Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Glowie]

To avoid people reading potential disinformation, I have a list grifting AI generated channels in no particular order, don't trust following at face value

Spoiler: The list

Global news channel
Mrs Global Oracle Eyes GLOBAL news channel NIT international US news channel US secret journal Knitting mother QTN news

More than often channels like these are run by grifters to get money through YouTubes super thanks feature stretched to 30 llminutes to get money from ads.

Once you watched one video from any of these you've seen them all, quality of AI varies.

If you happen to watch any these, verify the claims

 

[Ghostse]

To avoid people reading potential disinformation, I have a list grifting AI generated channels in no particular order, don't trust following at face value

Spoiler: The list

Global news channel
Mrs Global Oracle Eyes GLOBAL news channel NIT international US news channel US secret journal Knitting mother QTN news

More than often channels like these are run by grifters to get money through YouTubes super thanks feature stretched to 30 llminutes to get money from ads.

Once you watched one video from any of these you've seen them all, quality of AI varies.

If you happen to watch any these, verify the claims

Why is CNN not on that list?

 

[Glowie]

Why is CNN not on that list?

Subhumans who work around the clock spinning nothingburgers on hourly basis might look like AI. It would be a insult to AI as a whole, CNN is devoid of intelligence, AI is intelligent and bots at least put in effort to their work.

 

[Night Crawler]

Introducing the newest iteration of Russian drone countermeasures, a Cope-Kennel; meticulously designed by the Traktorno-fermerskiyzavod №11 & heroically built by crippled soldiers before their return to the front.
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How are is the crew supposed to get out of the vehicle incase they need to?

That looks like a death trap. Does the gun just shoot though the chainlink? How do you get out if something happens like a mine?
I would like a very autistic report on the effectiveness of cope cages.

That's not even chainlink. It's light gauge chicken wire.

If you think that's bad, you should see plethora of AI generated channels
Pioneer
Divine Justice
KDS/Susan's craft world
Among many others, generic music full blast with watermark floating on the background.

You've probably seen them and Ukie reports on targets hit, retaken occupied regions, etc. I take their claims with grain or salt until I see it confirmed on war map, mil blogger or satellite map.

Seeing cratered Russian bases, armored columns myself is mandatory

When it comes to AI generated videos I live by "Trust but verify”

Those are channels run by shit skins in third world countries to make ad money. That one called Susan's Craft World was clearly meant to be something else and they quickly turned it into a Russian Ukraine war "news" channel. Probably because they looked at some statistics and saw that the Russia Ukraine content was getting a lot of view. It's all fake robot voice crap. Like the kind of shit Boomers watch and then talk about with other people but mostly Boomers.

 

[TruthSeekingDaimon]

Putin isnt showing any signs of giving up.

 

[Ghostse]

Putin isnt showing any signs of giving up.

He won't give up while he draws breath.

Subhumans who work around the clock spinning nothingburgers on hourly basis might look like AI. It would be a insult to AI as a whole, CNN is devoid of intelligence, AI is intelligent and bots at least put in effort to their work.

Harsh but accurate.

 

[Scout Trooper]

Putin isnt showing any signs of giving up.

Okay?

 

[Hall of Cost Payer]

Putin isnt showing any signs of giving up.

Ukraine's problem isn't Putin. Russia's behavior as a whole shows their attitude to this war SMO. It's a problem of russian society and it's view on itself and Ukraine.

 

[teriyakiburns]

There's a lot of shelling going on near kherson. Lots of it seems to be targeted at civilian centres again, because of course it is, but it makes me suspect the Russians are seeing unexpected pressure there.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

I got unironically MATI when Tucker's "We're back!" video in early May started off with "The media will tell you facts, but they don't give context and tell you the whole story! You're being manipulated!" and then he went and did exactly fucking that in his first major episode regarding the Kakhovka dam and such. He's such a little bitch.

I get unironically mad (at the internet often, but also in person too, but whatever) when people tell you The Media is manipulating you, only to shit out whatever it is Their Media says, especially if they don't elaborate on why The Media is wrong

See also: my post on the profile of user @870EVO

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Ukrainian #artillery managed to destroy a Russian #Buk air defense system.The Buk was destroyed in a forested area at the junction of #Donetsk and #Zaporizhzhia regions.

The effect is very similar to that of 155-mm SMArt or 155-mm BONUS shells.Ukrainian troops use #PzH2000 artillery systems to fire these shells.

Geolocation: 47.574728, 36.913637

EDIT: fixing URLs.

 

[Ghostse]

There's a lot of shelling going on near kherson. Lots of it seems to be targeted at civilian centres again, because of course it is, but it makes me suspect the Russians are seeing unexpected pressure there.

