Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

I personally think it's just bluster for now but I think what they've been able to accomplish so far with sea-drones is really interesting. I heard that what blew up the Kersch bridge this last time was basically a JetSki or Sea-Doo with its handlebars replaced with a control mechanism and packed with explosives, and that's really clever and relatively inexpensive. It's also small enough to build that I wonder if they solved the range issues by just having some infiltrated soldiers or even brave partisan civilian "fishermen" build and launch them from the occupied territories - maybe the one that blew up Kersch was even launched from Crimea itself. Get some more of those to menace or even damage Russian-flagged ships and their threats may be blunted a little.

For better or worse, with all these militarized drones going up against traditional land and sea vehicles, we might be seeing the future of insurgent warfare in the 21st century.

Yes, for the attack on the Kerch bridge, the Russian telegrams have been speculating on how they could have used a couple of tankers to deliver the sea drones. Given how far of a trek it is to get to the bridge from Ukie-controlled land, it does make some sense. It would be pretty easy to hide a couple of these things on a tanker.
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I'd be very interested in the stuff they could come up with if naval combat becomes a bigger part of this war, a lot of this is really just the brand new reality of war. And when it comes to ships, you could sacrifice a LOT of drones to sink something and it would still be extremely cost-effective. We've seen Russian sailors struggle to shoot down a handful of drones, what if it's 10 times that.
 
Yes, for the attack on the Kerch bridge, the Russian telegrams have been speculating on how they could have used a couple of tankers to deliver the sea drones. Given how far of a trek it is to get to the bridge from Ukie-controlled land, it does make some sense. It would be pretty easy to hide a couple of these things on a tanker.

Well, I would hope they weren't using civilian ships to carry and launch these things, since that would invite more paranoia against civvie ships from the Russians and it'd be justified this time…
 
Edit: Girkin has an interesting idea:

I think Russia's prohibition on mercenary work would technically make that illegal. I mean that hasn't stopped Wagner or a bunchof other 'security firms' but there's a difference between looking the other way on a security firm and issuing letters of marque.

But seriously, bring back privateering on the Black Sea.

Yes, for the attack on the Kerch bridge, the Russian telegrams have been speculating on how they could have used a couple of tankers to deliver the sea drones.

Ukrainian drone boats are showing up in places they have no rights showing up at.
I've heard everything from Ukraine has an off-the-books Kilo they are using for a mother ship (which is what the late 2022 naval maneuvers were all about), to USV's being dropped by low-flying cargo plane, to Turkey/Romania/Bulgaria is deploying them for Ukraine, to yes that Ukraine has a militarized cargo ship cammoed as a civie.

I wouldn't believe that and think its MilBlogger cope. In addition to being highly frowned upon and the can of worms that comes if its found out, there just isn't enough shipping traffic to blend in for months at at time. I'd be more likely to believe they have (or acquired) a rogue Kilo.
 
I'd be very interested in the stuff they could come up with if naval combat becomes a bigger part of this war, a lot of this is really just the brand new reality of war. And when it comes to ships, you could sacrifice a LOT of drones to sink something and it would still be extremely cost-effective.
There’s a lot of potential for low cost drones of all kinds that just didn’t exist even 10 years ago. You could take a propane tank full of HE and turn it into a mini-sub torpedo thing using off the shelf hobby gear.
It’s be slow as hell but all it has to do is trundle out to a shipping lane and intercept something. A smart sea mine.
 
Russians aim send russian grain to those nations It's a long trip from russian ports and NATO airspace.

Russia aims to destabilize Africa and rile up Muslim countries against the allied forces.

Ukraine could just sell grain to Poland and Turkey and send that grain by proxy
Ukraine have already been sending grain by train. But the tonnage difference even a midsize freighter and train is exponential. As ship carried literal fukton more tonnage and travel faster is why it is so imperative to keep the Black Sea shipping lanes open.
 
I heard that what blew up the Kersch bridge this last time was basically a JetSki or Sea-Doo with its handlebars replaced with a control mechanism and packed with explosives, and that's really clever and relatively inexpensive. It's also small enough to build that I wonder if they solved the range issues by just having some infiltrated soldiers or even brave partisan civilian "fishermen" build and launch them from the occupied territories - maybe the one that blew up Kersch was even launched from Crimea itself.
I've seen much the same; although lately there's been some rumblings repeated on both sides, about a larger Sea-Doo drone variant, with longer range & different capabilities. Tha, or they've somehow significantly upgraded the original.
But seriously, bring back privateering on the Black Sea.
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Ukrainian drone boats are showing up in places they have no rights showing up at.
I've heard everything from Ukraine has an off-the-books Kilo they are using for a mother ship (which is what the late 2022 naval maneuvers were all about), to USV's being dropped by low-flying cargo plane, to Turkey/Romania/Bulgaria is deploying them for Ukraine, to yes that Ukraine has a militarized cargo ship cammoed as a civie.
The Ukrainian navy has been very busy building up & training their green & brown-water assets, but have also been a lot more guarded about drone developments & capabilities than their marine & storm-unit brothers inland.

