This is a patently dangerous message. She is smiling, but we all know the pain and suffering behind the smile. Not the young, impressionable, and (most importantly) feeble minded, who sees this as weird-fashion-trend-you-may-eventually-grow-out-of levels of alluring. Backed by a powerful machine that pushes this as a badge of honor.
Fuck if I know. (tmi) I had the teets yeeted seven years ago for cancer. The "results" are perfectly acceptable in terms of not having cancer any more, and also in terms of not ever needing to wear a bra again, no matter how cute it made my cancerous 36DDs look.
The more surgeries, the more scar tissue and adhesions, the more pain from nerve damage, the more risk of skin dying due to lost blood flow or infection. I had quite enough of those with just one surgery and would strongly recommend against going anywhere near that area with a scalpel again.
Also, when I reacted in a r/medicalgore thread a few years ago to some pooner's top surgery by saying the idea of removing healthy breasts made me uncomfortable as a cancer survivor, a bunch of TRAs accused me of gatekeeping. I'm still MATI about that.
Fuck if I know. (tmi) I had the teets yeeted seven years ago for cancer. The "results" are perfectly acceptable in terms of not having cancer any more, and also in terms of not ever needing to wear a bra again, no matter how cute it made my cancerous 36DDs look.
The more surgeries, the more scar tissue and adhesions, the more pain from nerve damage, the more risk of skin dying due to lost blood flow or infection. I had quite enough of those with just one surgery and would strongly recommend against going anywhere near that area with a scalpel again.
Also, when I reacted in a r/medicalgore thread a few years ago to some pooner's top surgery by saying the idea of removing healthy breasts made me uncomfortable as a cancer survivor, a bunch of TRAs accused me of gatekeeping. I'm still MATI about that.
Sorry if its tmi to ask, if you don't mind, what was the aftercare like? Did you stay in the hospital after the surgery and did the hospital staff follow up with the healing?
From pooners irl they got sent home right away after the surgery with a drain, and absolutely no one called to ask them what was going on.
Sorry if its tmi to ask, if you don't mind, what was the aftercare like? Did you stay in the hospital after the surgery and did the hospital staff follow up with the healing?
From pooners irl they got sent home right away after the surgery with a drain, and absolutely no one called to ask them what was going on.
I was in at 6am and out of the hospital by lunch time. A couple of followup visits to the surgeon to remove drains and check healing, then a couple months later I had an area of dead tissue about the size of half a dollar bill on one side removed so it could heal. It finally closed about seven months post surgery.
The dead tissue was from some skin that lost blood supply, and was preventing the underlying tissue from healing by second intention. It was not painful at any time because my entire chest was numb. The scars other than that one area are minimal.
Sensation has come back slowly in some areas, but from the day of surgery until now I feel like I'm wearing a too-tight bra.
I opted not to get reconstruction and stayed flat. In theory if I need boobs there's foobs but TBH I have never felt that was necessary. I've only been called "Sir" a couple times and one of those was a tard who apologized as soon as he moved his gaze from my chest to my face.
Once in awhile I miss them (did I mention they were cute?), but not enough to have fake ones permanently installed, especially knowing how much of a disaster that would have been. I wonder if the pooners realize "top surgery" permanently destroys ALL erotic sensation, even if they get their nipples grafted back on, but then I remember that they're all permavirgins who've never experienced even solo sex and only want to pee standing up.
so i was thinking, til the other Aiden commented answering my question of "but then now where does the fluid go?"
'pools in my perineum, which can get very uncomfortable'
...?! THEN WHAT?
what happens to this gross water balloon, does it just rot back into the body?
how utterly gross, its like having a snotty nose and just...sewing your nose up..but with no option to spit, or for the fluid to go down into the stomach..its like if you had a pimple but superglued over the head so it could never pop.
Oh this'll gross you out even more! If it's still in an area with mucosal membranes, essentially the same thing as blue balls. I.e. it gets reabsorbed but hurts like hell for a bit. Oh and with the added fun of possible infection from clogging a duct. Look up vaginal cysts for a reference, they suck. A lot. Sometimes they go away, other times you need to be lanced. Only difference is, s vaginal lance is very small (as long as your fingernail is across) and heals within a few days because the vagina is kinda specialized to heal from tears or cuts. A rot dog and balls made of arm skin? They'll probably use the same amount of numbing agent without issue, but you won't heal as fast, and contrary to popular belief, urine isn't sterile.
Oh and let's not forget ingrown arm hairs from leg skin if they choose to wax or shave, for added infection risks!
