Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

With what force though? The frontlines would have at least a day's supply on hand still anyway
But if the rebellion was real, they could have easily crushed the army when it runs out of reinforcements. They had a low risk high reward situation and they didn't even try it (whether or not it would have ultimately succeeded).
and Retard P was on record saying they were not interfering with shipments anyway.
P is basically a woman on her period, and was apparently hostile (to Ukraine's enemies) besides. There was no reason to believe he wouldn't get a mood swing, especially if his demands weren't quickly met.
The fact that Ukraine seems incapable of exploiting a massive distraction like this just makes them even more incompetent.
Exactly my point.
 
Okay, can anyone clue me in why Ukraine didn't take advantage of the fact that Wagner cut the army from supply? They could have caused a lot of damage and nobody would ever let Russia live it down
Why would Ukraine risk it? Keep in mind that a massive Ukrainian offensive across the front could have stopped the infighting dead in their tracks. And that is assuming they even had the troops in position to throw everything in it at such short notice. Considering they are regrouping the forces they probably hadn't.

Make no mistake, Russia looks like absolute clowns now and Ukraine did not even have to sacrifice a single soldier for it.
My scorching hot take is that the west offered Prigozhin x billion dollars, total amnesty, etc. to turn against Putler.
If the coup had suceeded it would have certainly been interesting watching the Wests reaction to it. They complain a lot about Putin but the reality is they are a lot of people in Russia that you want in control even less.
Was all of that really just a big psyop to move Wagner forces into the north and move Chechens to the south?
No. I swear the biggest psyop being run right now is that everything is a psyop.
 
Okay, can anyone clue me in why Ukraine didn't take advantage of the fact that Wagner cut the army from supply? They could have caused a lot of damage and nobody would ever let Russia live it down
We dont know if there was any cut at all and even if there was, it was much to short to have any effect.
 
They complain a lot about Putin but the reality is they are a lot of people in Russia that you want in control even less.
They would install their puppet. They’re not going to let a coup happen they help to instigate and then not put in their own guy there. Then NATO forces will assist until everyone loyal to Putin and everyone disloyal to niggers, faggots, and trannies are fully purged from the ranks.
 
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They would install their puppet. They’re not going to let a coup happen they help to instigate and then not put in their own guy there. Then NATO forces will assist until everyone loyal to Putin and everyone disloyal to niggers, faggots, and trannies are fully purged from the ranks.
You are talking about a block that is not even able to keep their puppet governments in power in places like Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan for more than a couple of years. Putting a puppet government in power in Russia surpasses western abilities by a lot. It's not a remotely realistic the scenario. The best they can hope for is to use NGOs and propaganda to slowly push the Russian population and therefore culture in a certain direction.
 
Make no mistake, Russia looks like absolute clowns now and Ukraine did not even have to sacrifice a single soldier for it.
Erdogan just got re-elected without any proven shenanigans. That coup back then was actually real.

All we have from today are pictures of a few Wagner soldiers standing around a crossroad drinking coffee to go.

Nothing happened.
 
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No. I swear the biggest psyop being run right now is that everything is a psyop.
It's a war; by definition, everything that happens IS a psyop. That's how wars work. Every time someone says or does anything, you can expect the reality is wildly different in ways you can't even predict.

Patton smacks some dude in a hospital for being a pussy, suddenly he's in charge of a bunch of inflatable tanks and mannequins about to invade France, while some dead brit floats around the Mediterranean with a briefcase filled with the invasion plans. That's war for you. You'll never know what actually happened or why. It's psyops all the way down.
 
Big w for Wagner? Will Putin honor his promise of not killing him (probs not)
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Why would Ukraine risk it?
Because they have little to lose, and everything to gain.
 
Okay, can anyone clue me in why Ukraine didn't take advantage of the fact that Wagner cut the army from supply? They could have caused a lot of damage and nobody would ever let Russia live it down
You're assuming the Ukrainian Army was in any sort of position or condition to actually do this. I mean, their Counter-Offensive™️ so far has not exactly been confidence inspiring.
 
As I expected, a negotiated end to the hostilities since Wagner fucked the Russian military by taking its supply lines to the front lines. I've seen some chatter from the usual useless "OSINT" shills on Twitter saying Shoigu and Gerasimov are going to be exiting their posts and Prigozhin exiled to Belarus. No idea if this is true, if it is, Prigozhin just achieved every single goal of this gambit, he has wanted both Shoigu and Gerasimov out for nearly half a year. I do think this is the end of Wagner as a force, they'll be slowly cut down over time until their numbers are no longer a threat to Russia, or forever deployed overseas where they can't do damage to the nation.
 
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Huh. What a case of blue balls.

My dad was really excited to see a flashpoint in world history might be taking place but no, it's just a typical Russian weekend.
The fact that Ukraine seems incapable of exploiting a massive distraction like this just makes them even more incompetent.
What could they have done with hours notice and intelligence solely from the Russians that depicts a coup that lasted as long as the Lost season finale and was about as straightforward? Nobody saw it coming, they did it all in public and Putin didn't even blame the West for his defection, did you notice? I assumed it was fake until stuff started happening, and then it became a surreal trickle of frequent, juicy information. Don't interrupt your enemy if they're making a mistake, especially if they really want you to know they're making it.

Feel sorry for the bloggers though, since it's back to the meat grinder. First their man was like "I'll die for Russia! New president soon! " and now he's "No, no is big troll. Every year we try overthrow Vladimir. Is big birthday joke!"
 
Putler would lose face if he publicly counteroffered so it was brokered through Lukashenko.
I thought so too at first but then I realized that a crisis which put Russia in panic mode for a day was easily resolved by the potato emperor in a few hours so this doesn't look good for Putin too - makes him look less competent than Lukashenko.

Big w for Wagner? Will Putin honor his promise of not killing him (probs not)
'member Trotsky? First exile, then murder.
 
Feel sorry for the bloggers though, since it's back to the meat grinder. First their man was like "I'll die for Russia! New president soon! " and now he's "No, no is big troll. Every year we try overthrow Vladimir. Is big birthday joke!"
Yeah, must suck to put your views out there for a happening in a nation that will persecute you for having an opinion.
 
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As I expected, a negotiated end to the hostilities since Wagner fucked the Russian military by taking its supply lines to the front lines. I've seen some chatter from the usual useless "OSINT" shills on Twitter saying Shoigu and Gerasimov are going to be exiting their posts and Prigozhin exiled to Belarus. No idea if this is true, if it is, Prigozhin just achieved every single goal of this gambit, he has wanted both Shoigu and Gerasimov out for nearly half a year. I do think this is the end of Wagner as a force, they'll be slowly cut down over time until their numbers are no longer a threat to Russia, or forever deployed overseas where they can't do damage to the nation.

Others have said they saw videos of Prigozhin making NATO/US talking points on the lead up to the coup attempt. But it looks like when Prigozhin made his move, he has no Russian insitutional support, so on the road to Moscow he decided to negotiate his way out of it.

I think this is more than just "Shoigu and Gerasimov are idiots I'm going to risk being assassinated by Putin now."

If Putin made that pre-recorded address, he already had information that Prigozhin would try something.
 
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