Makes me suspect there may have been more to those random videos of UKA troops on the lef bank of the Dnieper if Russia is losing its mind like that.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Sky video compilation of the Kramatorsk strike. The Ukrainians seem especially triggered by this one. Zelensky just did a big speech in the Rada where he said the state institurions of Russia are controlled by bandits and ruled out any peace talks with them.

Ukraine's problem isn't Putin. Russia's behavior as a whole shows their attitude to this war SMO. It's a problem of russian society and it's view on itself and Ukraine.

Its also something Russia is going to have to come to terms with. There is zero chance of peaceful reintegration with "Greater Russia" at this point. Whatever "peace" comes out of this conflict, its going to be one that ends in a hard separation between Kiev and Moscow. What the final line of that separation will be is still in open question, but the separation itself is something the Russian government and Public needs to start thinking about.

A part of me wants to think the better angels of our nature may prevail. There is still a window open for Russia to keep Crimea (and their fucking bridge) and end the war if not amicably, at least agreeably. By handing over the LPR and the DPR. TBH I doubt even Ukraine wants to risk the absolute slaughter that will ensue trying to retake Crimea and its maximalists objectives. But its backed into the corner by Moscow, which has proclaimed loudly and constantly that Ukraine is not a State at all, let alone a Nation with a history and culture. Simply a wayward province that needs to be brought to heel.

I actually watched Zelensky's latest speech in the Rada. Everyone in the room looked fucking tired. But they still applauded when Zelensky said there would be no peace negotiations. I don't understand a word of course, but I really don't need. The body posture is rather more interesting. Alot of the representatives are wearing traditional clothing or military uniforms. That says something alone.

I am not sure what the Russians are hoping to accomplish at this point, other then further embitter a neighbor they will inevitably have to live with.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Russia is changing their warship camouflage:

It looks like they're trying to make identifying them by satellite and targeting by drone harder.

For the uninitiated, H.I. Sutton is probably the most autistic & accurate source for modern naval OSINT spergery, mostly focused on submarines & ASW vessels. His website Covert Shores is also a top-notch throwback to an earlier internet.

Edit: Ukrainian Strela-10 shoots down 5 Russian drones, at least one being an Orlan.

Bonus:
Zelensky buys into the marijuana-as-medicine scheme, recommending the legalization for use in treating trauma; while no doubt benefiting from the millions of hryvnia in taxes on dope.
From Yahoo:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy urged lawmakers in his country to legalize medical marijuana on Wednesday.

"We must finally honestly legalize cannabis-based medicine for everyone who needs it, with the relevant scientific research and controlled Ukrainian manufacturing," Zelenskyy told Ukraine's parliament, according to Pravda.

Zelenskyy previously voiced support for the idea during his campaign for president, and last year his government pushed the idea as a way to help people suffering physically and mentally following Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

PravdaUA article:
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Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has emphasised the need to legalise medical cannabis in Ukraine.

Source: the president during an address to the Verkhovna Rada (Ukraine’s parliament)

Details: The head of state said Ukraine should create the strongest mental and physical rehabilitation sector in Europe, and this will involve both building rehabilitation centres and training the relevant personnel. All the world's best practices and solutions, no matter how difficult or unusual they may be, should be applied in Ukraine so that no Ukrainian citizen has to endure the pain, stress and trauma of war, Zelenskyy emphasised.

Quote: "In particular, we must finally honestly legalise cannabis-based medicine for everyone who needs it, [with] the relevant scientific research and controlled Ukrainian manufacturing."

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

A part of me wants to think the better angels of our nature may prevail. There is still a window open for Russia to keep Crimea (and their fucking bridge) and end the war if not amicably, at least agreeably. By handing over the LPR and the DPR. TBH I doubt even Ukraine wants to risk the absolute slaughter that will ensue trying to retake Crimea and its maximalists objectives. But its backed into the corner by Moscow, which has proclaimed loudly and constantly that Ukraine is not a State at all, let alone a Nation with a history and culture. Simply a wayward province that needs to be brought to heel.

There will be negotiation, and Ukraine had never considered anything less than retaking Crimea. There's also no way in hell Russia is keeping that land bridge. There are no angels here. Ukraine needs all of its territory back to be a viable state, to protect itself from future Russian aggression and to not be hobbled economically for the foreseeable future. It was never really going to end any other way. Its just taken the rest of the world a wild to realize that the strategic situation means that this was how it was all going to end.

 

[mindlessobserver]

There will be negotiation, and Ukraine had never considered anything less than retaking Crimea. There's also no way in hell Russia is keeping that land bridge. There are no angels here. Ukraine needs all of its territory back to be a viable state, to protect itself from future Russian aggression and to not be hobbled economically for the foreseeable future. It was never really going to end any other way. Its just taken the rest of the world a wild to realize that the strategic situation means that this was how it was all going to end.