Figured this was the best place to put this. Jen Gunter, an OB/GYN who is rather famous for saying her vagina smells, wrote a book called 'The Vagina Bible'. As expected, she does include troons, Pooners and hons, but surprisingly, there are some based hot takes in it. This is from the Chapter titled 'Vaginas and Vulvas in Transition':
Testosterone for transitioning can produce significant changes in the vulva and vagina. The clitoris will enlarge, from an average length of 1.5 cm to 4.5 cm. As the glans grows, more of it is exposed (the clitoral hood does not grow in the same way), potentially leading to increased clitoral sensitivity. Pubic hair may increase, and the pattern of distribution often changes—more hair on the thighs and possibly also hair that extends from the umbilicus (belly button) downwards.
Testosterone also causes the vaginal mucosa to become thinner and reduces lactobacilli, so the pH becomes elevated. This can start as early as three months after starting testosterone, but the peak effect may not be experienced for two years. Symptoms can include irritation, vaginal discharge, burning, pain with exams, pattern of distribution often changes—more hair on the thighs and possibly also hair that extends from the umbilicus (belly button) downwards.
Testosterone also causes the vaginal mucosa to become thinner and reduces lactobacilli, so the pH becomes elevated. This can start as early as three months after starting testosterone, but the peak effect may not be experienced for two years. Symptoms can include irritation, vaginal discharge, burning, pain with exams, and pain with intercourse for trans men who practice receptive vaginal sex. The lack of lactobacilli and thin vaginal mucosa increase the risk of acquiring sexually transmitted infections (STI) if exposed vaginally.
Treatment for these symptoms includes vaginal estrogen—when dosed correctly, it is not absorbed into the bloodstream and so won’t counteract testosterone’s effect on other tissues. Some trans men find vaginal estrogen acceptable, but others do not. If the physical aspect of having to place something in the vagina is the concern, a vaginal ring that releases estrogen, which should not be felt when placed correctly and requires changing every three months, may be an option. For trans men who are opposed to the idea of estrogen, vaginal DHEAS suppositories may be an option. DHEAS is a hormone that is converted to estrogen and testosterone in the vagina. More details on the medication and delivery options can be found in chapter 19."
Other parts will be spoilered so the thread won't be too overwhelming.
From the bit on trans women.
Surgery can create labia, a clitoris, and a vagina (vaginoplasty). The glans penis is used to create a clitoris, and both the new clitoris and stimulation of the prostate with vaginal penetration contribute to sexual pleasure. After surgery, approximately 75 percent of trans women report they are sexually active vaginally, and the ability to orgasm ranges from 70 to 84 percent.
The scrotum is used to create labia, but the optimal technique for vaginoplasty has not yet been identified. Tissue from the penis, colon, and peritoneum (a layer of mucus that lines the abdominal cavity and, among other things, keeps your organs from sticking together) have all been used. Sometimes skin from other body parts is needed as well. Other techniques that are being investigated involve tissue from the mouth (buccal mucosa), amnion (from the placenta), and tissues that have been specifically treated called decellularized tissues. A review of the best technique is beyond this book, but the choice depends on many factors, including underlying health, length of the penis (whether there is enough tissue), and both patient and surgeon preference.
The most common procedure in the United States involves penile tissue with the addition of scrotal or other skin as needed. The average range of vaginal length for cis (cisgender) women is 6.5–12.5 cm—as vaginal length is not related to sexual satisfaction, most surgeons aim for a vaginal length in the mid-range of 9–10 cm. Given the anatomic considerations, there is not always space to create a depth of 10 cm, so what can be achieved may vary. Penile tissue is not self-lubricating, but some people feel that sexual stimulation may be superior, as penile skin is sexually responsive.
A vagina constructed from penile skin is colonized with bacteria routinely found on the skin. Vaginal symptoms, such as discharge and odor, are not related to the same conditions that affect cis women such as yeast or bacterial vaginosis. Discharge is usually due to skin secretions, such as sebum and skin cells.
If discharge and odor are concerns, routine cleaning or douching with water and sometimes a mild cleanser may be indicated, as the new vagina is not mucosa and does not have lactobacilli. Many surgeons recommend douching during the time when dilation is needed daily to remove retained lubricant and the skin cells shed due to the friction. The appropriate management of vaginal odor is not established, but if douching with water has not been sufficient, some recommend douching for a few days with a 25 percent poviodine iodine in water solution. Another option is a course of vaginal antibiotics, typically metronidazole, to reduce odor-forming bacteria.
It gets better.
