Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Most Glenn Greenwald aligned lefties and progressives also think like this, it's not a right-left thing, it's a "we hate the security state, the US, the CIA, everything" issue, and an implicit embrace of any entity opposing it.
Which is a bit like deciding to support a serial rapist because you are angry at your local police department because of overreach and brutality, and treating every sobbing and bleeding woman as a "win" because of how the cops were unable to stop it, even if this exact shit 1000% vindicates cop overreach and brutality in the eyes of the public and gives the cops carte blanche to do whatever the fuck they like going forwards because said rapist refuses to strike where the cops have a high presence.

Somebody who torches their supposed ideals and morals and embraces shit worse than what they have been decrying as the ultimate evil, solely because they are too fucking autistic to accept those on their personal shit-list getting a "win" by opposing said shit, should never be taken seriously again
 
Which is a bit like deciding to support a serial rapist because you are angry at your local police department because of overreach and brutality
It goes deep, today during my run I listened to Lex Fridman's podcast with RFK Jr.
It has timestamps.
Lex is supposed to be this kind, empathetic, heterodox progressive smart Jew, that could not even tolerate Destiny saying nigger like a gorrillion years ago during some heated gamer moments without going ham on Steven's ass for 2 hours.
Meanwhile, he literally allows RFK to lie, lie, lie (Ukraine lost all its men, Russia stronk, Russia love motherland, counteroffensive ded, Prigozhin dindu nuffin, NO, he actually made Putin stronger, Nazis pressuring Zelensky) for what seemed to be the whole 70 mins of my run. Only once he very timidly pushed back "I went to Ukraine and people there also were unified in fighting this war to the end" - RFK: "yes that makes it even more tragic".
This shit is omnipresent. By now I know all their talking points. It's identical from Soloviev to Judge Napolitano and Scott Ritter to Gonzalo Lira to Glen Greenwald to Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate to Col. Macgregor to Tucker and Tim Pool.
Nobody can accuse me of liking or promoting shitlibs or neocons, but JFC they're right to worry that the "open society" that US represents is getting a fucking anal raping from Russia who gets to promote its propaganda with impunity, and the only people visibly opposing it are boring, obnoxious, MSM shitlib scum that everyone hates, and yet the US can't figure out a way to fix this obvious image problem.
 
This shit is omnipresent. By now I know all their talking points. It's identical from Soloviev to Judge Napolitano and Scott Ritter to Gonzalo Lira to Glen Greenwald to Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate to Col. Macgregor to Tucker and Tim Pool.
I can explain all these specimens with a quote from Little Nicky Milton. Its better to Reign in Hell than to Serve in Heaven.

All of these specimens have torched their chances of a career in anything mainstream or halfway respectable to elites and normies alike, either unfairly (pissing off the wrong media goons, spilling secrets institutions didnt want spilled, opposing establishment narratives and refusing to back down etc) or extremely fucking fairly (being unreliable, incompetent, uncharismatic, unstable, dishonest even by media standards, or a literal fucking child predator) and have decided that instead of going it alone, sticking to their guns, or having the slightest fucking integrity, they would sign up for an even worse sphere of media goons in egregiously scummier institutions and following infinitely more despicable establishment narratives and carve out lofty positions in this sphere they could never reach elsewhere, and facing zero competition due to how surrounded they are by unreliable, incompetent, uncharismatic, and unstable nobodies.

Anything resembling principle has long since been replaced by the need to stay in line with the narratives they get paid to repeat since if they step out of line they can and will be casually cast out with absolutely fucking nothing waiting for them on the outside beyond a life of anonymous drudgery away from any limelight.

Nobody can accuse me of liking or promoting shitlibs or neocons, but JFC they're right to worry that the "open society" that US represents is getting a fucking anal raping from Russia who gets to promote its propaganda with impunity, and the only people visibly opposing it are boring, obnoxious, MSM shitlib scum that everyone hates, and yet the US can't figure out a way to fix this obvious image problem.
Honestly I appreciate getting a clear picture of non establishment/anti establishment voices who can be immediately written off as worthless scumfucks who will change on a dime or autistic contrarians, as I already have already catalogued vast swaths of establishment/wannabe establishment voices as such.

