Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Why does he have a 2007 scene boy haircut in the third one? Is Prigozhin a big Enter Shikari fan?

That right there is authentic mountain-nigger hairdo

 

[AgendaPoster]

This war has made retards out of everyone. Fucking christ.

Correction, Poso is an openly grifting retard that blocks all criticism and is fragile like a China porcelain since forever

 

[Ghostse]

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https://twitter.com/humanevents/status/1676655273782517760

No one ever addresses these to Putin, the one invading.

The irony is it was, during the rule of the previous Russian stooge. Ending corruption was Zelenskyyyyyy's entire campaign promise. While other, more capable people prosecute the war on his behalf, he's been purging corrupt officials and organisations (like the russian orthodox church and half the security service). All that purging of corrupt elements is suddenly badman evil acts to the very same people who were demanding it just a couple of years ago.

Ukraine high command has been largely purged of Russian agents at this point.

That’s what happens when you go all in on “wanting to destroy Pax Americana” or “fight globohomo” or however the pro Russia crowd paints it.

Again, I'm all for fighting globohomo but this isn't it. Making Ukraine more dependent on the West is spreading globohomo, not stopping it.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

The irony is it was, during the rule of the previous Russian stooge. Ending corruption was Zelenskyyyyyy's entire campaign promise. While other, more capable people prosecute the war on his behalf, he's been purging corrupt officials and organisations (like the russian orthodox church and half the security service). All that purging of corrupt elements is suddenly badman evil acts to the very same people who were demanding it just a couple of years ago.

The deeper layer of irony is that a good majority of the corruption in Ukraine was officials in the pocket of Russia, people willing to sell their country out to a foreign existential threat for a wad of cash.

Asking Russia to fix corruption in Ukraine is like asking the Cartels to fix corruption in Mexico.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Time for some more nuclear attack threats

[Archive (gyppo language)]

 

[mindlessobserver]

And then you got the folks who think that Ukraine is just one big money laundering scheme.

The issue with this is that alot of people In Washington DC probably saw it that way too. Of course non of them bothered to ask why the Ukrainians were so eager to ingratiate themselves with the US political elite. They probably saw it as a corrupt country doing corrupt things. I have to wonder who was playing who now though, because Ukraines willingness to put up with DCs shenanigans has returned a massive dividend.

This also feeds into the continuing narrative of Russia that keeps getting repeated in the Cope thread.

the USA keeps breaking its promises to Russia! That is why Russia invaded Ukraine!

Ignoring of course the fact that anything the USA promised to Russia should by rights be irrelevant to Russo-Ukrainian relations. It's a point that shows the major cognitive disconnect the Russians and their western supporters have with this war. They don't actually see Ukraine as an independent country. Any promises Russia makes with Ukraine or its future relations with it are meaningless to them because at a fundamental level they don't recognize Ukraine as an independent actor in this mess.

Which it most certainly is. At this point even if Washington DC saw Ukraine as a vassal its doubtful such a vassalage would extend. Not with Ukraine having one of the best armies in Europe at this point.

Time for some more nuclear attack threats

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Calling it now. Ukraine is going to slow roll its summer campaign until it can get some F16s holding full loads of Sidewinders and AMRAAMs, in order to render those Russian attack helicopters flying targets instead of Leapord killers.

We will live to see the day bros.

 

[Ghostse]

Calling it now. Ukraine is going to slow roll its summer campaign until it can get some F16s holding full loads of Sidewinders and AMRAAMs, in order to render those Russian attack helicopters flying targets instead of Leapord killers.

I just wish it was people and not Slavs flying them so we could finally settle some lingering cold war debates. I mean Jewish F-16s dunk on Syrian S-300s those are manned by Arabs so we can't truly quantify performance.

Though if the F-16 delivery pans out, Russian command might start feeling some regrets from using all those S-300 missiles to try to freeze grandma.

I can see the future now.
*Ukraine recieves 4 F-16s*
*two weeks pass, war continues*
Vatnigger: Well so much for those Vunderwaffen F-16s! LOL.