The advantage of colon and peritoneum tissue is that they are self-lubricating. This requires abdominal surgery, although this can almost always be accomplished with small incisions via the operating telescope (laparoscopically). Discharge can be significant when colon tissue is used for the new vagina.
A vaginoplasty is medically a big procedure. If, for health reasons, someone is not able to tolerate this surgery, then a vulva and clitoris can be created and a small depression made for the vagina. Externally, there is no difference in appearance. This is also an option for trans women who do not want to receive vaginal penetration.
From the examples given here, we can absolutely tell the difference, especially with the telltale sign of scrotal scars. That's the biggest giveaway, as well as the 'vag' being in the wrong position due to anogenital distance. You'd think an OB/GYN would know that.
The other juicy bits in that chapter include the inverted scrote hair that has to be removed or else it comes out in huge balls; and, the ribbon on top, that dilation is a must. Gunter is one of those 'trans women are totally women' OB/GYNs like Danielle Jones, but Jones won't even get close to stating the shit this woman has. None of the information seen will be of any surprise to Farmers, because you've read it all already (especially if you visited the Zak Antolak thread).
Oh this'll gross you out even more! If it's still in an area with mucosal membranes, essentially the same thing as blue balls. I.e. it gets reabsorbed but hurts like hell for a bit. Oh and with the added fun of possible infection from clogging a duct. Look up vaginal cysts for a reference, they suck. A lot. Sometimes they go away, other times you need to be lanced. Only difference is, s vaginal lance is very small (as long as your fingernail is across) and heals within a few days because the vagina is kinda specialized to heal from tears or cuts. A rot dog and balls made of arm skin? They'll probably use the same amount of numbing agent without issue, but you won't heal as fast, and contrary to popular belief, urine isn't sterile.
Oh and let's not forget ingrown arm hairs from leg skin if they choose to wax or shave, for added infection risks!
Forgive me this stream of consciousness cod-medical maelstrom, as I try to picture tf is gonnna be going on in these broads bodies..as it appears their surgeons dgaf to:
So... having never had blue balls (am woman) and, as of yet, never having had a cyst...I cant conceive it? apart from, its like... idk, if the wetness you made when fucking, etc...just... couldn't get out?
Like if you were hysterical crying, snotting, but someone just glued up our tear ducts and nose and throat..but without the connection to the lungs to immediately drown choke you.. plus the nerve damage/ general removal of organs that could give referred symptoms or pain..
but likewise, there will be some allegory of the sinuses that fuck you up, but tis just drank up by the comparatively less monitor-able organs down there.. it cant be good.
I suppose they must have done a vaginectomy (pleased to see spell-check doesn't yet recognise this often used butcher term) with this particular procedure, so i dont know where they fluid is being created; but as vaginal lubrication is quasi-vascular in nature- like, it comes from the blood stream and becomes the moisture...which is kinda like how you can get wet kinda of indefinitely/repeatedly, and not run out of of jizz, like a dude..and why you need to drink water / get really dry mouthed when having any kind of sex marathon as a woman-
so i am assuming even with the V'nectomy, and the fact this stuff *was* being expelled til...whatever happened to these pooners poon's...
there will be the 'assistance' that is the female sexual organs atrophying...but there will be some remnant there, case by case- some Tifs report vaginal atrophy in a matter of a month or so- whereas others end up pregnant after over a year taking testosterone.
fuck, what a mess.
Tmi/TLDR-
I still have no clue what/where/how/it must feel for this to happen..i guess like an alternatingly intense throb, like a kettle, where someone is covering the outlet for the piping steam..the particular ache of a headache but body-wide.
Like having a shower drain leak, and you don't know its a problem til the ceiling in the room below falls through, carrying with it fuck-loads of long-rotted plaster, brick, and wood; and by which time damp has infected that entire side of the house.. though now you think about it, you could smell a slight damp foist, but couldnt tell quite where..
Man, all these surgeries are just the epitome of HUMAN FOIST.
I reckon we are gonna see a load of Tifs up and die of rapid sepsis, once they get about 13 years into phallo..
kinda like a less acute version of Toxic Shock Syndrome.
The FAT TIF Diabeetus sure to add a little sped to this prognosis, why not.
Back in the 2010s, I would see her around social media and I thought she was cute as hell. I was really into the pastel emo tomboy thing she had going on. It was obvious then and more obvious now that she is suffering from anorexia, and even more proof of the anachan to Aiden pipeline.
So... having never had blue balls (am woman) and, as of yet, never having had a cyst...I cant conceive it? apart from, its like... idk, if the wetness you made when fucking, etc...just... couldn't get out?