If somebody claims to be a serious and hardcore believer in certain ideals and principles, and then abandons them at the drop of a hat for money or power or prestige or clout or relevancy or attention, I know with 100% certainty I can ignore their input going forwards.
 
Chemical weapons allegedly used by Russia;


Causes burning eyes & difficulty breathing; my informed guess is Russians used some CS (or whatever) shells "by accident", probably because their normal stocks have been depleted, the only bodies they can get to work in ammo-dumps now are illiterate conscripts, and/or desperation.

This isn't the first time both sides have accused the other of dropping CS (or equivalent) on stubborn positions.
 
Nobody can accuse me of liking or promoting shitlibs or neocons, but JFC they're right to worry that the "open society" that US represents is getting a fucking anal raping from Russia who gets to promote its propaganda with impunity, and the only people visibly opposing it are boring, obnoxious, MSM shitlib scum that everyone hates, and yet the US can't figure out a way to fix this obvious image problem.
There seem to be three or four main groups in the US that have sprung up in support of Russia:
- Literal shills who receive money from Russian interests (Shills)
- Contrarian "Republican" political interests (disingenuous Sociopath Grifters)
- Disaffected anti-globohomo contrarians (4chan/OWS Pseudofascist Retards)
- Boomer non-establishment rightwing (angry, Easily Manipulated Elderly that go in whatever direction you point them)

If you put these groups in a Venn diagram there would likely be overlap but in some more than others. For example, Shills and Sociopath Grifters have significant overlap but they don't want anything to to do with Pseudofascist Retards other than taking their money and support. Easily Manipulated Elderly and Pseudofascist Retards likely interact online and in things like the Jan 6th event.

Pseudofascist Retards and Easily Manipulated Elderly saw the last two years of niggerloving, city burning, COVID hysteria championed by some specific interests and when those interests immediately went into Russia-hating mode they immediately flipped to the other side. They weren't sure why until the Literal Shills and Sociopathic Grifters outlined the talking points, and then they grabbed and hung onto them for dear life.

1. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet
2. NATO expansion was provocative and a direct threat to Russia
3. Ukraine was abusing its Russian minority population
4. Ukraine requires Western support and therefore should surrender
5. Ukraine failing to surrender is the only reason for continued suffering in Ukraine
6. NATO/globohomo is supporting a "forever war"
7. "Look at these other wars that NATO didn't win!" (They almost always include Iraq and Korea in this which is pretty funny)
8. Something about money. If it's the Pseudofascist Retards, it'll be about the Jews. If it's the Easily Manipulated Elderly, it's about the Bidens.

Probably missing some here but they were quickly and uniformly disseminated.

The reason you hear them so consistently repeated is because these people are either complete Retards or Easily Manipulated Elderly who need to be told what to think, or they're disingenuous, opportunistic Socipathic Grifters for whom it's easier to recite these easy-to-remember points, or they're Literal Shills.

It's unfortunate but this is where the "right wing" is in the US.
 
I have to give Putin one thing, he managed to expand NATO, No-one batted about his though guy during Chechenya occupation, Georgia, Crimea and many others that happened during election seasons to distract dumb Russian public who are politically illiterate and 80 IQ vatnik underclass don't care, most of whom avoid ongoing conscription
He didn't just expand NATO, he revived the fucking enterprise. Eurocucks actually buying weapons for their armies instead of sending the money to importing violent arabs, bringing in new members and reminding old members that weren't holding to their agreements why you need standing forces.
Putin could die in bed of natural causes and if a new star to appeared on the CIA's wall it wouldn't shock me.

I don't believe he ever tried to overthrow Putin, it's anything but that. He would've acted differently and wouldn't have stopped as he did if that was the case. Unless he's just that retarded, which I have no reason to believe.
It wasn't a coup but a mutiny, people who thinks it's a coup are coping. As much as I would've wanted that to be true (because it would be way funnier).
Historically "Retardation" really covers a lot of actions by both establishment and revolutionary forces during these sorts of things, so I wouldn't rule it out.

I think for sure the initial plan, and the one pitched to backers, was a mutiny because removing Shoigu & Gerasimov was a common point most of the military top brass would support (or at least not vehemently oppose) given how they have bungled the war thus far. Basically you find common cause with your malcontents (change at the MoD) and foot-in-the-door that in the chaos into maybe some form of coup - once everyone's signed off, they are more likely to keep going.
You had Borscht & Guts waiting in the wings to take over for Gerasimov and possibly himself ready to take over defense chief.