Ukraine can be viable without Crimea, but only if Russia is forced to admit it. The Russians, for all their faults, are western enough to respect the letter of laws, if not their spirit. If Russia is forced to sign a treaty accepting the borders of Ukraine, they can't try and do the "no take backs" clause, because it won't sell. Not even with the Russian people. The entire premise of the current war is based solely on the fact that Russia never formally accepted the Soviet Union's SSR demarcations.

Putin has sold this war to the Russian public as lawful. The Lawful Russian government, steadfastly and honorably undoing the mistake made by the Perfidous soviets in giving away the historical patrimony of the Russian people to the icky Cossacks (Who are totally Russian and want to be Russian). Sorry, the Piggy Hohols (Who are also Russian, but not Russian). After all, the Cossacks (Sorry, Hohols) aren't Really a people. If they aren't Polish Collaborators, they are Turkish collaborators, and if not that then they are German (Nazi) Collaborators. Their own people? Oh heavens no. Because if they were then Russia would have to ask uncomfortable questions about its national origin story and just who is who in the grand orthodox conversion myth. Better to leave that sleeping dragon alone and focus on the more immediate question as to whether or not a country that has changed hands a bazillion times is actually worthy of independent statehood. Legally speaking.

And thus far that is not a question that has been openly contested until now. Its also why Russia is also not interested in negotiations. Because the moment Moscow agrees to peace talks with Kiev, its the moment their entire narrative of the war ends. They are no longer undoing a "mistake". They are going to have to negotiate with a foreign power. Legally. And they won't be able to sell that to the Russian public.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

@mindlessobserver

The Russians, for all their faults, are western enough to respect the letter of laws, if not their spirit.

I'd argue that any affectations or claims of Russia being Westernized vanished with the Bolsheviks, Lenin, & moving the capital back to Moscow; while Russia has always insisted on playing the part of an Orthodox Third Rome.

But they're much closer to the Byzantine Romans than anything in the Western Empire. Even Stalin's great Russian chauvinism had an asiatic bent, and they've never honored agreements with the West in good faith; Russians are much closer to the Chinese in that regard.

Edit: in a completely shocking lack of trigger discipline & opsec, a Russian officer flies over a burnt-out Ka-52 on the flight line in Melitopol, Stechkin in-hand.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Now lets be honest, the US never really honored agreements with the Russians either. For that matter, neither did any western power with each other. That's just human nature. We just try and mitigate it.

At the same time though, nobody wants to be the bad guy in their own story. All that is required for this war to end, permanently, is for Russia and Ukraine to sign a piece of paper, embossed with both their state seals delineating the final, irrevocable separation between their peoples. Then both can get back to doing whatever the fuck they want that does not involve murdering each other.

The problem is getting both sides to that point. The sad truth is I think alot of people are going to have to die before either side agrees to put ink to paper. Time does heal wounds though, given enough of it.

Consider that a formal copy of the US Declaration of Independence was submitted to the custody of the King of England. According to the accounts of the time, George III literally threw it into the fireplace. To the horror and chagrin of the British Museum. They could have literally had a copy of THE declaration of independence, written in Thomas Jefferson's own hand. Instead it became ashes and a source of intense chagrin two centuries later. It now seems silly that George III did such a thing, but at the time it made perfect sense. What happened in 1976 would not matter one iota, to someone living in 1776. But I bet in 1976 the custodian of the British Museum spent at least 5 minutes thinking wistfully about what could have been had George III not thrown the formal missive of the rebellious colonies into the fire. They could have put that sucker up in its own wing, along with a bunch of other paraphernalia from the colonial period of the first British Empire. Instead short sighted myopia prevented it, and only the benefit of two centuries of hindsight could reveal the the idiocy of the moment.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

HIMARS takes out four Russian 2S19 Msta 152.4 mm self-propelled howitzers:

I am not sure if it's the same series of strikes that destroyed a similar number of 2S19 Mstas a week or two ago.

 

[Ghostse]

Zelensky buys into the marijuana-as-medicine scheme, recommending the legalization for use in treating trauma; while no doubt benefiting from the millions of hryvnia in taxes on dope.

I wonder why Ukraine continues to allow globohomo policies in. Is it because they have to simp out to keep the weapons & aid tap turned on while fighting a nation 4x its size? No, no, that's silly.
Obviously its the Poles trying to capitalize on the 573 million mercenaries they are losing every hour.

HIMARS takes out four Russian 2S19 Msta 152.4 mm self-propelled howitzers:

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I am not sure if it's the same series of strikes that destroyed a similar number of 2S19 Mstas a week or two ago.

How can HIMARS be taking out unstoppable Russian Stronk artillery? 500 of the 20 systems sent to Ukraine have been blown up by Wagner Russian sapper teams.