Megathread Jesse Singal Derangement Syndrome - jsingal69 vs TroonWorld

[Ivan Daniloff]

This is a good one. He’s actually describing the swift decline of the radical trans movement due to people like Ana peaking, he just doesn’t realize it yet.

 

[Itchy Hemorrhoids]

A lot of the Blocked material comes from Twitter, either directly from Jesse Twitter drama or from the drama happening laterally on Twitter, often with its own Jesse component. They’re going to have less content now as a result.

Let's be honest: Twitter drama is their show. It gets really, really boring after a while. I sympathize with Singal, because, like JKR the troon movement is burning heretics instead of winning converts, which is fine with me because it's a losing strategy.

Singal's autism is really just saying what a whole lot of normie Democrats think anyway. He's getting nailed to the cross for it because they have no argument and want to demonstrate what happens if you say it.

Katie on the other hand is sort of a contrarian punk ethos and I wouldn't be surprised if she audience captures into ONN or RT at one point. I can't say I would blame her, but it's not because she's a swamp rhino or a woman that she avoids criticism. It's because she isn't the internal monologue of as many people.

 

[Lady Bizness]

1) I'd like to thank whoever posted the clearnet link on the Barpod sub.
2) Anyone notice how often other sub subscribers would moan about how bored they were whenever the pod talked about trannies. Ha ha that's the only reason I was there.

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

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There you have it, reading Jesse's writing is now proof that you yourself are a problem. The Quick Fix belongs on the same shelf Mein Kampf.

Let's be honest: Twitter drama is their show.

Definitely. I think most of their target audience are people like themselves - deep into that one corner of the internet but are not necessarily well traveled. When you bear that in mind stuff like their Mr. Hands discussion in the most recent episode wasn't too surprising or annoying (Katie only knew about him because she lives in Washington, and it was all new to Jesse). They were both out living their lives in 2005 while I was watching that video and participating in a 100 page thread titled "Watch a man getting fucked to death by a horse" on a movie review forum.

Katie on the other hand is sort of a contrarian punk ethos and I wouldn't be surprised if she audience captures into ONN or RT at one point. I can't say I would blame her, but it's not because she's a swamp rhino or a woman that she avoids criticism. It's because she isn't the internal monologue of as many people.

I don't know if Katie does any writing or work outside of the show anymore. Her B&R income is enough to buy all the THC vape juice and jars of peanut butter she could ever need. It's too bad, really, since she's the funnier of the two.

1) I'd like to thank whoever posted the clearnet link on the Barpod sub.

Did they? I can't find the link, maybe KF links are hidden from people who aren't signed in?

 

[Lady Bizness]

Did they? I can't find the link, maybe KF links are hidden from people who aren't signed in?

Search sneed(dot)today in the weekly thread. I was signed in when I saw it.

Edit: thanks for the trip down memory lane. I cant remember if that's where I found it, but I saw Mr. Hands in 2005 as well. A decade later my husband thought he was really shocking me with that story because he knew some horse people from there.

 

[Criticallacitirc]

Whenever Jesse talks about something besides trannies I instantly develop Jesse Singal Derangement Syndrome.

Ana Kasparian of TYT said she doesn’t think Jesse is transphobic, troons are outraged
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some of the responses to Ana that are deranged or amused me:
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When did "cross sex hormones" become a dog whistle to these freaks ? I'm pretty deep in terf twitter and that's a new one.

Also big LOL at them always trying to imply Jesee is a tranny chaser as an insult. I never understand this line of thinking, they're basically admitting that liking trannies is disgusting.

 

[Lady Bizness]

When did "cross sex hormones" become a dog whistle to these freaks ? I'm pretty deep in terf twitter and that's a new one.

Also big LOL at them always trying to imply Jesee is a tranny chaser as an insult. I never understand this line of thinking, they're basically admitting that liking trannies is disgusting.