Tl;dr, no, it isn't easily shaken. It will either
1: go away.
2: grow so large it'll burst (extremely painful and takes a very long time to happen.)
3: be exercised, or lanced.
this is gonna be extremely gross, so am spoilering. Seriously, don't read this if you are eating, are easily squicked, or vag stuff grosses you out. You have been warned. I repeat, W A R N E D!
I've unfortunately had a cyst, it's basically a really, really deep zit you can't pop that just keeps getting bigger. It can vary from the size of a pea, to like a grapefruit. Mine was the size of a large lemon. It's just above the fat tissue, but too deep to just 'pop'. Think of those really painful boils you can't handle popping that are really sensitive, despite barely being a bump on your face but very red. The worst part is it doesn't always hurt, so you learn to ignore it. I was told not to come in until it got really big, but the problem is it grew so slowly for me, that I didn't notice until half way. And it does impact you, I didn't realize how much it affected how I walked, sat and used menstral stuff. Again, it was so gradual that I didn't notice. It isn't uncommon for cysts to take multiple years to develop, if not decades. I'd say mine took between 8 to 10. And it affecting me wasn't from pain, it was from being very swollen near a joint. Imagine walking with a small, firm water balloon duct taped to your leg, that was what it was like.
Again, will spoiler gross part.
it was explained to me that mine was basically just full of secretion fluid from a clogged duct. Not discharge from being turned on, which it sounds like the pooner is experiencing, just natural mucosa that kept filling from either an ingrown hair causing the clog, or shed skin like a pimple. I'm just explaining basically how they form, they're really common and apparently I'm just cursed genetically to have them, as you can be more suseptable to them. Despite being similar in formation to zits, there's no connection between acne and vaginal cysts, it's purely a luck of the draw on its' own.
I seriously cannot imagine willingly wanting what is essentially a cyst in my fucking TAINT because you think its' gender affirming. I know these bitches are mentally ill but what the FUCK man.
Let's break this down, shall we?
We'll treat it like a vaginal cyst; since a rot dog doesn't get rid of their full labia majora, and they use some of that tissue. (Plus it's a uniquely manufactured sin against god and idfk what else to call it) also keep in mind I'm not a doctor, just genetically cursed.
A normal cyst take years to form. It's so slow growing, that a decent amount have no pain what so ever, or extremely mild that is only noticable via penetration, right?
Yes, the mucosal tissue is significantly more elastic, but it has a limit too. This dumb motherfucker WILLINGLY made a weird pocket for a cyst to form through mutilation, got upset it disappeared on its own, AND WANTED IT BACK.
If it fills every time she orgasms, or just even gets turned on, fuck that would hurt because of testosterone making you a god damn animal in bed. Men are lucky in that they're biologically stopped from over producing sperm at I think 2 teaspoons worth of sperm every 20 or so minutes? If that?
As long as a woman is well hydrated, she can probably keep going for quite some time. The main reason we stop is because of chafing and personal sex drive limits. But theoretically, a woman could go for hours and hours. (THEORETICALLY, I'm not saying it would be enjoyable) Idk if it would be enough for a natural rupture, but oh my god that would hurt so bad.
another disgusting aside, apparently I was one of the cleanest cases, so my doc was extremely confused how mine formed, since it seemed 100% strange mucus with no odor or sign of infection.
^ the only reason I add that last bit is because you fucking KNOW pooners don't keep their surgical site clean. I was an extremely bizarre case, most cysts are really fucking gross, smelly, and full of infection on even well groomed people. Tissue death isn't fucking normal in most surgeries. Rejection is common, but you're given drugs to prevent that with an internal organ or skin graft from another person (I think) the amount of infection of these people is so outrageous that no sane doctor would take these psychos out of fear of being fucking sued from the family after dying of complications.
Sorry for the rambly mess, I felt talkative and I need sleep.
Edit: as for feeling, I have a hard time imagining what relocated arm nerves would feel like in a muscle-less tube of dead-looking flesh, but I imagine it being a dull pinch that doesn't let up for a long time, possibly feeling like you need to piss but can't. Or it could be almost dead nerve wise, could be why she doesn't feel it anymore, I imagine any sensation wjth relocated nerves that are implanted where they don't belong would have very dull sensations. I also feel like you'd associate the surgical site pain to it, since she had to have been fairly fresh to form such a pocket in the first place. So maybe you'd feel a strong pressure on top of a pinch, on top of being cut open.
Fuck if I know. (tmi) I had the teets yeeted seven years ago for cancer. The "results" are perfectly acceptable in terms of not having cancer any more, and also in terms of not ever needing to wear a bra again, no matter how cute it made my cancerous 36DDs look.
