Writer's Guild Strike of 2023 - Fuck these people

[RodgerDodger]

part of me honestly believes these people were cultivated to be eminently unlikable, just so when the hammer dropped nobody would bat an eye. The simple truth is if Hollywood breaks this strike the Corpos won't need Humans anymore. From there it's a simple formality to update copyright law to say that machine learning is not a breach of copyright and sum creative totality of humanity can be inputted into a computer for content output.

I'm pretty sure this was already a Star Trek episode. Author,Author. Star Trek Voyager 2001. The Doctor writes a novel, but his publisher steals it because he's not recognized as a person. It wasn't a particularlu outstanding episode at the time beyond seemIng like a well thought follow up to the legendary Measure of a Man. But suddenly it seems prophetic.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/striki...ree-trimming-at-universal-picket-line.168189/

A&N thread about trees being trimmed where strikers are walking. Quite amusing.

I, for one, will support this pure masochism inflicted on these "writers".

 

[ZMOT]

Generation X onwards certainly seems like it's stuck in a kind of cultural cul-de-sac or plateau, where everything is either a sequel, spinoff, or reboot of something that they had seen before. Another video by Retroblasting touched on this phenomenon as well.

the problem is those stories are tied to multi-billion dollar IPs, which means while the stories should end, those IPs can not.

companies always like to re-use IPs because it's a know quantity, establishing a new IP is risky and expensive even if it works out. the main issue now is they can't even come up with good stories anymore, so those IPs have to carry more than usual. that's why you get pure desperation like indy5, which is tied so hard to harrison ford and the specific character, there is no sane way to continue it. something like star wars can work fine without luke skywalker, but not indiana jones without indy. the only way to re-use that IP is decades down the line once the current iteration has left public conscience.

 

[Random Internet Person]

the problem is those stories are tied to multi-billion dollar IPs, which means while the stories should end, those IPs can not.

companies always like to re-use IPs because it's a know quantity, establishing a new IP is risky and expensive even if it works out. the main issue now is they can't even come up with good stories anymore, so those IPs have to carry more than usual. that's why you get pure desperation like indy5, which is tied so hard to harrison ford and the specific character, there is no sane way to continue it. something like star wars can work fine without luke skywalker, but not indiana jones without indy. the only way to re-use that IP is decades down the line once the current iteration has left public conscience.

I think it's safe to say we got here on a count of Hollywood being risk averse. Not sure where or when it started, but Disney Live Action was when it hit critical mass.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

What do you think?

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I agree but not so much because of stuck culture, which is a problem, but because I'm so sick and Goddamned tired of remakes and soft reboots and stories continuing long after they should've stopped and all made by idiots who have no idea what made the original great.

I agree with the other post that some stories should be allowed to end. Nobody in $CURRENT_YEAR wants to see Jaws 571 which is a woke reboot of the original featuring a trans-identifying shark. Also, franchises that try to forcibly impose closure on a story are just as bad because it's fun to let fans speculate what happens to their favorite characters - especially when a series ends in a cliffhanger, intentional or not.

companies always like to re-use IPs because it's a know quantity, establishing a new IP is risky and expensive even if it works out. the main issue now is they can't even come up with good stories anymore, so those IPs have to carry more than usual.

This is true. With the tastes of younger fans being so picky in that nothing seen as "problematic" can be allowed to see the silver screen, Hollywood figures it's better to remake older films to current fans' likings than it is to try something new and from scratch.

While the younger people might find the films problematic for any given reason, older fans might enjoy seeing the so-called classics being aired in rotation while the strike is ongoing. An old theatre near me does periodic (2-3 times a year?) viewings of old shorts that are so popular that tickets sell out if you wait too long to call in and order them. Meanwhile, the younger bunch will bounce and queak that their shows with representation aren't being written, filmed, or produced becuase that's all they can fixate on.
Edited for spelling.

 

[grapeshark77]

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/striki...ree-trimming-at-universal-picket-line.168189/

A&N thread about trees being trimmed where strikers are walking. Quite amusing.

This "tree gate" thing perfectly sums up the writers strike: they're acting like picketing is a big party with special guests. Ultimately it's not supposed to be fun, you're fighting these people. They're not your friends and have no reason to provide you shade.

I remember the 2007-8 picketing slowly dying down once it got cold and the novelty wore off, the same thing will likely happen here. I can see the actors going back to the table before they even deal with the writers again.

