Titanic tourist submersible goes missing with search under way

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The Segway guy Segwayed off a cliff.
Anyone know any other examples?

(Not saying he was a bloated tick, just a very rich guy who died at the hand of his own creation)
Howard Hughes died a paranoid recluse with toenails so long they spiraled, mumbling racist slurs and terrified of germs. Of course he wasn't a bloated tick either, just crazy as a shithouse rat, and wasn't destroyed by his own invention but by his own madness.
 
Would committing suicide with said creation really count as "died at the hand of his own creation?"
Here’s the thing though, if you watch that interview with Karl Stanley, the other low budget sub guy, after he’s done telling about how Rush’s family were lizard-worshipping Bilderbergers, he kinda sorta implies it might have been deliberate, and then “won’t comment on the record”.
 
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Here’s the thing though, if you watch that interview with Karl Stanley, the other low budget sub guy, after he’s done telling about how Rush’s family were lizard-worshipping Bilderbergers, he kinda sorta implies it might have been deliberate, and then “won’t comment on the record”.
Why? Was there something ugly in the books, like he was going broke or something?
 
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If it's fucked up enough you have to push a panic button it could easily be fucked up in that way too.
You do have a point... If they are relying on emergency oxygen tanks but with no way to re-compress the air, then in the scenario where they didn't implode and weren't very clearly dead for days they might be pumping more and more oxygen into the thing and raising the air pressure, so when they do get rescued they pop like zits the moment the hatch is unbolted.
 
It will have had ballast tanks for trim as well as buoyancy control. It appeared to have a set of “dive weights” that were dropped every time too.
I’m not an expert but I suspect it should have operated like this: with the ballast tanks fully filled it would descend at a slow rate, taking a few hours to reach the bottom. Then the ballast tanks would be emptied (by blowing air from a high pressure tank into them), this would end up with neutral buoyancy and ability to adjust trim and make small changes in depth as you float around the object you’re looking at.

It's hard to tell because most of the pictures are of it being tested and not finished, but where are the ballast tanks?

At least two-thirds of the vehicle is just a tube. Is there some trim ballast section under the floor they are sitting in within the tube? Are they letting in water into that? Which doesn't really make sense to me.

From whatever little I know about submarines. And being a scuba diver. I have no fucking clue how this submarine actually worked.
 
It's hard to tell because most of the pictures are of it being tested and not finished, but where are the ballast tanks?

At least two-thirds of the vehicle is just a tube. Is there some trim ballast section under the floor they are sitting in within the tube? Are they letting in water into that? Which doesn't really make sense to me.

From whatever little I know about submarines. And being a scuba diver. I have no fucking clue how this submarine actually worked.
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Why? Was there something ugly in the books, like he was going broke or something?

I think that was the implication. He’d rather continue to roll the dice with a high chance of going out painlessly than give up and admit having burned billions and failed.

You do have a point... If they are relying on emergency oxygen tanks but with no way to re-compress the air, then in the scenario where they didn't implode and weren't very clearly dead for days they might be pumping more and more oxygen into the thing and raising the air pressure,

It seems rhe air supply / recycling was one of the more robust systems. In one video, the PH guy says they were stuck on the ocean floor for *3 days* in a previous mishap. And he kept breathing.

At least two-thirds of the vehicle is just a tube. Is there some trim ballast section under the floor they are sitting in within the tube? Are they letting in water into that? Which doesn't really make sense to me.

On other mini subs like the Alvin, these are tanks or spheres outside the cabin. In the titan they *might* have used the space under the flat floor for cylinders. Reason I say that is there’s a pic of a manual hydraulic valve that’s clearly to do with ballast,, marked with sharpie. If that’s inside there’s a good chance the tank is inside too.
 
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Did the sub have some sort of telemetry for control to look at? Based off the alleged transcript, I seems like there was no telemetry stream, which is crazy. If there was some sort of telemetry showing descent rate, it's even worse that control didn't say anything about it. Or maybe they wanted to but couldn't because Rush was a supreme egotist.
As far as I'm aware from what's been released there was no way for the base to gather and monitor telemetry while the dive was in progress, control relied entirely on status updates from Rush himself, hence (if the transcript is legit) their constant requests for status updates and increasingly frantic queries to Rush.
This alone is insane, given what we know about the persistent power problems the Sub experienced, if they lost main power, control back on the ship had no way to monitor the situation, combine this with Rush's refusal to even include something as basic as a GPS locator beacon, and the fact they were bolted into the sub and totally reliant on outside assistance to even get out of the thing, if anything shy of a catastrophic implosion had happened, if base ever lost contact with the Sub they had no way to even locate the thing, if it had got back to the surface but been off course and out of contact, they would have been bobbing about in the middle of the Atlantic with no means to get out or summon help.
 