1. RIP. If ever there was a time I wanted an Aladdin genie to put the cancer from your fully restored girls into a pooners'* now would be that time. I'm sure it took some time to get to a place where you can remark on the whole situation with some humor, so for that .
Once in awhile I miss them (did I mention they were cute?), but not enough to have fake ones permanently installed, especially knowing how much of a disaster that would have been. I wonder if the pooners realize "top surgery" permanently destroys ALL erotic sensation, even if they get their nipples grafted back on, but then I remember that they're all permavirgins who've never experienced even solo sex and only want to pee standing up.
2. Thanks for inadvertently answering questions about the results. Some of this info was understood intuitively, but its good to get confirmation. The permanent tightness is new info (and both slightly sad and horrifying), but I knew it wasn't as simple as re-grafting the nipples back and, BAM, super sensitivity returns. The hacks should just pitch the optional nipple nerve hookup package to these troons for an extra $5k to keep (ironically) milking them dry.
3. The last few posts here as (what was reported as an over-the-top debauchery, yet losing its power and influence, and was overall ho-hum) Pride month is in the rear-view... Here's based Tim Pool putting someone's back to the wall on SRS, and the wide-eyed mark pulls out the greatest (and predictable) deflection in the world.
*They'd be cutting them out anyway, so its fine on a karmic level.
Back in the 2010s, I would see her around social media and I thought she was cute as hell. I was really into the pastel emo tomboy thing she had going on. It was obvious then and more obvious now that she is suffering from anorexia, and even more proof of the anachan to Aiden pipeline.
Yeah I remember seeing lots of her pictures back in the day, never really followed closely because her thinness always rubbed me the wrong way, but I appreciated her makeup looks. She had a topic on PULL and some there discussed that she got into the troon pipeline because of a boyfriend (IIRC she even took hormones for some time).
After she got her teets yeeted her nipples looked really weird but God, completely removing them? If you compare her old pictures she's looking rough, but then, she also used to photoshop her pictures a lot. Body dismorphia is one hell of a drug.
what's realistic to expect of surgery results? I was terrified after my surgery bcs my results seemed to be awful bcs I was not aware of how it would look for a while, so I'm sharing pics, two weeks after top surgery and a little over a month after surgery. Its not perfect but it gets better. I was big chested, with pretty saggy breasts bcs I lost about 100lbs a couple of years prior, and that affected my results ofc, but it is getting better. I wish I didnt panic so much about it after surgery bcs I was pretty stressed out.
My skin is still working out how stuff will be, but that's fine. That's how it works. Not everyone gets perfect results right out of the bat, and even people that do see problems they would like to be dealt with too. Top surgery is a journey not a destination, bro.
It’s weird how doctors have perfected mastectomy scar reduction and appearance for women with cancer, but for pooners it looks like they let an intern do it.
I’m a free man on the land, I am not driving, I am traveling, I do not wish to enter jointers with you, my schedule fee is 10 tons of silver dollars for every minute of detainment!
Yeah I remember seeing lots of her pictures back in the day, never really followed closely because her thinness always rubbed me the wrong way, but I appreciated her makeup looks. She had a topic on PULL and some there discussed that she got into the troon pipeline because of a boyfriend (IIRC she even took hormones for some time).
After she got her teets yeeted her nipples looked really weird but God, completely removing them? If you compare her old pictures she's looking rough, but then, she also used to photoshop her pictures a lot. Body dismorphia is one hell of a drug.
yeah... I don't know about how common it is, but pooners around where I live get offered two choices with the nipples when they sign up for the surgery. They do tell them that they'll have to cut them off and reattach, and you can choose just completely do away with them. It would make way more sense to not have the nipples reattched during the surgery than after everything's healed though, I can't even begin to imagine how they are going to peel off the sewn-in nipples. And if she's got bdd, looking at those dead grotesque nipples (definitely not symmetrical) must makes her suffer immensely. No feelz, she's fucking retarded for being an anachan way past adolescence and remained a mentally feeble retard who falls prey to every new trend of mental illness
If this has been posted already, yell at me, but I watched the new Exulansic video on Youtube and good lord. This autistic girl had a mastectomy, but she didn't get a flat chest but rather had like... A-cup flesh plateaus without nipples made. So that she could wear the fashion that she wanted to wear when she was a teenager. I feel extremely upset looking at this to be honest. I assume mom and dad are bankrolling her apartment because I don't see this completely broken person hold down any job.
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