None of these streamers are rolling in money (which is why they do all this safe IP-related garbage) and this likely ends with younger writers unemployed. You can't demand bigger royalties when your work isn't actually making money.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

the problem is those stories are tied to multi-billion dollar IPs, which means while the stories should end, those IPs can not.

companies always like to re-use IPs because it's a know quantity, establishing a new IP is risky and expensive even if it works out. the main issue now is they can't even come up with good stories anymore, so those IPs have to carry more than usual. that's why you get pure desperation like indy5, which is tied so hard to harrison ford and the specific character, there is no sane way to continue it. something like star wars can work fine without luke skywalker, but not indiana jones without indy. the only way to re-use that IP is decades down the line once the current iteration has left public conscience.

Imagine that there is tons of easy money to make a movie. Since you're in the USA you can make a movie that bombs and write off everything for a net loss of ZERO dollars. If the movie succeeds you get a big profit.

Now what type of movie do you make? Some new IP with possibly tricky rights laws (ie Hunger Games, Harry Potter), or do you go with some IP you already own and can spinoff/franchise out/ect super easily?

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

This "tree gate" thing perfectly sums up the writers strike: they're acting like picketing is a big party with special guests. Ultimately it's not supposed to be fun, you're fighting these people. They're not your friends and have no reason to provide you shade.

Exactly. It's no secret that when the weather is bad: whether thunder and lightning or 6 inches of snow falling, members are expected to take their assigned turn picketing without complaint as a way to show solidarity without regard to any external factors.

This sounds like little more than complaining just to complain and grandstanding to garner sympathy to the strikers' stance and cause. How many average normies will feel sympathy, though, when they have inflation and other monetary concerns of their own to deal with that the Hollywood folks don't because of - dare I say - their financial privilege?

 

[BikeLock]

Yeah everybody's laughing about the writers whining or the actors falling on their fainting couch but this strike is screwing so many crewmen right now.

I don't care about the crewmen either.
FUCK THE WHOLE INDUSTRY, THEY CAN ALL BE EMPLOYED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

This "tree gate" thing perfectly sums up the writers strike: they're acting like picketing is a big party with special guests. Ultimately it's not supposed to be fun, you're fighting these people. They're not your friends and have no reason to provide you shade.

I remember the 2007-8 picketing slowly dying down once it got cold and the novelty wore off, the same thing will likely happen here. I can see the actors going back to the table before they even deal with the writers again.

None of these streamers are rolling in money (which is why they do all this safe IP-related garbage) and this likely ends with younger writers unemployed. You can't demand bigger royalties when your work isn't actually making money.

Also a reminder that California when it gets cold is around 40 F. Or as anyone who has lived in actual cold weather will tell you, "Put on a sweater, faggot!"

 

[jertzog]

Looking at how the union with the multihundredmillionaire members is already begging for donations from the public, I have to ask whether it's more likely dues have been misappropriated or if they're just so certain this will be a years-long strike that they're trying to garnish the coffers sooner rather than later.
I mean, most unions are supposed to be able to pay picketing members a modest wage. Am I wrong? That's supposedly the main reason they collect dues.

 

[Ghostse]

I don't care about the crewmen either.
FUCK THE WHOLE INDUSTRY, THEY CAN ALL BE EMPLOYED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Counter point: If they're made unemployed and then employed somewhere else, that "somewhere else" might be where you're working. Do you want to have these faggots shitting up your workplace?

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Looking at how the union with the multihundredmillionaire members is already begging for donations from the public, I have to ask whether it's more likely dues have been misappropriated or if they're just so certain this will be a years-long strike that they're trying to garnish the coffers sooner rather than later.
I mean, most unions are supposed to be able to pay picketing members a modest wage. Am I wrong? That's supposedly the main reason they collect dues.

For every "A list" limpwrister who sells one of their mansions and donates 100% of the proceeds, I'll donate $10.

 

[DavidS877]

Counter point: If they're made unemployed and then employed somewhere else, that "somewhere else" might be where you're working. Do you want to have these faggots shitting up your workplace?

Are you implying that Hollywood is really just to concentrate all the retards in one place so they don't leak out into the general populace?

 

[WULULULULU]

I don't care about the crewmen either.
FUCK THE WHOLE INDUSTRY, THEY CAN ALL BE EMPLOYED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Are you implying that Hollywood is really just to concentrate all the retards in one place so they don't leak out into the general populace?

They can be shock troopers in a war meatgrinder. There, not only do you kill retards and undesirables, but those people have purpose for once.

 

[Random Internet Person]

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Looking at how the union with the multihundredmillionaire members is already begging for donations from the public, I have to ask whether it's more likely dues have been misappropriated or if they're just so certain this will be a years-long strike that they're trying to garnish the coffers sooner rather than later.
I mean, most unions are supposed to be able to pay picketing members a modest wage. Am I wrong? That's supposedly the main reason they collect dues.