Even though their opsec is very tight, the other "trust me bro" is they've launched those drones far offshore, from some of those shiny new patrol boats & fast-attack craft so recently put into service. Which would make sense, given that the larger ones can't be used on the Dnipo as was intended. Those boats certainly aren't just being used for shoreline drive-bys & ferry duties.

Also, Russia has also shrunk back into their harbors & coastlines, under the cover of their shore & airborne radars; and when their own middle/patrol boats are berthed, their radars generally aren't turned on. At most they'll have CIWS & other short-range systems active (if functional). So with the resulting gaps in coverage, their radars also seem to have serious problems detecting threats like small, slow drones on the surface (or just above).

Recent examples of this were the seadoo drones headed towards Sevastopol just days before the Kerch strike (which were supposedly not spotted until seen visually by a helicopter inbound), and another was reported by a Russian fisherman (fishing where he technically shouldn't have been). Also of note were the interviews regarding a "shift" in their training with USN & other navies, along with active offshore patrols, rather than on the rivers. They've also taken a page from Iran, by stowing manpads on their fast boats, which would actually be pretty useful if done in numbers.

It's also interesting that it seems the Russians haven't been able to completely jam or interfere with the guidance on Ukrainian sea-drones. Things that make me go, hmmm.

But in any case, I should think it really wouldn't be that big of a deal to haul/roll one of those skidoo drones onto a large, twin-engine zodiac (etc) & drop it on the move, a lot closer to places like Kerch & Sevastopol; or possibly even dropping them from something like an Mi-8, if large enough gaps in Russian surveillance systems are identified (or created).
 
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The use of Dual-Purpose Improved Conventional Munitions (DPICMs) appeared to have been used by Ukraine against Russian infantry at the end of this video released today. Location is apparently near Krasnohorivka, Donetsk Oblast:

I wonder if it's the new American ones, or the previously used Turkish ones.
 
Cluster munitions are designed to clear trenches, Russian trenches are simple and easy targets, they didn't take notes from Vietnam that's for sure
Radio traffic from a Russian unit being plastered by their own artillery & armor.
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Average day for Ziggies. No wonder why Z posters are terminally angry.
 
But in any case, I should think it really wouldn't be that big of a deal to haul/roll one of those skidoo drones onto a large, twin-engine zodiac (etc) & drop it on the move, a lot closer to places like Kerch & Sevastopol; or possibly even dropping them from something like an Mi-8, if large enough gaps in Russian surveillance systems are identified (or created).

Problem with that is that you have events like the intelligence ship getting BFTO near the goddamn Bosporus, and there is no way you could slip out, drop drones, and make it back before morning and have said drones be in range of where Ivan got hit. Hell, getting something around Crimea overnight to hit Russian's rear base is probably doing.

The US has live 4K video of every inch of the Black Sea 24/7, but Russia also has spy sats & airborne recon.

Ukraine has to have some sort of Drone Mothership that is able to avoid detection. Ukraine is just maintaining some serious OPSEC on what exactly it is.

The fun theory is there is was some half-built Kilo-class that Ukraine completed & secretly commissioned since 2014. And it is getting serviced in some soviet sub pen that's supposed be be near Odessa, that was meant to service the Boomer-Now-Guide-Missile-Sub the USSR had in the Black Sea.
 
Along with drones in general, this is an aspect of the war that has fascinated me, but so far has gotten little attention; drone-vs-drone combat.
The Armourer's Bench article (w/ lots of video):
... some of the earliest instances of these drone dogfights were reported in October 2022, with an initial video featuring a pair of DJI Mavic quadcopters, with the Ukrainian drone destroying the Russian drone by breaking its rotors. Another video posted on 18 October, reportedly shows a Ukrainian drone dive down onto a Russian quadcopter damaging it. Several more similar videos were shared in November. One shared around 14 November again shows a drone attacking from above. Towards the end of the month, on 25 November, a DJI Mavic clearly marked with a ‘Z’ was rammed from above by a Ukrainian drone.

