Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Otterly]

6 billion is nothing to someone like Prigozhin. Only way he joined the West is if he's getting to control Ukraine as some shadowy behind the scenes guy after the war, or maybe if he gets to join WEF and Bilderberg. The former isn't happening since the bankers are already in control, the latter isn't happening since the WEF doesn't want Putin 2.0.

Some western slime all will have told him that if he just slips the knife into Vlad then they will all back him and and he will get to keep all, or some, of Vlad’s toys.
Since the entire conflict was started by the west telling Ukraine that ‘yeah just get rid of your nukes we have your back go poke Vlad’ that is kind of ironic
I’m hearing people cheering these guys on - really, you want the guy running fucking Wagner in charge? When you see everyone take their private jets with transponders off you’ll know it’s bad

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

Remember Surkov specialised in mindgames, and creating a situation that was pure confusion...

This isn't a mind game.

This is a real disintegration.

I watched the speech. Putin looked royally pissed and not the least bit nervous. He was animated and had the demeanor of a riled up cobra. "Fidgeting" lol.

And then video of a truck being blown up with no authentication regarding source so colour me skeptical. There's been no authenticated reports of any violence except claims, via Telegram, that a couple of helicopters have been shot down. When things kick off we'll know it but so far not a lot is happening.

A lot is happening. It's been happening

 

[IKOL]

IS the Shizo uprisisng still going on

Yes and apparently any attempt to stop the columns were proven... less than succesful, they are in Lipetsk as of now, they're heading to Moscow.

 

[JamusActimus]

The Russian state was happy when niggers did the same thing.

Now they realize that they are niggers also.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Happening is in progress. The happening will continue.

You cannot control it, you cannot stop it.

The ride never ends.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

I saw video a week or so ago where Wagner going off the reservation was briefly discussed by Scot Ritter, in a small bit of the total video. Ritter claimed Putin would squash Wagner/Prigozhin easily, so Prigozhin better watch his step. Wish I could remember which video it was at this point, it would doubtless be good for a chuckle.

One thing Ritter did say was that Russian conscripts and even volunteers have to buy a lot of their own gear, but that Wagner does a pretty good of providing that stuff to all who sign up, as standard issue. Even convicts. Whether the Russian military just doesn't have the funds or whether said funds are being diverted into certain pockets Ritter noted but wasn't sure. Probably a bit of both, I'd imagine, but it was something I hadn't personally seen discussed elsewhere.

And note that Ritter is about as pro-Russian a pundit as you're likely to find.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Yes and apparently any attempt to stop the columns were proven... less than succesful, they are in Lipetsk as of now, they're heading to Moscow.

ETA 6 hours from now.

 

[01169]

really, you want the guy running fucking Wagner in charge?

I mean obviously him rather than Putin. Prigozhin may be crafty and even a bit charismatic enough to run a successful mercenary company and maybe would strike a good figure as a regional governor somewhere. Who knows? But everybody knows what Putin is capable of. Least of it is running a major superpower for what 3 decades now?

They've shown that they can't handle the Vlad but they must think they can handle practically anyone else.

 

[Mad Mamba]

Speaking as someone who doesn't especially care for Putin but cares substantially less for Zelensky; if Wagner Group DOES successfully stage a coup of Russia, will this be the end of the war, or will they carry on but with more competent leadership? At this point I don't care what happens to Russia, I just want Ukraine to fall apart and for the entire WEF-sponsored foreverwar to go in the opposite direction than (((they))) wanted.

 

[sodaboard]

ETA 6 hours from now.

more than enough time for a missile or two to btfo the convoy, unless meme master prigozhin has somehow convinced the entire RAF that he should be king of the vatniks and orders them to stand down.

