned book in the country.”
No it isn't you disingenuous fucktard. It can still being distributed to, and can be purchased, everywhere in the country without punishment. That is hardly a "banned" book.
 
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