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It's hard to tell because most of the pictures are of it being tested and not finished, but where are the ballast tanks?

At least two-thirds of the vehicle is just a tube. Is there some trim ballast section under the floor they are sitting in within the tube? Are they letting in water into that? Which doesn't really make sense to me.

From whatever little I know about submarines. And being a scuba diver. I have no fucking clue how this submarine actually worked.
You're not alone. This thing was intended to look like a sleek cool ultra modern highest of high tech sub. A modern sleek simplified ine, like an iphone or SpaceX deathtrap. Style trumped substance.

Trying to figure out how it worked will drive you insane. It looked awful for trim and ballast. I think there might have been 2 glass spheres of some sort in the rear tail that were part of the ballance system. It was something one of the experts found sketchy as hell.

The obvious answer was it was badly designed. Was underpowered with poor control authority and limited or nonexistant ballast control beyond "dump the trash heap"
 
We'll probably have to wait for the inquiry, for the full details but yeah, it was such a weird design, normally subs have ballast tanks they fill to submerge and then purge with high pressure air to achieve positive buoyancy, it looks like all the working parts were in that fairing astern, but it didn't look big enough for any ballast tanks.
I'm wondering if the weight of the Titanium end caps was equalled by the positive displacement of the air filled pressure chamber, which made it neutrally buoyant and they just used external ballast to make it sink.
The thrusters didn't look big enough to maneuver, look at the thrusters on Alvin, they're big, not like the ones Rush had.
I know there were external ballast they could drop, Rush was using cast iron pipes and bags of steel shot, but the thing was so poorly balanced according to Karl Stanley, Rush made the passengers line up along one side of the sub when they dropped the external ballast to prevent it from rolling over as the center of gravity changed.
There were no seats or anything to secure people in place in the event of anything going wrong, you'd have been thrown around like coffee beans in a grinder.
I'm not sure why anyone trusted a cylindrical pressure chamber either, especially one made from an untested material like carbon fiber that any materials scientist will tell you is not good under compression, every expert I've seen interviewed about DSV's, from Stanley, to Cameron, to Ballard and Jaque Picard, who first took Trieste to Challenger Deep, said pressure vessels are round, as close as you can get them (Limiting Factor is titanium machined to 1000's of a millimeter tolerances) as that's the best shape to resist that ungodly pressure.
Rush's Fleshligh looked like a tube of toothpaste, and probably performed the same function when it collapsed.
 
We'll probably have to wait for the inquiry, for the full details but yeah, it was such a weird design, normally subs have ballast tanks they fill to submerge and then purge with high pressure air to achieve positive buoyancy, it looks like all the working parts were in that fairing astern, but it didn't look big enough for any ballast tanks.
Deep sea submersibles don't use air-purged ballast tanks. They don't need the capability to repeatedly surface and submerge, they do need to be fail safe (buoyant) which can only be achieved by droppable ballast.

The thrusters didn't look big enough to maneuver, look at the thrusters on Alvin, they're big, not like the ones Rush had.
It's lighter than Alvin, intended only for sightseeing and not manipulation and research, and it was designed by idiots.
 
If those leaked transcripts are true that is a horrifying way to go. I don't know if constant banging and knowing you will be dead any second is a better death than being trapped on the bottom of the seafloor with no hope of rescue.

What a fucking horrifying way to go. I'd still love to hear what was going on in that half hour or so out of morbid curiosity, like those bear lover tapes.
 
Wow. Have to say the transcript (well, it’s not a transcript it’s the verbatim messages, if true) looks pretty realistic.

It was stated early on about the descent rate being too fast and dropping ballast being one of the last messages, but to see the comms and the length of time involved is chilling.

Skeptical if it was overweight due to water ingress (it should take a *lot* of water) or simply another unrelated fuckup, about calculating the ballast and buoyancy. Sounds like it was descending too fast from minute 1.
It made me think whether this whole system was ever even tested, I'd be amazed if it wasn't, but not exactly surprised.

More like Stockton Crush amirite?
 
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