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[Itchy Hemorrhoids]

Look for SOME people, sure, the Suburbs will leave them lonely, #notall.

Getting away from people is exactly why people move away from bughives. It's a feature.

 

[quaawaa]

Today, a /r/fuckcars user posts a map of a Dallas suburb that shows that it is "potentially" "fixable":



OP's screenshot is of Richardson, Texas
Google Maps
/r/fuckcars users wouldn't be caught dead in this area, not because of the sprawl or the cars, but because of the diversity and class:

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There are two big problems with OP's plan.
#1:

#2:
Minus the bike lanes, the city is already laid out exactly how proposes with retail and apartments on the corners of the subdivision.
The yellow boxes are full of the "missing" middle housing:
The northwest has two townhouse complexes:

The southwest has more townhouses and a lot of apartments:

The northeast has more apartment complexes:

as does the southeast:


The low traffic side streets are marked as bike friendly, only a single lane per direction, and have sidewalks:

There are also several schools inside the subdivision and kids do not have to walk on any major road to get to them from any of the houses.

All of the yellow boxes are already zoned for mixed-use, people just live next to retail instead of on top of it!

As this is a poorer area of town there are a lot of light industrial buildings.
Richer areas have office buildings, like OP wants, instead:

I cheated a little as Texan cities put the office buildings along the highway frontage roads, not in the middle of neighborhoods. This neighborhood happens to be bordered on one side by a highway, but not every rich neighborhood has a bunch of office towers next to it.

Now to the comments:

That area is already served by buses that come every half hour:

Few use them because nearly everyone owns a car, as shown by the census data above.


It already is a five minute bike trip away, but everyone still drives because shopping every day is worse than driving to the store once a week.


The northwest corner has three convivence stores, three full sized grocery stores (one of which is Indian). The northeast corner has three convivence stores, a Starbucks (you're not getting hipster cafes in a poor area), and a grocery store. The southeast corner has a Thai grocery store, a Vietnamese grocery store, a Hispanic grocery store, and what looks like a small Indian grocery store. It also has several convivence stores and several dozen restaurants. The southwest corner has more restaurants, a convivence store, and at least five African grocery stores, as well as two more Asian grocery stores.

Some of them say the quiet part out loud:





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[Yamamura]

/r/fuckcars users wouldn't be caught dead in this area, not because of the sprawl or the cars, but because of the diversity and class:

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They're really trying to fill the ghetto with more ghost bikes aren't they.

 

[Markass the Worst]

They're really trying to fill the ghetto with more ghost bikes aren't they.

That won't do anything because holding niggers accountable for murder is seen as racist. It would just result in tons of dead bikers.

 

[Chuck McGill]

It’s a white painted bike placed at places where a bicyclist died by cycling activists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_bike

I realize this is ridiculously nitpicky even by the standards of the Farms, but it really gets on my nerves that these people are installing a ghost bike for a gunshot victim. I was under the impression the purpose of a ghost bike was to raise awareness of people killed in bike lanes, not a generalized memorial. If he was shot by a driver that would be one thing, but from what I read of the thread and the article, there's no reason to believe this was anything other than wrong place and wrong time.

But knowing fuckcars, I'm sure they all think that he bravely died defending a little girl biking against a mob of truck-driving Trumpamzees.

 

[Cyberpunk Panatela]

Decided to include this clip from 2003 to add some humour. The thread has become a little dour lately.

Enjoy!

Spoiler: Origins of clip

For anyone interested, this comes from a BBC3 black comedy show called "Monkey Dust" which would definitely be considered unfit for broadcast anywhere in these sensitive times.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

On the subject of Richardson, let's take a look at one of the main roads, Waterview Drive.

30 mph, one lane in each direction, bike lane. Hardly "muh strood". I suppose that there could be some hand-wringing about the parking lane on the inside of the bike lane, but it doesn't seem to be especially popular since everyone already has a driveway and thus street parking becomes less of an issue.


Pointing out the presence of apartment complexes is a good one. Suburban apartment complexes are almost completely ignored by urbanists despite being extremely common (especially in Texas), because it's inconvenient to the narrative they wish to push.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

But knowing fuckcars, I'm sure they all think that he bravely died defending a little girl biking against a mob of truck-driving Trumpamzees.

Even if a nigger murdered a human right in front of them, they'd blame it on human carbrains because obviously their lying eyes are influenced by internalized racism

Decided to include this clip from 2003 to add some humour. The thread has become a little dour lately.

View attachment 5219889

Enjoy!

Spoiler: Origins of clip

For anyone interested, this comes from a BBC3 black comedy show called "Monkey Dust" which would definitely be considered unfit for broadcast anywhere in these sensitive times.