The outcome I personally believe that Chef was hoping on put him at the top ... I don't think he wanted to arrest Putin or hang him from a lamp post, or even have him step down that weekend. I firmly believe though he wanted to sit down across from Putin in a closed room and then dictate to him a 5-year plan about handing over power while Putin gets exiled to his dacha.

I also believe that Chef's hand was forced and he had to act early, before he had everyone on fully on board he wanted on board. You have Borscht and Gutski giving messages of support for Putin and telling Chef to turn around - he was very clearly supposed to be part of it and i believe was quick on the ball distancing himself because he was Chef's sensei in this. Which says to me Chef didn't have all his ducks but felt it was now or never.

It’s weird how that’s talked about. I’ve heard claims that this is going to take out Putin and lead to Russia being a state that’s more beholden to Western interests, and the other side says the not coup was Putin outsmarting the west in their attempts to remove him, the Wagner group is aligned with the CIA in order to remove Putin so America has another dependent on a leash, and now Putin has squashed the regime change plan and has gotten a stronger military now that Wagner is with the MoD.
Anyone saying the coup Mutiny was a Putin 8D masterplan is high on extreme lab-grade cope. Anyone who says Putin is 'weak' now is either high on about the same purity cope or only speaking in relative terms; 'Schwarzenegger is the weakest he's ever been'.

And all russia is getting is, at most, a couple thousand second stringers. All the SF guys are going to chill in Belarus or melt back into the weeds and pop up in some other outfit.
 
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There seem to be three or four main groups in the US that have sprung up in support of Russia:
- Literal shills who receive money from Russian interests (Shills)
- Contrarian "Republican" political interests (disingenuous Sociopath Grifters)
- Disaffected anti-globohomo contrarians (4chan/OWS Pseudofascist Retards)
- Boomer non-establishment rightwing (angry, Easily Manipulated Elderly that go in whatever direction you point them)
Where would you put the liberal groups? There are the peacenik, anti-war types, such as Roger Waters. Glenn Greenwald, Tulsi Gabbard, and the like are loosely in this category. They're a direct line from old school leftists who said every problem in the world is America's fault. For example, the Middle East would enjoy perfect peace but for our meddling. This time it's the US's fault that Russia invaded because we "provoked" them by telling Ukrainians they had a right to exist. They don't oppose globohomo or even care about it. The USA is the Great Satan and always in the wrong. Greenwald is an anti-woke liberal, someone who'd be considered left-wing in the 90s and might be smeared as far right today.

These groups copy each other's talking points. Both Tucker and Greenwald say this forever war is being waged by the US/NATO. All we have to do is stop the war and leave Russia alone and we'll enjoy peace.

More extreme are the tankies who see in the Russian Federation shadows of the great Soviet Union which was tragically taken from us before its time but might rise like a phoenix from the ashes if it can score a victory.
 
I also believe that Chef's hand was forced and he had to act early, before he had everyone on fully on board he wanted on board. You have Borscht and Gutski giving messages of support for Putin and telling Chef to turn around - he was very clearly supposed to be part of it and i believe was quick on the ball distancing himself because he was Chef's sensei in this. Which says to me Chef didn't have all his ducks but felt it was now or never.
I forgot to say, it seems that at least Putin believed that there was a threat to him in this, based on his reaction and response. He also avoided mentioning Prigozhin by name, as he does with anyone who might threaten him, take Navalny for example, the only real political opponent he's had throughout his presidency.
Which tells us that it wasn't planned by him as some 5D chess move, at the very least, but we already know that because it's an absurd proposition to begin with.
It's unfortunate but this is where the "right wing" is in the US.
It's incredible that these people are willing to consign an entire nation to these hostilities and outright fascism in order to stick it to powers that be.
Which is something I never understood either, it makes no goddamn sense. How would Ukrainian defeat humiliate USA, exactly? And if it did, what would that change for them at home? What's even the thought process here?
Globohomo elites aren't going to suffer regardless of the outcome, and the only party thoroughly humiliated in this is unfortunately Russia (unfortunately because it's my home), but deservedly so (because nigger behavior and consequences).
At least I can somewhat understand shills, people lying for money is not a new concept to me. I'm puzzled by the ideologically possessed.
 