I think this is to support all those waiters and bartenders waiting for their big break.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I'm pretty sure this was already a Star Trek episode. Author,Author. Star Trek Voyager 2001. The Doctor writes a novel, but his publisher steals it because he's not recognized as a person. It wasn't a particularlu outstanding episode at the time beyond seemIng like a well thought follow up to the legendary Measure of a Man. But suddenly it seems prophetic.

What's more worrying to me is how courts actually are ruling on AI, like some court recently said you can't copyright a work produced by AI because all you did was enter in some prompts. This could have dire implications for how people creatively use AI. Theoretically it would be possible for me to write an entire book with ChatGPT doing most of the heavy lifting, but then because it was ChatGPT, I either don't own or have to share all profits of my book with some corporation because it was their AI who helped me.

They are coming down HARD on AI and that's going to stifle a lot of innovation and be used to make big corporations stronger. You better believe whatever proprietary AI model Disney is going to be using to write their shitty movies and TV shows will be exempt from this because reasons.

They can be shock troopers in a war meatgrinder. There, not only do you kill retards and undesirables, but those people have purpose for once.

I hear Ukraine is needing recruits these days. Since Zelensky is like Harry Potter combined with Luke Skywalker, certainly these Hollywood types should relish the chance to be part of the Rebel Alliance of Ukrainewarts and help take down Darth Putinmort.

 

[mindlessobserver]

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Looking at how the union with the multihundredmillionaire members is already begging for donations from the public, I have to ask whether it's more likely dues have been misappropriated or if they're just so certain this will be a years-long strike that they're trying to garnish the coffers sooner rather than later.
I mean, most unions are supposed to be able to pay picketing members a modest wage. Am I wrong? That's supposedly the main reason they collect dues.

Who knows. It could be the dawning realization on the Union Bosses that it only takes one side to start a war but two sides to end it.

The problem is The rest of America hates their fucking guts. Including unions that would have otherwise been supportive like the Teamsters, United Mine Workers and so on. Alot of SAG members told the miners to "learn to code". Never forget.

There needs to be some serious kow tow to blue collar America if SAG expects to get any support here. Because their liberal "comrades" are so far down big corpo's and governments dick, the AFTRA part of SAG-AFTRA is exempt from the strike. SAG DOES have friends out there just not at the cocktail lounges and power meetings they are used to attending.

It's amusing to see this dawning realization among the actors and their union bosses that the Chuds were right all along.

 

[namvata]

The residents of LA need to raise an army of crackheads from skid row and send them marching to the WGA strike with chains and baseball bats in hand. Use them as pinkertons to break up the strike with overwhelming lethal force, then whoever survives will be imprisoned in a dungeon where they will only have sewer water to drink and rats to eat while their former jobs are replaced with AI.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

The residents of LA need to raise an army of crackheads from skid row and send them marching to the WGA strike with chains and baseball bats in hand. Use them as pinkertons to break up the strike with overwhelming lethal force, then whoever survives will be imprisoned in a dungeon where they will only have sewer water to drink and rats to eat while their former jobs are replaced with AI.

Hell, Hollywood can just hire Pinkertons to beat the hell out of the writers. They already know how to steal MTG cards.

 

[macrodegenerate]

I have to bang the drum again that the issue of AI as a means of "preserving" a writer or actors existence in perpetuity beyond even death itself is a hill worth on dying on. The studios cannot be allowed to create a digital Tom Cruise for Mission Impossible 20, decades from now.

this is quite literally "first they came for". Nobody here likes these cunts and probably won't bat an eye if they all die. But a precedent is about to be set here that will have massive ramifications for human society going foreword.

I don't think SAG and the Writers are even aware of just what kind of a fight they just picked here. It's all about the residuals and the rights to them. But to the corporations it's all about their ability to replace humanity itself.

I believe that capitalism in it's pursuit of profits has invented trading bots which will encourage the most efficient companies by investment. It only takes one to notice that workers are the easiest to reduce expenditure and starts incentivizing investment based on employee count. This starts a runaway cycle of valuation that the company can borrow against and eventually corner the market. Its strategy to do so also created by an AI that sees workers as inefficient to its loss function of valuation and employee count.

Everything will start to look the same because the product made by the AI last year was successful, so why would the AI running the company reinvent the wheel and mess with your loss function.

People will starve, but it doesn't matter because the money isn't real to begin with.