Holy shit the fucking BBC did the NPC meme 20 years ago

 

[WelperHelper99]

Even if a nigger murdered a human right in front of them, they'd blame it on human carbrains because obviously their lying eyes are influenced by internalized racism

When they start talking about the need to be armed in "low income" areas, i might think they're serious. Until then, i can only conclude they either never leave the house or are so indoctrinated as to ignore all the violence

 

[Spob]

What's the general agreed upon "new urbanist" opinion on China, btw

 

[talk talk talk]

What's the general agreed upon "new urbanist" opinion on China, btw

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[quaawaa]

What's the general agreed upon "new urbanist" opinion on China, btw

Beyond the love of China's HSR, urbanists like to complain about Chinese roads being too wide and about their pedestrian infrastructure:

From the comments (archive) on this video:

Essentially, if it isn't a European old town, it's bad.

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A Chinese member is proud of their city's bike lanes:


Is /r/fuckcars applauding this? No! Because gas-bikes are allowed to use bike lanes in China!

Only e-bikes should be allowed to speed down bike lanes!


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They also hate China's roads for being too wide:



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[Spob]

> Essentially if it isn't a European old town, it's bad.

They like "old towns"? I would've guessed otherwise. Think I've seen them promote and exalt new hi-tech dystopias. Like those newer Dutch neighborhoods, or Japan and South Korea. And Singapore (still mostly, despite that one post shown here earlier).

 

[LaxerBRO]

They also hate China's roads for being too wid

Isn't climbing that "the gym of life" or some other B.S.?

Climbing stairs is good for you as it's exercise.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Isn't climbing that "the gym of life" or some other B.S.?

Climbing stairs is good for you as it's exexercise

Yes but bridges over roads dont remove cars so it bad

 

[Chuck McGill]

> Essentially if it isn't a European old town, it's bad. They like "old towns"? I would've guessed otherwise. Think I've seen them promote and exalt new hi-tech dystopias. Like those newer Dutch neighborhoods, or Japan and South Korea. And Singapore (still mostly, despite that one post shown here earlier).

This is perhaps the most obnoxious bait-and-switch they deploy. They use scenic European villas that would be infeasible to actually maintain and live in were it not for American tourists that fetishize every old rotted out building because it's old. But we know damn well they'll never let us have something like that. It'll be the same injection-molded crap they always give us, only now you get a few extra trees and less space to use a car in.

 

[Chuck McGill]

Isn't climbing that "the gym of life" or some other B.S.?

Climbing stairs is good for you as it's exercise.

To be slightly fair to their point of view, these pedestrian bridges need to come with a ramp or an elevator or else they're effectively worthless to anyone in a wheelchair. But this is fuckcars we're talking about, the poster boys for getting an inch and taking a mile. They're probably just angry that these bridges remove their ability to casually saunter into traffic and annoy the carbrains.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

To be slightly fair to their point of view, these pedestrian bridges need to come with a ramp or an elevator or else they're effectively worthless to anyone in a wheelchair. But this is fuckcars we're talking about, the poster boys for getting an inch and taking a mile. They're probably just angry that these bridges remove their ability to casually saunter into traffic and annoy the carbrains.

Due to ADA compliancy, wheelchair ramps have to be very long (and since the original act I believe there's supposed to be landings/handles, not just a continuous grade) and gradual...or just have lots of switchbacks.

We know these European "old towns" aren't exactly wheelchair compliant, so why are they using that as an excuse?

 

[Itchy Hemorrhoids]

We know these European "old towns" aren't exactly wheelchair compliant, so why are they using that as an excuse?

They never want to engage with the "ableist" conversation in my experience. I've never been able to really pull it off irl because anyone who knows me would never believe I actually cared about "ableism." But in a public forum near my town when the bike trannies were trying to get 15% of the width of the road restriped as bike lanes even though only hobbyists rode in those lanes, when the senior citizens complained, the responses were: (1) gaslight them -- this isn't really a problem, you're exaggerating, there's still plenty of parking, it's the bank's fault, it's capitalism's fault, imply that if you don't have a handicap placard you should be able to walk, (2) literally insist there would be less need for handicapped parking if more people walked and rode bikes, (3) just completely change the subject, often times to systematic racism somehow, "how about we worry about the working women of color's needs before we worry about the Cadillac driver's from up the hill" kinda thing.

I can't say I think anyone thought it was persuasive at all, but they have a lot of political bully power right now, I think a lot of the normie funders have decided to do a lot of this housing/transit/urbanism shit in politics. They can use shitty arguments because they usually win no matter what.

I imagine in the case of Europe you'll get accused of bringing up an edge case as if it's irrelevant compared to glorious Amsterdam and Paris (I literally drove on both banks of the Seine in December, I don't know where people get this idea that Paris is hostile to cars and you can't drive by the river anymore, but whatever).

Remember this is about a retirement village for people approximately age 25-35 who were out of adolescence for a year and didn't like it.

 

[Markass the Worst]

They never want to engage with the "ableist" conversation in my experience.

Reminder that when Jason Slaughter was shown a wheelchair user's criticism of Amsterdam, he dismissed it by misunderstanding the entire thread.

Speaking of criticism, Jason Slaughter's holy shrine was criticized by none other than a disabled person in a wheelchair. Urbanists always like to counter the objection that disabled people need to get around with cars with "um, ackshually, cars bad for disabled people, walking and cycling better" but there's a whole ass thread by an actual disabled person complaining about Amsterdam.