I'm sorry but is this your shtick to talk about Slavs this way? Or do you genuinely despise us? I enjoy your posting but I can't filter this shit out for the life of me, cause it's annoying as fuck.
I could be wrong but I think he's referring to the stereotype of Slavic people as being less risk averse and less precise in their operation and maintenance of fighter aircraft.

In fairness many other countries/demographics struggle with proper maintenance and operation of American fighter aircraft. See: Germany and Canada's history with the controversial F-104.
 
I'm sorry but is this your shtick to talk about Slavs this way? Or do you genuinely despise us? I enjoy your posting but I can't filter this shit out for the life of me, cause it's annoying as fuck.
Non-black North Americans generally don't have any inferiority complexes (we're pretty great imho) and so have a bit of a blindspot when it comes to perceiving them among other ethnicities/nationalities. It's also culturally common among Americans (and Anglos in general) to rip each other along ethnic/racial lines as a means of integrating and befriending an outgroup. Ukrainians understandably have a bit of an inferiority complex from being a subject people for so long, but nobody actually thinks Slavs are dumber than the average white American on a genetic level. It's just friendly banter that doesn't translate well. You call Americans fat retard half-breed burgers, Americans call you dumb borscht-blooded fags. Everyone kisses.
 
Which is something I never understood either, it makes no goddamn sense. How would Ukrainian defeat humiliate USA, exactly? And if it did, what would that change for them at home? What's even the thought process here?
US humiliation would be because probably like Afghanistan, America put all this effort in supporting their type of people and government, and got their ass handed to them. Along with the regime going down, it’d be seen as the harshest form of rejecting and destroying the American ideology as it applies to that specific place.

What would change at home? What I’ve seen is that it’d expose and lay bare a shitload of corruption at the highest levels of government, including the Biden family. We’re talking allegations like money laundering, CIA/US involvement in the Maidan crisis in 2014, color revolutions in general being the work of the US behind closed doors, and all the shit with Burisma that got Trump impeached. The thought is that if Russia wins the war and removes Zelenskyy the shitty actor and cokehead, all of America’s dirty laundry can’t be ignored, and the removals will see the end of the Deep State that controls the world at large to move to the beat of America’s drum.

And maybe some shit about Soros and Israel, that too.
 
It has occurred to me that for all my baiting of the likes of Pepe Escobar, perhaps I am picking on some schizo fringe of the russia shill sphere, so I decided to now look over the latest masterpiece from the endlessly hyped fount of all truth seymour hersh.

The Biden administration had a glorious few days last weekend. The ongoing disaster in Ukraine slipped from the headlines to be replaced by the “revolt,” as a New York Times headline put it, of Yevgeny Prigozhin, chief of the mercenary Wagner Group.
Ya know at this point you woulda thought the russia shill contingent would have got the message from putin's public statement that this shit was a revolt

The focus slipped from Ukraine’s failing counter-offensive to Prigozhin’s threat to Putin’s control. As one headline in the Times put it, “Revolt Raises Searing Question: Could Putin Lose Power?Washington Post columnist David Ignatius posed this assessment: “Putin looked into the abyss Saturday—and blinked.”
Once again the repetition of the old "russia making fuck all progress in a year and steadily getting pushed pack the last couple of weeks is a glorious epoch making victory, but Ukraine steadily advancing in a few weeks is a pathetic failure" narrative along with the new "russia failing to collapse into civil war last week is a mighty victory for russia" party line

Secretary of State Antony Blinken—the administration’s go-to wartime flack, who weeks ago spoke proudly of his commitment not to seek a ceasefire in Ukraine—appeared on CBS’s Face the Nation with his own version of reality: “Sixteen months ago, Russian forces were . . . thinking they would erase Ukraine from the map as an independent country,” Blinken said. “Now, over the weekend they’ve had to defend Moscow, Russia’s capital, against mercenaries of Putin’s own making. . . . It was a direct challenge to Putin’s authority. . . . It shows real cracks.”
And here we can see the endemic seething over meany old Burgerland not capitulating on Ukraine's behalf and instead making the fairly self explanatory decision to support an ally at the expense of an enemy.

