Discuss porn's impact of relationships, men, and the difference between jacking it to online porn compared to jacking it to a magazine

[AnOminous]

Here's the thing Jack; I guarantee you the vast majority of porn consumers forward past all the StepBro bullshit to get to the people fucking, so whatever psyop you think is being produced barely matters.

At least some porn producers really were quite openly doing psyops, like Al Goldstein, the literal stereotype of the porn Jew, who openly said he hated Western civilization and was trying to destroy it with degenerate smut.

Among other things, he said "The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks." So there quite literally is a tradition in porn of deliberately degrading society, more than merely seeking hedonistic goals.

I think porn is somewhat like alcohol and other drugs, in that it is virtually impossible to eliminate it, people have the right to consume it, but pretending it's harmless and has no societal ill effects is bullshit.

That said, most people drink a couple of beers on the weekend and don't shoot heroin or smoke crack. Similarly, most porn consumers are into relatively harmless stuff, not the absolutely depraved shit that is available. But exposure to the really bad stuff at an early age really fucks up people's development, and I think a lot of stuff, including hardcore misogyny, misandry, and the whole incel thing, have a lot to do with people getting utterly distorted ideas, at least partly because of porn.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I swear to God; why do people these days act like they have no (and shouldn't be held to have any) self-management or self-control or perspective? So you watch porn, and you can watch anything that catches your fancy. Big fucking deal. Get a fucking grip, and I don't mean the one on your dick. Get yourself together, ffs.

 

[Cool Dog Returns]

he majority of women do not want to be choked, spat on, hit, pressured into oral or anal, or otherwise degraded.

Its women who buy most of that degrading porn, did you forget 50 shades? it wasnt men buying that shitty book

 

[Kermit Jizz]

All the women are horrified becasue men expect them to be clean shaven, and do all this stuff and for them, maybe they’ve only been with one person before, it’s horrific.

What exactly are they wanting that is horrific? I'm assuming you're talking about hardcore shit like anal and serious choking, but you only mention being clean shaven which seems to be pretty standard contemporarily speaking.

 

[WebLurker]

What exactly are they wanting that is horrific? I'm assuming you're talking about hardcore shit like anal and serious choking, but you only mention being clean shaven which seems to be pretty standard contemporarily speaking.

Clean-shaven privates was originally only done by prostitutes to avoid pubic lice infestations; they would then wear merkins (pubic wigs) to hide their stds from customers. Porn actresses shave so that their genitals can be more clearly observed getting fucked because that's the whole idea of porn.

Normal women never used to shave until porn started tainting every aspect of western culture. Now they're expected to present themselves like porn actresses (ie. whores) despite the fact that shaving the genitals leaves a woman prone to infection because the crotch is an warm area of the body that acculates sweat and is thus a breeding ground for bacteria and the removal of hair leaves mirco-tears in the skin that can allow that bacteria into the body

https://www.healthline.com/health/purpose-of-pubic-hair#risks-associated-with-removal

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5591962/

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/257885#2

Adult women having hairless groins isn't normal or natural; it's a symptom of how porn-sick western society has become that men think it's normal and natural.

 

[Zagrim]

the internet is ancap country, stop bringing your retarded christian fundamentalism here

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

Whos telling you not to stick your dick in crazy as a teen?...

That's a good point. I didn't hear that until I was in college.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Why can't you just stick to drawings, 3D models and NSFW fanfic? Why do you feel the need to ruin people's lives for the coom?

 

[ITK]

Why can't you just stick to drawings, 3D models and NSFW fanfic? Why do you feel the need to ruin people's lives for the coom?

Those things certainly hurt other people a lot less, but I think in a sense they are even worse than live-action because it's even more abstract, more perfect, more of a simulacrum.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Adult women having hairless groins isn't normal or natural; it's a symptom of how porn-sick western society has become that men think it's normal and natural.

That's exactly what I was saying, it is considered normal nowadays so I wouldn't expect any women to be disturbed by it.

You also forgot the most important reason for a woman to shave, receiving head. She ain't getting twelve inches of froggy tongue love if I have to chew through bush.

 

[Bloitzhole]

Adult women having hairless groins isn't normal or natural; it's a symptom of how porn-sick western society has become that men think it's normal and natural.

No offense, but those sources kinda suck:
The healthline article was written by an individual that "holds a BSc in psychology and an MFA in creative writing". The medicalnewstoday article refers to a study with a grand total of n=6 (30 participants, 6 female) people going to a skincare clinic. The Schild-Suhren et al. Northern Germany study from 2017 has more people but cites half a dozen factors limiting the validity of the (correlating) results because it's a pilot study, including a shitton of self-reporting, all of which would need to be followed up on (I could not find any study that did).