They appropriate everything from the gay movement before them. In this case it's Christian republican politicians tapping their feet under the stalls of public restrooms well known for anonymous homo activities. I'm not even sure how frequently that even happened but it was a common insult to accuse anyone with an anti gay agenda of being closeted themselves.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

some of the responses to Ana that are deranged or amused me:
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"gone full MAGA"
"she's actually extremely far gone and already radicalised ... jk goebbels ... use of terminology is deeply revealing"
"lift the veil that they truly hate trans people"
"an existential threat to the marginalized community"
"hitler particle emissions"
"stole medical info from kids"
"[if you] cricize or mock [trans] THEN YOU ARE A TRANSPHOBE!"
"May your friends and family stop recognizing you as the person they loved."

I miss when they used to call themselves the Reality Based Community.

 

[Maginot]

Anyone bothered figuring out which federal agency enforces and prosecutes violations of HIPPA? That's another refrain I've been seeing from the hate squad. That just seems like it would be a verifiable thing. Then they could spam that agency for effective pressure instead of shit posting as some sort of adolescent fever dream.
I guess it makes sense if you gotta get you five minutes of hate on and need to show it.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

Anyone bothered figuring out which federal agency enforces and prosecutes violations of HIPPA? That's another refrain I've been seeing from the hate squad. That just seems like it would be a verifiable thing. Then they could spam that agency for effective pressure instead of shit posting as some sort of adolescent fever dream.
I guess it makes sense if you gotta get you five minutes of hate on and need to show it.

The problem is that Jesse is not a medical care provider, he literally cannot violate the law.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I think I've listened to everything (free) since #154 (Tranch).

The problem is that Jesse is not a medical care provider, he literally cannot violate the law.

HIPPA is a magic incantation to people. I saw it used against a 1A auditor once.

 

[Itchy Hemorrhoids]

HIPPA is a magic incantation to people.

Every fat medical receptionist uses it as an excuse to make you sign stacks of papers that have nothing to do with it, pertaining to information that has nothing to do with it. Like most laws it's common sense + 1 or 2 exceptions.

This same mentality has been extended to "PII." Do fucking retards remember phone books? Anything that is a public record isn't a fucking state secret.

 

[quackrock]

I wouldn't be surprised if she audience captures into ONN

Did you mean OANN? I read ONN as the Onion News Network.

 

[Tard Whisperer]

Lol Jesse has been tweeting about this podcast "Capturing the New York Times - The Anti-Trans Hate Machine: A Plot Against Equality" [archive]

The podcast is an attempt at wondery-style storytelling about a theythem NYT employee who is victimized by NYT publishing Jesse.

The protagonist:

Harper grew up in a leafy, California suburb. Their family, part of an ethnic minority, actively participated in a variety of cultural and religious traditions. But for Harper what sticks out most from their childhood was how reading the news was a key part of their daily routine.
[...]
New York allowed Harper to express their emerging understanding of their sexuality.

They even juggled two girlfriends at the same time. In two different states.

But the city also allowed them to experiment with their gender identity too.

Harper: so, the first year, you know, I had already sort of been dressing masculine-of-center. But that first year, after 2013, I cut my hair, that summer is also the summer I come out to my parents.

My brother lived in New York at the time as well and so, you know, we’d go to the department store together and we’d both be in the men’s section. Like it was a visible shift for me where this is what’s more comfortable for me. And it’s ok to sort of openly embrace that and accept that and throw myself into that.
[...]
Entering its glass lobby and sleek wooden elevator banks, which ultimately led to a shining conference room, the New York Times headquarters reminded Harper of a modern museum.

But something personal and unexpected also stood out to them.

Harper: You know, I’m escorted up by somebody from the same ethnic background as me and she’s wearing ethnic garb actually that day Immediately, Harper sensed parts of their identity coming together in what seems like an opportunity of a lifetime. Their sexual orientation, their cultural background, and love for storytelling were in sync for the first time.

One of the Times first crimes: suggesting that teens binding their breasts can be harmful, which Harper finds "laughable"

Earlier that day, the Times published a story called “Chest Binding Helps Smooth the Way for Transgender Teens, but There May Be Risks.” The story casts chest binding as a dangerous activity, especially for trans youth.
[...]
Harper: It sort of feels laughable to me at first because binding has been around forever. It’s something I’m doing. People in the community – we all talk about how you do it properly.