Blinken, unchallenged by his interviewer, Margaret Brennan, as he knew he would not be—why else would he appear on the show?—went on to suggest that the defection of the crazed Wagner leader would be a boon for Ukraine’s forces, whose slaughter by Russian troops was ongoing as he spoke.
Apparently this mass slaughter of weak and homofied Ukroid soldiers has been going on for over a year now to the tune of gorillions as evidenced by wishful thinking and grainy recycled clips that have largely been floating around for a year or so now.

“To the extent that it presents a real distraction for Putin, and for Russian authorities, that they have to look at—sort of mind their rear as they’re trying to deal with the counter offensive in Ukraine, I think that creates even greater openings for the Ukrainians to do well on the ground.” At this point was Blinken speaking for Joe Biden? Are we to understand that this is what the man in charge believes?
Oh the horror. The US president might actually want the US's most insufferable geopolitical annoyance to lose.

We now know that the chronically unstable Prigozhin’s revolt fizzled out within a day, as he fled to Belarus, with a no-prosecution guarantee, and his mercenary army was mingled into the Russian army. There was no march on Moscow, nor was there a significant threat to Putin’s rule. Pity the Washington columnists and national security correspondents who seem to rely heavily on official backgrounders with White House and State Department officials.
Yet again, russia only having a "little" armed mutiny which went unopposed by the public is treated as a strategic russian victory

Given the published results of such briefings, those officials seem unable to look at the reality of the past few weeks, or the total disaster that has befallen the Ukraine military’s counter-offensive.
And yet again, Ukraine not blitzkrieging to Moscow within a week of a counteroffensive beginning is proof its super-duper lost the war for realsies this time

So, below is a look at what is really going that was provided to me by a knowledgeable source in the American intelligence community:
Wonder if its the same one that told you that bush was going to invade Iran a few dozen times during the 00s.

“I thought I might clear some of the smoke. First and most importantly, Putin is now in a much stronger position.
Letting armed mutiny break out beneath you is a traditional sign of strength and masculinity

We realized as early as January of 2023 that a showdown between the generals, backed by Putin, and Prigo, backed by ultra-nationalist extremists, was inevitable. The age-old conflict between the ‘special’ war fighters and a large, slow, clumsy, unimaginative regular army.
Pretty fucking sure we didnt see this "age-old" conflict break out in uh.....like literally any fucking war the US and friends have waged in the last century

The army always wins because they own the peripheral assets that make victory, either offensive or defensive, possible. Most importantly, they control logistics. special forces see themselves as the premier offensive asset. When the overall strategy is offensive, big army tolerates their hubris and public chest thumping because SF are willing to take high risk and pay a high price. Successful offense requires a large expenditure of men and equipment. Successful defense, on the other hand, requires husbanding these assets.
Wait why is russia on the defencive now? I thought it was #winning and all the Ukrainians were dead (again)

“Wagner members were the spearhead of the original Russian Ukraine offensive. They were the ‘little green men’. When the offensive grew into an all-out attack by the regular army, Wagner continued to assist but reluctantly had to take a back seat in the period of instability and readjustment that followed. Prigo, no shy violet, took the initiative to grow his forces and stabilize his sector.
Out of interest what successes did the regular russian army win during its autumn/winter/spring offensive? because literally the only victory russia seems to have claimed in all this time was Bakhmut which not only is smaller than Casper Wyoming, it also took so fucking long to take it became a fucking meme three times over, and that was by all accounts due to meat spam by Wagner.

“The regular army welcomed the help. Prigo and Wagner, as is the wont of special forces, took the limelight and took the credit for stopping the hated Ukrainians.
Stopping them? Stopping them from what!? They LOST remember....

The press gobbled it up. Meanwhile, the big army and Putin slowly changed their strategy from offensive conquest of greater Ukraine to defense of what they already had.
Again...why? russia has clearly been inflicting apocalyptic casualties on Ukraine, has suffered no real setback during the war or any casualties worth noting, have the technological edge due to superior and rugged russian equipment, the sanctions are only strengthening them....so why the change in strategy?

