Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Apparently somebody drew up the actual path Wagner took this weekend during "the coup"
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JosephStalin said:
Observation - much of the Russian military presence outside Russia is made up of Wagner people. Wonder what, if anything, happens in that regard, if Wagner can no longer be trusted. Suggest anything can still happen.
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Go back to your hoholshill camp, fake vozhd.

This shitshow by prigo have costed at least one helicopter and a lot of burned up buttholes of the workers who are, evidently, have to repair all the fuckery they have done with the roads due to executive orders from the high ups. :story: O irony, at this...

Welp, back to usual, ie being dormant and just waiting.

Spoiler: this whole kerfuffle was made due to one skitzocow and local warlord got pissed because other warlord is retarded mongoloid. I can't blame either, but the sheer fact that there were losses of human life due to this bullshit are saddening, depressing even. And it's all done for just derail all the attention from the battle frontier in saloreich because X gonna Y to Z positions and Z positions to find out a very "pleasing" surprise now. In case you're confused, Z in this case are hohols.
Seeing Putin that angry was... interesting, not gonna lie there.
 
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BikeLock said:
Apparently somebody drew up the actual path Wagner took this weekend during "the coup"
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How much closer to Kiev is that as opposed to Ukraine's northern border with Russia? Doesn't seam worth it consider what this might mean for Belarus.
 
BikeLock said:
Apparently somebody drew up the actual path Wagner took this weekend during "the coup"
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It’s also conveniently close to Poland.
Belarus is not very good defensive ground. If it gets invaded, history shows that its defenders will be shortly overrun. So stationing your strongest offensive force there makes sense. In the event of a NATO incursion, a rapid strike against Poland can capture more defensible ground, or just a buffer zone you can later slowly trade away while your offensive force is elsewhere.

That does rely on turning away the inevitable Polish attacking force (they are equally aware of Belarus’ vulnerability) and then having enough initiative left to push forward, which I don’t think is realistic to expect, but I don’t doubt there’s more to this than just putting pressure on the Kiev regime. Poles are no doubt feeling the heat too.
 
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Betonhaus said:
Is it going to be that the CIA bribed Wagner or otherwise crossed a line that Russia will now act on?
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If Russia thought Wagner took a CIA contract I don't think they would let them all go to Belarus with all their weapons and gear.

Interesting how they used this chaos to move across the county. Is their contract that was said to start on or before Aug 5th still on?
Was this a real exile or is it a redeployment? I guess we will find out soon enough.
 
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I finally got the grenade video to load and I don't think it was real. Nobody ran out even though they were feet from the door and that tiny little puff of dust is a joke compare to what a grenade actually does in a small, enclosed space. There wouldn't be a fireball, but that pressure has to go somewhere. Even out in the open, a grenade kicks up a shitload more dust than that.

Is there anyway to analyze the audio to see if the they didn't just rattle the camera and an explosion sound in post?
 
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Personally, I think the thing with Wagner was a ploy by Prigozhin. Wagner has global ambitions and doesn't want to be completely tied to the Russian MoD even if they're mostly Russian loyalists. You have to remember, Prigozhin is running a private military corporation that's now recruiting foreign citizens from all over the world. He can not afford to have it appear that they're just cannon fodder for Russian MoD. Likewise, Russian MoD has sabotaged Wagner's various missions in the past and have gotten Wagner soldiers killed. This is not something Prigozhin can let stand unanswered for a myriad of reasons. You also have to consider the fact that a lot of REALLY good Russian soldiers and officers already 1, don't like Russian MoD brass and 2, have really strong favorable opinions of Wagner. Basically, it was a big slap in the face that Russian MoD had set itself up for.
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
Do you guys believe this? @Secret Asshole , thoughts?
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Honestly, my view is Western disinformation for Putin to go after Wagner. But after what Wagner did, Putin really doesn't need all that much incentive. He embarrassed Putin on the world stage, and that is lethal. It could also be the CIA fully burning Wagner as well if they used Wagner as an asset to take it out of the Ukrainian war. While Prighozin is the head of a PMC, I don't think he's an outright traitor to Russia or Russian interests. Wagner is an odd duck in that its basically an arm of the Russian government to carry out its interests where the Russian government cannot offically go. It was more of a wink-wink, nudge nudge type deal. My feeling is Prighozin's ego got a hold of him. Turning traitor is retarded for him to do, since his entire popularity relies on his success in the Ukranian war. In order to sucessfully coup, he has to play that popularity into something with the rank and file MOD, and he couldn't do that if he turned traitor, so it smells like pork, as in burning either an asset or disinfo in a time of confusion.

It wouldn't surprise me if the CIA was a little bird on Prighozin's ear and urged him to coup with no backing, in order to take Wagner out of the Ukrainian conflict, since they were so effective in Bakhmut. If that's the case, mission accomplished. I honestly don't think the CIA actually wanted to coup Putin with Wagner (or even expected it to go anywhere), they just wanted Wagner completely off the board since they were a competent fighting force, moreso than the retards at the MOD. So they just played to Prighozin's delusion and Putin's ego, got Prighozin to think he had far more support than he did and he 'went for it' with typical CIA backing that never materializes for pieces they just want gone. I don't think they cared if Wagner got completely merked or started a civil war, they just wanted them out of the picture one way or another, and politically is enough for them.

Or it could be more theater. Its so hard to gauge as Russian politics are all about misdirection as well as face, so we don't know what's real and what isn't. But Wagner blew shit up, so its more likely Wagner's ambitions outpaced their grasp, which is why Prighozin realized he was completely fucked on the road to Moscow and stopped short like I mentioned when this was going on. Wheter this was due to his own ego or foreign influence (direct, indirect and known, unknown) is anyone's guess.
 
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What rotten fucking luck @9:20

I'd post the video but tor is being tempermental.
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Apparently a hohol official first published the drone footage of the Ukrainian 47th brigade that arrived at a minefield in the Zaporozhye direction whereupon they blew themselves up on mines, one after another. He deleted it after realizing it was actually a huge zrada,

It is brutal, and senseless.

The video is a large file so it should be compressed before archiving:

 
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Feline Supremacist said:
Apparently a hohol official first published the drone footage of the Ukrainian 47th brigade that arrived at a minefield in the Zaporozhye direction whereupon they blew themselves up on mines, one after another. He deleted it after realizing it was actually a huge zrada,

It is brutal, and senseless.
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Are they just hoping for the best and not trying to like sweep or check for mines?
 
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