And then Jesse Singal attacked:

These frustrations ignited one day in September 2021 when the New York Times published an article that would change everything for Harper.

As soon as they got out of bed that Tuesday, it was clear that something was wrong.

Harper: I wake up to messages, oh my God, did you see, did you see, did you see it?

Everyone is speaking out. Everyone is DMing me.

Harper’s heart sank as they started to understand what the avalanche of messages was about.

The New York Times had published a book review by Jesse Singal. He’s the first mainstream journalist to spread disinformation about a supposed trans social contagion. We explored that in episode 3 of this season.

And he’s well known for being a provocateur who consistently attacks trans people online.

Singal had been tapped to review the book “Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality” by anti-trans writer Helen Joyce, which argues that gender identity isn’t real and that gender is a biological fact.

Anyone familiar with Singal at all would be aware of his anti-trans leanings. So choosing him to review the book sent a loud message.

And as Harper began to read the book review, they realized it was essentially a buffet of anti-trans talking points.

Harper: I get maybe a paragraph or two in, and I, you know, my stomach drops even further. It’s hard for me to read just as a trans person.

As they geared up for work, Harper braced themselves. They knew that as a leader in Times Out? they would be in the middle of the controversy inside the paper.

And outside the paper, readers and trans people online were furious about the book review. The criticism was getting louder and louder on social media. And all of this told Harper that this was going to be explosive.

Harper: I’m immediately realizing that this fury is reaching like crisis mode and we’ve gotta move on it asap,

Harper logged on and began to coordinate with Times Out, which asked for meetings with top newsroom leaders and management.

The Times Troon Squad bands together to try to find something factually inaccurate in Jesse's piece

Harper: There’s factually incorrect things in this, so, he’s just been given a soapbox with which to talk about things that aren’t actually correct.

In response, the Standards Desk, the part of the Times that implements the style guide, agreed to meet. And during that meeting Harper and their colleagues were asked to flag precisely what the problems were in the piece. So after the meeting, they begin to work together to do just that.

Harper: And so we’re literally copying and pasting his text into a doc and saying, okay, as Times Out folks. Let’s go through this line by line and see if we can actually be like this graph is not cited, and sort of trying to go through that because we still think at this point, assuming good faith, you know, we’re trying to understand was this fact checked? I think there was an assumption on my part that the quicker we get this to standards, You know, the quicker we can just fix it.

Harper was going through the motions and doing the next right thing. But internally, they were in crisis. Up until then, they had maintained the belief that the anti-trans ideas that had been cropping up in the New York Times had been an accident. That the shortcomings in the paper’s trans coverage were mistakes and ignorance, not an indication of a larger anti-trans environment. With the publication of this book review though, Harper felt doubt creeping in.

Harper: it takes a simple Googling of Jesse Singal to know who he is. Is it possible they didn’t Google him? There was still an assumption that maybe there was some small chance that the Times did not know who he was. And then sort of an immediate like, well, it seems unlikely.

The next day, Times Out learned that the editor of the book section where the review was published had hand-picked Signal to write the piece. The doubt Harper felt grew.

Moreover, the editor of the books section, Pamela Paul, had a lot of clout at the paper. It became clear to Harper and others at Times Out that they wouldn’t get face time with that editor. It also became clear that no correction or editor’s note would be added to the piece. And efforts to engage with the paper’s leadership about this were going nowhere.

it was so deeply hurtful so Harper decides to embarrass herself by emailing a Times higher up about how she's been hurt: "I want to know that the Times hears me and sees me as a queer and trans person of color, and is taking my lived experience seriously."

Harper: I’m feeling very raw and vulnerable, and I think that Jesse Singal piece hurt me in a way as an employee I had spent about three years at this point defending the paper to myself, to people around me who often went, oh, how can you work at a place like that? It was so deeply hurtful for me that I had spent all of this time defending this

it felt like we’re just continuing to do the thing that we say we don’t wanna do. You know, we wanna change this place. We’re not doing that. We wanna do better in terms of stories. We’re not doing that. We wanna change the way we talk about things or our style guide. We’re not doing that. And I feel like it came to a head with this piece.