Prigo refused to accept the change and continued on the offensive against Bakhmut. Therein lies the rub. Rather than create a public crisis and court-martial the asshole [Prigozhin], Moscow simply withheld the resources and let Prigo use up his manpower and firepower reserves, dooming him to a stand-down. He is, after all, no matter how cunning financially, an ex-hot dog cart owner with no political or military accomplishments.
Oh oh fucking course, dont wanna create a public crisis by firing the guy.....let him stage a fucking mutiny instead.

“What we never heard is three months ago Wagner was cycled out of the Bakhmut front and sent to an abandoned barracks north of Rostov-on-Don [in southern Russia] for demobilization. The heavy equipment was mostly redistributed, and the force was reduced to about 8,000, 2,000 of which left for Rostov escorted by local police.
Uh-huh, so the force that effectively had zero serious resistance or opposition when it attempted a coup was infact even weaker than previously assumed?

“Putin fully backed the army who let Prigo make a fool of himself and now disappear into ignominy. All without raising a sweat militarily or causing Putin to face a political standoff with the fundamentalists, who were ardent Prigo admirers. Pretty shrewd.”
"I stabbed myself in the gut and removed a foot of my own intestines in order to avoid constipation that night, pretty shrewd huh?"

There is an enormous gap between the way the professionals in the American intelligence community assess the situation and what the White House and the supine Washington press project to the public by uncritically reproducing the statements of Blinken and his hawkish cohorts.
Apparently "professionals in the American intelligence community" think that having a mutiny break out is a sign of strength and stability so I would be a little sceptical of their input.

The current battlefield statistics that were shared with me suggest that the Biden administration’s overall foreign policy may be at risk in Ukraine. They also raise questions about the involvement of the NATO alliance, which has been providing the Ukrainian forces with training and weapons for the current lagging counter-offensive. I learned that in the first two weeks of the operation, the Ukraine military seized only 44 square miles of territory previously held by the Russian army, much of it open land. In contrast, Russia is now in control of 40,000 square miles of Ukrainian territory. I have been told that in the past ten days Ukrainian forces have not fought their way through the Russian defenses in any significant way. They have recovered only two more square miles of Russian-seized territory. At that pace, one informed official said, waggishly, it would take Zelensky’s military 117 years to rid the country. of Russian occupation.
BREAKING NEWS: War not won instantly against an enemy with greater numbers in dug in positions - Local Boomer apoplectic

Also given how totally russia has been winning, why the heck is Ukraine advancing at all?!

The Washington press in recent days seems to be slowly coming to grips with the enormity of the disaster, but there is no public evidence that President Biden and his senior aides in the White House and State Department aides understand the situation.
A disaster so enormous it requires the same clip of a knocked out Leopard and some Bradleys to be played on repeat for weeks to prove how totally Ukraine is losing

Putin now has within his grasp total control, or close to it, of the four Ukrainian oblasts—Donetsk, Kherson, Lubansk, Zaporizhzhia—that he publicly annexed on September 30, 2022, seven months after he began the war.
Well.....Luhansk is indeed largely occupied right now by russia and the rest have been around 30-50% defended/liberated by Ukraine but who cares about the little details when PUTIN STRONK.

The next step, assuming there is no miracle on the battlefield, will be up to Putin. He could simply stop where he is, and see if the military reality will be accepted by the White House and whether a ceasefire will be sought, with formal end-of-war talks initiated.
Ya know the whole "feeble and cucked Ukrainoids lack the will to fight back against the mighty russian uber-bear" narrative would probably work better if....well....the past two years were not a thing. Also I must ask again. Why the heck would the US not be invested in making sure russia gets screwed over after the last century of russia screwing the US over?

There will be a presidential election next April in Ukraine, and the Russian leader may stay put and wait for that—if it takes place. President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine has said there will be no elections while the country is under martial law.
BREAKING NEWS: Nation invaded and partially occupied declares martial law - Local Boomer shidding and fardding in outrage

Biden’s political problems, in terms of next year’s presidential election, are acute—and obvious. On June 20 the Washington Post published an article based on a Gallup poll under the headline “Biden Shouldn’t Be as Unpopular as Trump—but He Is.” The article accompanying the poll by Perry Bacon, Jr., said that Biden has “almost universal support within his own party, virtually none from the opposition party and terrible numbers among independents.” Biden, like previous Democratic presidents, Bacon wrote, struggles “to connect with younger and less engaged voters.” Bacon had nothing to say about Biden’s support for the Ukraine war because the poll apparently asked no questions about the administration’s foreign policy.
Ok and how are the republican front runners doing right now? and how many of them are not towing the establishment line with Ukraine?