I get that the current zeitgeist has a tendency to overdramatize everything in the context of health (googling any common symptom will usually lead you to a diagnosis of some kind of new supercanceraids) but trimming some body hair isn't going to do you in - and not every trend in fashion or sexuality is a symptom or consequence of some grand cultural downfall. When I was in my mid-to-late teens, when smartphones and pornography were not as ubiquitous, plenty of young girls (and guys) kept their privates trimmed, mostly because people don't like getting hair in their face and mouth when they get busy. People also shave their Armpits, which is certainly also a warm, sweaty, enclosed area.
I don't think anyone would claim it's natural - neither is showering daily, the latter causing plenty of people dry skin by removing healthy skin oils - but we still do it because we value smelling pleasant for the people we get intimate with over these minor health "risks".
I also have a hard time imagining people of any age in real life (ie: not weird fringe incels on the internet) having a hard stance on genital shaving to the extend that they assume waxing pubes is the norm because they saw it in porn.

I think porn is somewhat like alcohol and other drugs, in that it is virtually impossible to eliminate it, people have the right to consume it, but pretending it's harmless and has no societal ill effects is bullshit.

That said, most people drink a couple of beers on the weekend and don't shoot heroin or smoke crack. Similarly, most porn consumers are into relatively harmless stuff, not the absolutely depraved shit that is available. But exposure to the really bad stuff at an early age really fucks up people's development, and I think a lot of stuff, including hardcore misogyny, misandry, and the whole incel thing, have a lot to do with people getting utterly distorted ideas, at least partly because of porn.

I think this is 100% it.

As with most enjoyable things that people go overboard with, it's also matter of overconsumption, overreliance and attempting to fill a void with some sort of quick rush. And as with most of those things, impressionable retarded teens can easily develop mental issues when confronted with them.

 

[WebLurker]

but trimming some body hair isn't going to do you in

Not talking about trimming. Trimming is hygenic because it reduces heat and therefore thrush outbreaks. I'm talking about shaving - which leaves mirco-tears and at the very least can lead to nasty shit like ingrown hairs and rashes etc. at the worst can lead to the shit in those articles.

Shaving is for the better filming of the act of fucking. Onlyfan Ewhores shave so that their clientele can better see their pussies to masturbate to.

Those in romantic relationships don't need to display their snatch for viewership because their stable partner is already well-acquainted with her intimate parts.

Ladies trim, whores shave.

 

[Alouatta Simia Belzebul]

Here's the thing Jack; I guarantee you the vast majority of porn consumers forward past all the StepBro bullshit to get to the people fucking, so whatever psyop you think is being produced barely matters.

If just ignoring it worked, we wouldn't have an advertising industry in general.

I think porn is somewhat like alcohol and other drugs, in that it is virtually impossible to eliminate it, people have the right to consume it, but pretending it's harmless and has no societal ill effects is bullshit.

I agree it is going to be more or less impossible to put the cat back in the bag with adults voluntarily consuming porn, which is why I think all focus should be on getting it away from kids first, mass campaign around porn addiction second, reframing it / returning it to be a niche weirdo hobby third. But considering that the quantity of psyops that are unanimous in porn, I can't think that there's a casual amount of browsing that's nbd.

Its women who buy most of that degrading porn, did you forget 50 shades? it wasnt men buying that shitty book

Speaking as someone who remembers the whole 50 shades thing very well, knew a bunch of women who were into it, and read the first book myself to see what the fuss was about (literal crap), it was absolutely a response to the increase in bdsm in porn consumed by men, that was slowly leaking out into the media in music videos, fashion etc - it reframed all that stuff in a way that made it seem less threatening and more palatable to women, because christian grey only does it because he's a traumatised little orphan inside and is eventually fixed by the power of love. The dirty skank ex-girlfriend who actually gets off on pain and degradation gets killed off through karma or something. That's literally what happens in the books.

The author's husband did an interview to say that they have zero interest in BDSM in real life and have never tried it, the guy seemed mostly perplexed by the whole thing - but EL James was already working in publishing and saw the upcoming trends on using fanfiction to gather an audience (50 shades started as an alt Twilight fanfic with the names changed) and making bdsm appeal to women. And then it took off from there. Why wouldn't that have been a psyop too?

 

[Bunny Tracks]

That's exactly what I was saying, it is considered normal nowadays so I wouldn't expect any women to be disturbed by it.

You also forgot the most important reason for a woman to shave, receiving head. She ain't getting twelve inches of froggy tongue love if I have to chew through bush.

Yeah, this obsession with women shaving their cunts is weird, and honestly sounds like borderline-incel talk.