So, almost out of desperation, Times Out leaders decided that their best bet was to go to the very top of the news food chain: Managing Editor Dean Baquet. Not only was Baquet the leader who showed so much heart and empathy in the wake of George Floyd, but because Dean ran the newsroom, he could really make things happen. Baquet’s word would cut through all of the other layers.But their official request to talk to Dean was rebuffed. So Harper decided to be bold. They felt that the moment called for it.
Harper: It’s like my last life raft that I’m throwing out by reaching out to Dean because I think on some level, what I didn’t know then was that I was about to give up, I think it happened so rapidly for me to be worn down that it was my last chance. I thought the least, and the last thing that I could do is make an emotional appeal to the man who stood in that newsroom in 2021, and United us, right? Who made us feel like, you know, our colleagues were going to be heard and seen. I thought, oh, if I just make an emotional appeal to the highest guy in, the most power in this place, it will resonate. Maybe he just didn’t understand and maybe the paper just didn’t understand how hard it is to be a trans employee at the New York Times.

So Harper wrote an email to Dean. They hoped to appeal to the sense of justice and sensitivity he had shown Black reporters after the Tom Cotton Op-Ed. They wanted him to understand that the choices the paper was making were once again having an emotional impact not just on readers, but on the people who dedicated themselves to the Times.

Harper: Hi Dean. You may remember me as the controversial blazer wearing ugly sweater contest winner of 2018. I know our paths have crossed a bit in my three years at the Times, but we haven’t had much time to talk one-on-one. I’m reaching out today as a trans non-binary NYT employee who has been deeply hurt by this week, by the actions of my own employer. I want to preface this by saying never before have I walked into a workplace on day one and felt like I belonged. For me, that’s been the magic of this place. Of this institution, of the journalism we do and the values we uphold.

Reviewing this book was absolutely the right call. Picking a cisgender, transphobic person who has a history of denying gender identity is real and who has hurt and defamed transgender journalists was not the right call. As much as transgender issues have come to the forefront in the last few years as people, we’ve always been here. I’m heartened by the progress the Times has made this past year and the renewed efforts towards DEI goals that are backed by action.

It becomes hard to be so invested in our journalism and our coverage when internally our members share the feeling that the Times is not only not as inclusive as it could be, but is actively doing harm to trans, to trans and queer folks inside the building. I don’t know how to defend this place that I love, the people and reporters and editors I love working with when my existence as a trans person feels like it’s up for debate. I’m writing to you because I respect you a lot. I wanna make a difference here. I want to know that the Times hears me and sees me as a queer and trans person of color, and is taking my lived experience seriously. There’s a lot more work to be done, but healing the pain that has been caused would require starting with an acknowledgement of our wrongs with a true desire to understand where we’ve made mistakes. Thank you for taking the time to hear me out, and I look forward to hearing from you.

NYT responds by "re-inflicting the pain":

So Dean responds.

Of course I remember this sweater. I’m also glad you wrote. I do want the Times to be an inclusive place. It is important to me personally and professionally, but I have to tell you, I disagree with you in this instance. I know Pamela worked hard to find someone to review the book. There was not a long line of people who were willing to do so, to be honest. And for all the criticism of the choice in the building and on social media, I have not seen much criticism of the actual review. There is another very large principle at play here. The editor of the book review has to have tremendous freedom to make choices. Each of us has political views, personal views, and friends who write books. I think she worked tremendously hard to manage all of those issues. Harper I do hope this disagreement doesn’t make you less proud of the place, the place hasn’t changed.

Imara: When you hear those words, both his and yours, what strikes you now?