Speaking as someone who doesn't especially care for Putin but cares substantially less for Zelensky; if Wagner Group DOES successfully stage a coup of Russia, will this be the end of the war, or will they carry on but with more competent leadership? At this point I don't care what happens to Russia, I just want Ukraine to fall apart and for the entire WEF-sponsored foreverwar to go in the opposite direction than (((they))) wanted.

they'll most likely keep the land they already have and negotiate a peace treaty that ukraine can seethe about all day since they won't get an inch back, or just go no-lube-balls-deep and take a shit on kiev to end this gay war.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

they'll most likely keep the land they already have and negotiate a peace treaty that ukraine can seethe about all day since they won't get an inch back, or just go no-lube-balls-deep and take a shit on kiev to end this gay war.

Prigozhin has been calling for option two for months now. Mass mobilization, martial law in the entire country, transferring the economy to a war footing.

 

[demicolon]

Fucking finally something happens, the last year was both paced and entertaining as turtle porn.

Prighozin would complain all the time how incompetent the army command was, and seeing as how reluctant the army is to attack Wagner I guess he wasn't talking out of his ass.

 

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

Speaking as someone who doesn't especially care for Putin but cares substantially less for Zelensky; if Wagner Group DOES successfully stage a coup of Russia, will this be the end of the war, or will they carry on but with more competent leadership? At this point I don't care what happens to Russia, I just want Ukraine to fall apart and for the entire WEF-sponsored foreverwar to go in the opposite direction than (((they))) wanted.

If there's little bloodshed, he'll probably carry on to the degree of trying to end the war with the securing of a land bridge to basically present himself as someone who had worked to secure Russia's territorial integrity whilst also ending the overall war. Basically if he or his allies wish to even hold any remote sense of power it would be embarassing and an awful beginning of his reign to just give up all the territory that Russia has invested heavily into trying to take. It's not a good game plan. The most logical way would be to cripple Ukraine's ability to wage war in the east and it has been constantly measured that there are a series of bridges that could be taken out to achieve this. The idea of going towards a total war would be unpopular, sure he may have been in favor of this but this is not the type of thing you do when trying to take power. It ain't a good game plan. He may have popularity now, but that would instantly dispose it down the shitter.

 

[Odd Opossum]

Remember Surkov specialised in mindgames, and creating a situation that was pure confusion...

Q-Anon and trusting the plan has been a godsend for people who want to deny reality.

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

Extra funny given how much Wagner was lionized the past 1+ years...

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

DEFINITELY YOU SHOULD READ THIS . OMG SHIT IS GOING DOWN
the post is longer than feminists screeds about whitey and men bad so i just give excerpt here. Its written by a russian who was sceptical that russian coruption wont fuck shit up and has been translating most of prigosin rants he believes they arent rants of scizo boomer .

https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/i-told-you-so

Here is the short and dirty sequence of events that led to this.

1. The Tuvan gangster running the MoD forced through a decree demanding that Wagner and all militias and PMCs bend the knee to him. I predicted that this would end badly.
2. Prigozhin publicly stated that he would not comply and began raising support among his own men and other outfits
3. The doddering little guy in the Kremlin that some allege is the President of Russia came out on the side of Shoigu at his presser
4. Prigozhin releases yet another, final video lambasting the MoD and telling the dirty truth about this Not-War (working on the translation for tomorrow)
5. The MoD allegedly bombs Wagner’s positions after, presumably, negotiations with Prigozhin broke down (MoD denies this)
6. FSB announces warrant for Prigozhin’s arrest
7. Prigozhin declares that he will fight, moves in on Rostov, takes over the SMO HQ
8. MoD helicopters start getting shot down. So far three are rumored to be downed, one plane (unlikely)
9. Wagner moves north on Voronezh and soldiers there lay down arms
10. Putin condemns Wagner as traitors in video address
11. Moscow declares state of emergency and anti-terrorism operation/regime
12. Putin condemns Wagner as traitors in video address
13. Wagner begins advance on Moscow
14. The national guard is being scrambled in Moscow, men being sent out to meet Wagner before they get to Moscow

Now, this is the very short and dirty list. Every single point on this list is worth an article explaining how it went down. But we cannot lose sight of the forest for the trees now that the situation is developing dynamically.