Not talking about trimming. Trimming is hygenic because it reduces heat and therefore thrush outbreaks. I'm talking about shaving - which leaves mirco-tears and at the very least can lead to nasty shit like ingrown hairs and rashes etc. at the worst can lead to the shit in those articles.

Shaving is for the better filming of the act of fucking. Onlyfan Ewhores shave so that their clientele can better see their pussies to masturbate to.

Those in romantic relationships don't need to display their snatch for viewership because their stable partner is already well-acquainted with her intimate parts.

Ladies trim, whores shave.

Or, and hear me out here, they just like being able to see everything clearly down there, and so their lover doesn't have to dig through a mass of hair while eating them out.

By the way, genuine question here: do you consider men who shave their crotches to be whores too? Or is it only bad when women do it?

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Clean-shaven privates was originally only done by prostitutes to avoid pubic lice infestations; they would then wear merkins (pubic wigs) to hide their stds from customers. Porn actresses shave so that their genitals can be more clearly observed getting fucked because that's the whole idea of porn.

Now they're expected to present themselves like porn actresses (ie. whores) despite the fact that shaving the genitals leaves a woman prone to infection because the crotch is an warm area of the body that acculates sweat and is thus a breeding ground for bacteria and the removal of hair leaves mirco-tears in the skin that can allow that bacteria into the body

This is needlessly histrionic pearl clutching, who gives a shit what 18th century whores did? As if 99.99% of people today are even aware of that fact or it has any influence in their decisions.

Moreover, how is this any different from literally any type of grooming related to hair removal like men shaving their face, or women shaving their legs or either sex shaving their armpits or plucking? (Or you know, even men shaving their croches, because they do do that)

Furthermore, you admit that it gives a better view of your partner, so its not like its even strictly porn related.

 

[draggs]

Clean-shaven privates was originally only done by prostitutes to avoid pubic lice infestations; they would then wear merkins (pubic wigs) to hide their stds from customers. Porn actresses shave so that their genitals can be more clearly observed getting fucked because that's the whole idea of porn.

Normal women never used to shave until porn started tainting every aspect of western culture. Now they're expected to present themselves like porn actresses (ie. whores) despite the fact that shaving the genitals leaves a woman prone to infection because the crotch is an warm area of the body that acculates sweat and is thus a breeding ground for bacteria and the removal of hair leaves mirco-tears in the skin that can allow that bacteria into the body

https://www.healthline.com/health/purpose-of-pubic-hair#risks-associated-with-removal

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5591962/

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/257885#2

Adult women having hairless groins isn't normal or natural; it's a symptom of how porn-sick western society has become that men think it's normal and natural.

In ancient Greek and Roman culture, all women once they hit puberty kept their vagenes hairless. That was just the cultural standard. They did it by singeing their pubes off with candles lol ouch

Women having bushy privates has been the norm in plenty of cultures, and not in plenty of others. For example at the same time hairless vagenes were the norm in the Greco-Roman world, hairy vagenes were the norm among Semites (Jews and not-Jew semites both) and the Mesopotamians etc.

 

[DankSmoker]

Have you ever pilfered your sibling's Victoria's Secret catalog? You dont know our struggle.

 

[God of Nothing]

unless you cannot orgasm without pornography or get it up without it, there is no problem
you girl posters and your weird ass pussy hair autism
not even the anti-circumsicion guys talk about it like this

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Not talking about trimming. Trimming is hygenic because it reduces heat and therefore thrush outbreaks. I'm talking about shaving - which leaves mirco-tears and at the very least can lead to nasty shit like ingrown hairs and rashes etc. at the worst can lead to the shit in those articles.

Shaving is for the better filming of the act of fucking. Onlyfan Ewhores shave so that their clientele can better see their pussies to masturbate to.

Those in romantic relationships don't need to display their snatch for viewership because their stable partner is already well-acquainted with her intimate parts.

Ladies trim, whores shave.

You're overthinking man. On one hand I agree that dudes who are very particular about perfectly shaven puss are weird, but on the other hand some women just do it just cause. I've dated women who insist they are clean shaven in spite of my protests that's its not a big deal. It's really doesn't matter, it's just some arbitrary choice.

not even the anti-circumsicion guys talk about it like this

I suggest you catch up on GameDude lore.

 

[WebLurker]

By the way, genuine question here: do you consider men who shave their crotches to be whores too? Or is it only bad when women do it?

I know a couple of guys who shave their pubes and they're always itchy and complaining about ingrown hairs. They only shave to look "more attractive" to women, so I think the influence of porn has affected both genders. Everyone wants to look like a porn-star. The brain-rot has become that normalised. That's just depressing to me.