The looming disaster in Ukraine, and its political implications, should be a wake-up call for those Democratic members of Congress who support the president but disagree with his willingness to throw many billions of good money after bad in Ukraine in the hope of a miracle that will not arrive.
Nigger this looming disaster has been looming since the war began and your ilk announced ukraine would crumble in less than a week.....then less than a fortnight....then less than a month....then less than two months....and so on until we reach the here and the now.

Also as previously mentioned, the US has historically spent far more money on far more moronic and less fruitful geostrategic ventures, so why exactly would they choose to stop pressing the "make russia shit itself for 50c" button?

Democratic support for the war is another example of the party’s growing disengagement from the working class. It’s their children who have been fighting the wars of the recent past and may be fighting in any future war. These voters have turned away in increasing numbers as the Democrats move closer to the intellectual and moneyed classes.
Yeah I guess the US has lost vast numbers of soldiers in Ukraine over the last few months....

If there is any doubt about the continuing seismic shift in current politics, I recommend a good dose of Thomas Frank, the acclaimed author of the 2004 best-seller What’s the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America, a book that explained why the voters of that state turned away from the Democratic party and voted against their economic interests. Frank did it again in 2016 in his book Listen, Liberal: Or, Whatever Happened to the Party of the People? In an afterword to the paperback edition he depicted how Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party repeated—make that amplified—the mistakes made in Kansas en route to losing a sure-thing election to Donald Trump.
Still not hearing how a seismic shift will magically put some pro russian cabinet of whimsy and wonder in control and not just the other head of the establishment hydra.

It may be prudent for Joe Biden to talk straight about the war, and its various problems for America—and to explain why the estimated more than $150 billion that his administration has put up thus far turned out to be a very bad investment.
Shooting the country's most insistent and insufferable adversary in the spine and getting to watch it bleed out, revitalising and expanding NATO, shedding a decent chunk of mothballed shit (which is where much/most of this $150 gorillion's value actually comes from) and getting it extra battle tested while also taking out a bunch of shit that would have gone to various US adversaries, sabotaging competing arms manufacturers, sealing Europe's dependency on the US for support and resources.....and with zero US casualties.

Anyway, aside from curing my boredom/sperginess for a half hour or so, the reason I did a point by point for this shit is because it is.....by declaration of the russian gubmint and every pro russia shill on the internet from far left to far right.....the *most* credible pro russian voice out there.

....and yet it reads the exact fucking same and is picked apart just as fucking easily as your average pepe escobar shitpiece. Each and every one of these fucking people feed from the same septic tank of overt russian state media shit, angry conspiracytard piss, and straight up schizo coom, and thus the end results all look the exact fucking same.
 
Radio traffic from a Russian unit being plastered by their own artillery & armor.
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Wow, what a nightmare. Why didn't the firing stop ASAP? Did the people in the tanks and operating the mortars just ignore their radios entirely once they start fighting? Were they somehow out of radio range? Or, once you've realized you've screwed up and opened fire on your own men, do you just go ahead and wipe them out so there's nobody left to report your mistake to superiors?
 
US humiliation would be because probably like Afghanistan, America put all this effort in supporting their type of people and government, and got their ass handed to them. Along with the regime going down, it’d be seen as the harshest form of rejecting and destroying the American ideology as it applies to that specific place.

What would change at home? What I’ve seen is that it’d expose and lay bare a shitload of corruption at the highest levels of government, including the Biden family. We’re talking allegations like money laundering, CIA/US involvement in the Maidan crisis in 2014, color revolutions in general being the work of the US behind closed doors, and all the shit with Burisma that got Trump impeached. The thought is that if Russia wins the war and removes Zelenskyy the shitty actor and cokehead, all of America’s dirty laundry can’t be ignored, and the removals will see the end of the Deep State that controls the world at large to move to the beat of America’s drum.