Harper: To be very honest, I think hearing my own words back now I could not have been more clear that I was in pain. I’m really proud of what I wrote. I feel for the person who wrote that and the former self that was in that position because I can just hear the pain in those words. I think what strikes me still today and did at the time was Dean’s response. You know, he had been sort of an emblematic figure for me about the hope for change that this place could and wanted to be better, and even now hearing it feels hurtful yet again. it is re inflicting of pain that is already in that initial ask. If you think about it, all I’m asking on some level in that initial letter is, please see me, please see my pain because there is something happening here that I don’t understand and it’s causing me pain. And so maybe we can at least start with acknowledging that that’s real.I’m asking for that to be validated. and his response is ignoring all of that, there is also a defense of the choice that , then adds insult to injury.

I think it sort of, it makes me crestfallen even now, and I think that’s how I felt at the time I think of a balloon just deflating, you know, all of the last hope I had for the Times to understand what I was experiencing or going through,was gone because I don’t think I knew at that time, how deeply hurtful it had been. So hearing that back now is as difficult as it was then, because I know how the story ends.

Imara: Well, and also like for me, it is the pain which is palpable and should be heard and dealt with and responded to. But you’re also saying that what happened here was wrong, and what happened here is not what we’re supposed to be about and you know better. And so it’s beyond just your own personal pain, you’re actually holding the place to the standards that you know, because your job was to uphold those standards. That’s why they hired you. That was your first job.

You knew what they were. Just like every other article that you’d read in your first couple of years there and that you’d flagged when something was wrong, it was your job to point out when something was not in line with what the paper was supposed to be and what you were supposed to be doing, just like you had done on in several other instances you were doing that. And then for the person who is emblematic, who is in charge of the entire operation to say, no, actually what we did was alright I mean, I can’t imagine that that also didn’t feel like a deep betrayal.

Harper: Yeah, I was heartbroken. Betrayal is the right word. I was heartbroken because I wanted someone, anyone at that point, at my breaking point to see me and to see what was happening at the paper. in a way that I didn’t even see. You know, I allude to the fact that I felt like something larger was happening that I didn’t understand. I wanted someone to see that, I wanted validation of that because I felt crazy. I felt like I spent the last three years playing Whack A Mole with all of these issues, all of these articles with a place that you trusted me to be in. And I can’t be the only one that sees that something is going wrong and I can’t be the only one that sees that editorially. This is not the place that I thought it was.

Harper was crushed, but they didn’t have a lot of time to dwell on their feelings in the moment. They had been in the process of applying for another job at the paper, a role which would make deputy managing editor Sam Dolnik their new boss. Dolnik also happens to be a cousin to the Times’ publisher, AG Sulzberger. Despite all that happened, they still felt they had to go through the motions of the final interview with him.

In a job interview for a promotion Harper was asked about the book review, triggering her to have a "trauma response" and "everything comes crashing down"

And the interview seemed to be pretty standard until Dolnik asked Harper how they felt about the book review from Jesse Singal.

Harper: physically for me, it was as if all the air left my body. Like I suddenly, what I could now probably have the language to describe is like a trigger, like a trauma response in that moment where I was so caught off guard and so many wheels started turning in my mind at once, but I also felt frozen. And sort of my immediate thing was to joke, jokingly deflect. And so I said, Oh Sam, you know, are you trying to get me in trouble? Ha ha ha

And he said, No, no, I really want to know what you think? You know, Dean shared with us at the masthead, um, your note and so I just, I just wanted to hear from you, what you think of what happened. And I think immediately, if all the air had already left my body, at that point, like my heart sunk. Because I was realizing two things. One was, this was a test

And the second thing that really struck me was that Dean had shared my letter, my note to him. And, you know, I realized later how heartbreaking that was for me. It felt like a breach of trust. I had written to Dean in a very personal, personal, vulnerable way. I was shocked.

It was at this moment Harper realized this wasn’t just any interview—they were quietly being told that they had been labeled as a troublemaker. And so Harper pulled their application.

Harper: I think emotionally for me, that was the first time it sort of starts to sink in for me that perhaps my career trajectory that I sort of came in with, believed was possible for me at the Times, would no longer be possible because I had, I had gone all the way to the top with, with my, defiance. And that that was going to be marked on me forever as long as I stayed there.