In early December, a different technique was demonstrated with a drone from the separatist 1st Donetsk Army Corps dropping a weighted net onto a Ukrainian drone below it. This has the benefit of not having to use a valuable asset to ram, and potentially lose while attempting to attack an enemy drone. It also has the advantage that it presumably uses the same munition release mechanism used to drop munitions on ground targets. The drawback to net dropping, however, is the increased chances of missing the target and a limit to how many attempts the operator has to attack a target. In mid-December another video was shared, this time by Ukraine’s 54th Mechanised Brigade, showing the ramming of another drone....
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And in other news, this is probably the first visual of results from a DPICM strike, near Krasnohorivka.
 
Cluster munitions are designed to clear trenches,
You're thinking Thermobarics.
Clusters are best against hordes of enemies attacking across open or "soft" ground (forests or buildings with light construction), being in a duggout during a cluster strike is a much better spot than trying to cross an open field.
They are also good against battery-type targets, such as SAMs with multiple units per system (i.e. 3 launch vehicles, a radar and a command vehicle) or enemy artillery where a near-miss with a shotgun-like cluster munition is basically a hit - especially 'smarter' ones that can seek out an enemy vehicle.
 
Pirates of the Crimean

Girkin is a retard
Of course he is. Because letters of Mark are expressly banned by Article 101 of the UNCLOS. So banned in fact all signatory nations are permitted to act with national legal jurisdiction on the high seas and bring the responsible parties back to their shores for trial.

The USA has actually done this with Somali Pirates captured in the Indian Ocean on the high seas in international waters tens of thousands of miles away from the nearest US port. They hauled their asses thousands of miles across an entire continent and two oceans to New York City where they received decades long imprisonment at Uncle Sugars Ranch for piracy. Defense council naturally raised jurisdiction questions and the judge just pointed at UNCLOS and told them to eat shit and die. In prison.


What gets spicy is if flagged warships start engaging in piracy. By the letter of UNCLOS this is also banned and Russian warships engaged in the practice can be attacked and their crews seized. Of course, Russia CAN avoid the letter of the piracy codes in most UN countries, provided a formal state of war exists between between the Republic of Ukrain and the Russian Federation.

To date however, no war declaration has been made, which means under the strict reading of UNCLOS even efforts by flagged Russian warships to interdiction international shipping in the black sea meets the definition of piracy.
 
By the letter of UNCLOS this is also banned and Russian warships engaged in the practice can be attacked and their crews seized.

> Russia ship interferes with grain shipment
> stopped by Romanian navy, ship seized and crew arrested
> tfw they have to share a cell with Andrew Tate.
 
> Russia ship interferes with grain shipment
> stopped by Romanian navy, ship seized and crew arrested
> tfw they have to share a cell with Andrew Tate.
Which is more likely then you think. I have no fucking idea what Putin is trying to pull here with his threats on high seas shipping. Especially since he does not have a leg to stand on if one of his ships fucks around and find out. The amount of firepower NATO has aimed into the black sea could destroy the Sevastople squadron in a day.

It could even be done completely off the reservation without US involvement. Erdogan could just stub his toe getting out of bed tomorrow and in a fit of rage order the Russian Black Sea Squadron sunk and it would be done before his toe stopped hurting and he thought better about it.

we may be on the cusp of seeing the greatest irony of this entire fucking war play out. Russia has sent an entire generation of young people it cannot afford to the slaughter for a naval base in Crimea that is functionally useless if the country that controls the only access point to the world ocean tells Putin to fuck off. Sevastopol is only as useful as the Turks allow it to be and the fucking Manlet of Moscow has GIVEN Ankara some really good reason to turn Sevastopol from a world ocean port into a lakeside marina.
 
Which is more likely then you think. I have no fucking idea what Putin is trying to pull here with his threats on high seas shipping. Especially since he does not have a leg to stand on if one of his ships fucks around and find out.

The usual. He's doing nigger thinking where he ooks, screaches and beats his chest and throws his poop, and because the other side doesn't throw poop back, he calls it a success.

He just goes chimp wild until an adult comes in with some candy he can have if he calms down.
 
Along with drones in general, this is an aspect of the war that has fascinated me, but so far has gotten little attention; drone-vs-drone combat.
The Armourer's Bench article (w/ lots of video):

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And in other news, this is probably the first visual of results from a DPICM strike, near Krasnohorivka.
From drones to munitions and breaking Russian infantry Ukraine has a good momentum going here.
 
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