The most pressing question on everyone’s minds is, of course, does Wagner have a chance? The answer may surprise you.

…

YES.​

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SHHHHHHH!!!! Shut your traps for once and actually hear me out on this one before you write out your angry replies. Consider the following:

• They have taken the time to prepare for this as evidenced by all the preparations for the march that occurred prior to it, that I reported on
• They are mercenaries, not hopeless romantics, which means they wouldn’t agree to a risky operation if they didn’t think they had a chance
• The Russian army is weak, deployed along the front, very slow and uncoordinated and demoralized, while Wagner is professional, has nothing to lose at this point and is moving very fast
• If Wagner truly only has 25k men like Prigozhin has said, that doesn’t mean that others won’t join up in the coming days
• The FSB has an army of about half a million people all over Russia, true. Unfortunately for them, most of these agents are glorified mall cops that won’t stand a chance against actual battle-hardened mercenaries
• Wagner’s commanders are far better than Shoigu’s generals: Utkin and Lotus are legends that we have covered on this blog before.

I put Wagner’s odds at pulling off a full coup at a solid and very scientific 14%. Actually, the real deciding factor for a successful coup is whether or not they have friends inside of Moscow. Clearly, as I have proven before, they do. So, actually, the better question is, will their friends within the Kremlin come through for them?

What is happening now is literally a repeat of the Kiev campaign.

Wagner is making a dash towards Moscow with the assumption that someone will open the gates of the city to them. There is literally no point in moving on Moscow otherwise. Do I have to state the obvious? They are not going to be able to storm Europe’s largest city with 20k men. That is not the plan, clearly. When they arrive there, they expect someone to step up to the plate and deliver.

Whether or not this will happen is, of course, up in the air.

Also, the actual power-holders in Russia, the oligarchs, are mum so far on the topic. Except for Khodarkovsky, the exiled oligarch in London that is, who came out on Wagner’s side. With a few more oligarchs on his side, preferably with actual power in Russia, Prigozhin will have a fair shot at securing the W.

 

[YumeNoHero]

I really like where this is heading to. Fasten your seatbelts and enjoy the coming time of slavic lulz.

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

Q-Anon and trusting the plan has been a godsend for people who want to deny reality.

This is why the Ukraine people are so irritating. Most people in this thread are not very pro Russian if at all. People just want to remain skeptical and figure out what's actually happening since there is a clear fog of war in play here. You go to the damb Ukraine thread and it's filled with nothing but saying how fucked Russia is and I frankly I have no idea if that is the case or not because no one wants to tell the truth. Being on this damn website should teach you not to instantly take things at face value. It's also retarded to take sides when this war has ruined everything for everyone.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

The most pressing question on everyone’s minds is, of course, does Wagner have a chance? The answer may surprise you.

…

YES.​

This is something a lot of people don't quite understand in either of the threads, much less the normies.

Wagner has a chance because what we are seeing here isn't a revolutionary coup or a complete flip of ideological stance or anything like that. This coup is more about a change in leadership than any sort of shake up to the fundamentals of the Russian State. The actual conscripts and foot soldiers aren't being asked to take some big stance, this is a internal matter for the top people.

Wagner isn't looking to do some massive swap. Both Pirog and Putin don't care if the mayor of a town isn't gonna get involved or tries and stay neutral. This means that the bar for success is much lower and Wagner has much less risks to take.

 

[IamnottheNSA]

Happening is in progress. The happening will continue.

You cannot control it, you cannot stop it.

The ride never ends.

Yesterday I left the city for my dacha, hundreds of kilometers away to the west, blissfuly unaware of what's happening. The trip took longer than expected though because two lanes out of three on the road out of the city were blocked by the police, leaving only 1 lane open.
Back then I didn't know what was that about, as there were no crashed cars, and I still have some doubts about it now, but still.