For Harper, there was a lot of grief in this realization. Everything had come crashing down so fast. The book review that set off this chain of events had only been published a few weeks before. And Harper had put so much of themselves into trying to make a difference at The New York Times. They had put their work ahead of their own mental health and even their marriage.

Harper: I was a shadow of myself,

It was very difficult at the time to navigate trying to exit the Times and have my personal life fall as well. But it allowed for both of those things to coincide. And for me to realize that relationship between the professional and the personal. I had always thought that they were separate and that I could keep them separate. But it’s the first time that I finally realized how tied they were.

Harper eventually accepted another job offer and left the New York Times. But they were in crisis.

They had once had what they envisioned as a perfect life— a big marriage and the dream job.

And it had all fallen apart.

 

[Geranium]

Podcast: "Harper: There’s factually incorrect things in this, so, he’s just been given a soapbox with which to talk about things that aren’t actually correct."
Jesse: Please tell me what the mistakes are so I can get them corrected.
Podcast: …


@jessesingal, tweet 1681297761734660098 (archive)

J. Reads and Writes (@JLCederblom) · Jul 18, 2023 · 1:38 PM UTC
"This is full of errors!"
"I'd love to fix any errors, I would be most grateful if you could tell me them."
"..."
It's always crickets, isn't it?

Jesse Singal (@jessesingal) · Jul 18, 2023 · 1:39 PM UTC
This has been my general experience. I did email @imarajones yesterday but haven't heard back. Hopefully she's looking into it.

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

Harper: And so we’re literally copying and pasting his text into a doc and saying, okay, as Times Out folks. Let’s go through this line by line and see if we can actually be like this graph is not cited, and sort of trying to go through that because we still think at this point, assuming good faith, you know, we’re trying to understand was this fact checked? I think there was an assumption on my part that the quicker we get this to standards, You know, the quicker we can just fix it.

This is clever. She implies here that she found lots of factual errors without actually saying so, and of course it's just allowed to slide.

. I thought, oh, if I just make an emotional appeal to the highest guy in, the most power in this place, it will resonate. Maybe he just didn’t understand and maybe the paper just didn’t understand how hard it is to be a trans employee at the New York Times.

Maybe if I whine to this guy he'll be worried about trannies threatening his job by stirring up a shitstorm on Twitter. I'll bet you anything that she linked to Twitter threads of people freaking out about similar bullshit in a version of the email we'll never see.

 

[TheMonkeyMan]

Does the podcast actually quote anything from Jesse’s book review?

 

[Tard Whisperer]

Does the podcast actually quote anything from Jesse’s book review?

Nope.

the podcast host is offering to tell Jesse what's wrong in his review only if he comes on the show for an interview, and wants him to instead email the Times fact-checker to ask this

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UN Women hosts first high-level event on gender diversity and non-binary identities at UN headquarters - 6/18/2019

In the first ever high-level meeting on gender diversity and non-binary identities held at UN headquarters in New York, Member States, UN entities and civil society came together to discuss the current state of LGBTI rights globally.

“We are at a stage where there is tremendous, one might say unprecedented progress,” said Imara Jones, journalist and moderator of the event. “There are trans people and gender nonconforming people and gay people, and lesbian people and bisexual people who have been elected to offices around the world. There’s a tremendous amount of advance of rights, both in the global north and the global south, and of course tremendous representation in the media... But the violence and the backlash is also unprecedented and in some places in the world, historic.”

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[Sayer of the N-Word]

This is what happens when you tell people on your podcast that you won't take legal action against people for libel no matter what.

Null can't force the infamous rapist Liz Fong Jones to answer for his behavior in court because Null's one of the most hated people on the lowercase i internet and he is cut off fromthe financial system more thoroughly than the Taliban. Jesse literally has no reason not to, he just said he wouldn't in an episode of B&R where he sounded like he was going to cry.

 

[FarmVille]

I thought Jesse said he was giving up Twitter?

I know the autistic thunderdome claims St Elon eradicated the tranny jannys, but it shows how deep a stink ditch that place is when Jesse’s milquetoast, 80% of Dem voters over 35, opinions spark trending topics worth of outrage