And maybe some shit about Soros and Israel, that too.
Let's set some things straight.
While I cannot go into the depths of American "imperfections" in this thread for obvious janitorial reasons, Afghanistan was not some colossal defeat, but it was a sign of imperial weakness and a desire to retreat, and lick wounds at home. But the US did NOTHING to crush the Taliban in full, likely because of its attachment to its liberal human rights image. This was not some loss of military capabilities, as the US has the capacity to completely crush Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan simultaneously if it desired to. In many ways, even Russia has that capacity, it could carpet bomb Kiev and Lvov now if it desired, and it would be able to keep that for weeks, until every single relevant city in Ukraine is dust. To assume that US does not have the same capacity is laughable - and we're not even talking a war economy or mobilization, just massive use of technological supremacy.
The US has a crisis of severe polarization and lack of faith in itself. But that cannot be discussed here and it would likely not amount to a discussion either, just shitflinging and memes. China is the only large country with a better hold on itself, and even that is shaky. The Internet makes it easy to mock and deconstruct apparent weaknesses while ignoring everything else.
 
It goes deep, today during my run I listened to Lex Fridman's podcast with RFK Jr.
It has timestamps.
Lex is supposed to be this kind, empathetic, heterodox progressive smart Jew, that could not even tolerate Destiny saying nigger like a gorrillion years ago during some heated gamer moments without going ham on Steven's ass for 2 hours.
Meanwhile, he literally allows RFK to lie, lie, lie (Ukraine lost all its men, Russia stronk, Russia love motherland, counteroffensive ded, Prigozhin dindu nuffin, NO, he actually made Putin stronger, Nazis pressuring Zelensky) for what seemed to be the whole 70 mins of my run. Only once he very timidly pushed back "I went to Ukraine and people there also were unified in fighting this war to the end" - RFK: "yes that makes it even more tragic".
This shit is omnipresent. By now I know all their talking points. It's identical from Soloviev to Judge Napolitano and Scott Ritter to Gonzalo Lira to Glen Greenwald to Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate to Col. Macgregor to Tucker and Tim Pool.
Nobody can accuse me of liking or promoting shitlibs or neocons, but JFC they're right to worry that the "open society" that US represents is getting a fucking anal raping from Russia who gets to promote its propaganda with impunity, and the only people visibly opposing it are boring, obnoxious, MSM shitlib scum that everyone hates, and yet the US can't figure out a way to fix this obvious image problem.
And this Kennedy is "moderate" his milquetoast takes to pander to American right is nothing short of amazing. He bought every single Russian state talking point to point people like Liberal Hivemind are going for his side. Nothing short of election rigging to replace POTATUS gets this guy in office or a nominee status. JFK was last proper Kennedy. This Kennedy is a pinko.
 
Wow, what a nightmare. Why didn't the firing stop ASAP? Did the people in the tanks and operating the mortars just ignore their radios entirely once they start fighting? Were they somehow out of radio range? Or, once you've realized you've screwed up and opened fire on your own men, do you just go ahead and wipe them out so there's nobody left to report your mistake to superiors?
From what I've heard, an issue that might be leading to this kind of situation is how supporting fires are allocated and tasked in the Russian army.

Where we would have these resources at the brigade and battalion level, (as of the DOI like 8 months ago) the Russian Army has them at division level and they are "coordinated" by preplanned dates and times.

Retasking is slow and maneuver units probably don't have direct comms with the FDC. It seems like friendly fire incidents are common as a result.
 
And this Kennedy is "moderate" his milquetoast takes to pander to American right is nothing short of amazing. He bought every single Russian state talking point to point people like Liberal Hivemind are going for his side. Nothing short of election rigging to replace POTATUS gets this guy in office or a nominee status. JFK was last proper Kennedy. This Kennedy is a pinko.
He is... special. I absolutely love that he keeps in shape at his age, although the size of his pecs and arms make me suspect steroids. Sports and health are so integral to my life and work that if I were an American, I'd almost vote for somebody on the single issue of renormalizing this:
That being said, RJF Jr. is also this guy, and plenty on the right have no idea about it.
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Whatever you might think of the Kochs and climate change, maybe executions for something as controversial as this are kinda... weird
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If you think the sports thing is weird, it's all connected. This is, in many aspects, the image that made America beloved and admired all over the planet.
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