It's a point that shows the major cognitive disconnect the Russians and their western supporters have with this war. They don't actually see Ukraine as an independent country. Any promises Russia makes with Ukraine or its future relations with it are meaningless to them because at a fundamental level they don't recognize Ukraine as an independent actor in this mess.

This is the problem here. Same with the Baltics. They aren't countries, they are breakaway provinces and if they aren't subject to the whims of moscow, if their russian ethnic populations aren't allowed to act like they are still in Russia, it is a complete travesty and NATO overstepping its bounds.

Ukraine was a corrupt Slavic shithole. But they had a right be their own corrupt slavic shithole.

Russia blew up an apartment block in Lviv

How could Zelensky force Putin to do this

 

[Random Internet Person]

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-cluster-munitions-biden-russia-war-f364924503dfd14b8851b056852831fb

https://archive.is/wNKep

 

[jalopy]

On Ukrainian corruption, been poking around some Euro news channels and found this:
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Couldn't find an English version. A group called the Federation of Employers in Ukraine has issued the following (machine translated):

In the extremely difficult conditions of the war, Ukrainian business became a pillar of the state ( ... ). Paying taxes, voluntary projects, supporting the armed forces and investing ( ... ), protecting jobs and stable payout are signs of normality for citizens that business provides in these difficult times (...)

The arbitrariness of bribes in uniforms and judges' gowns has crossed all boundaries. There is a war going on, so doing so is more than the — crime we read in the document.

Anyone who engages in extortion and sells the honor of a uniform or judge's gown for bribes during the war, must be held accountable

Because plunderers in the service of the state are convinced of their impunity, business takes up this challenge. We will create a public register of dishonest law enforcement officers and judges

It can either be read as the corruption reaching fever pitch or the corruption having the greatest effect on the common goal of removing Russia. Having trouble find the original. Either way corruption is not gone, it would probably take a few generations to remove as it's a cultural, rather than institutional, aspect. National stories, like wars for independence, help speed this along.

And then you got the folks who think that Ukraine is just one big money laundering scheme.

From what I can tell they conflate:
FTX providing crypto processing services to Ukraine and also donating a lot of money to the DNC or affiliated PACs
with
US government money going to Ukraine that works it's way back to the DNC and affiliated PACs via FTX

Even if the accusation is true, the proposition is a little dumb. PACs have to release all information on donations so the info will all become public.

What is known is that FTX was the preferred crypto clearing house for the DNC and Democrat organizations in the US. This is likely due the founder's parents being closely tied to the Donkeys. This means that FTX's selection for being the crypto broker can be viewed with suspicion, but could just as easily be them willing to take the heat since they already had strong political backing. They might have also had way fewer customers in Russia.

Kind of acedemic though. The founder was taking a pile of drugs known to fuck with risk seeking impulses and he yeeted the whole thing into bankruptcy.

Personally I'm surprised that Ukraine hasn't employed booby traps and trucks that are rigged to explode for example, average russian conscript is thick as pig shit

Maybe a broken truck? If the Ukrainians are retreating the equipment a truck can carry is probably worth more than the one or two Mobiks they could kill per truck.

Spoiler: Poso and Burger Politics

I only listened to a little of the guy when his schticks got greater attention, but considering how much he went on about how great Poland was it's a complete about face to now act like Russia dindu. Never mind the part where Russia's casus belli, homo satanism, de-nazification, de-militarizing are vague and can't be solved overnight by just Zelensky. Putting the onuss on him is just crass political grandstanding.

By comparison, current Republican front runner, Trump's grand standing statement was that he could work with both Putin and Zelensky to end the war in some absurdly low amount of time, a day I think. Ignoring the obvious "Russia is the invader" there is a practicality to the whole thing in that both sides have to agree to end the war on terms both find reasonable. It also gives Trump an out to say that Putin can't be worked with despite his best efforts and intentions. This allows Trump to say he's for peace while not sperging about Ukro-Nazi-HomoSatanists.

PROMOCODE POSO vs PROMOCODE TANYA

This just pisses me off. "Now that I've spent the last ten minutes talking about third trimester abortions, please use our code to save 5% on mattresses/sofas/drapes/picture frame/meat online!"

SIT-DOWN PIZZA HUT RESTAURANTS!!

Okay, but to be fair on this one point, corpo kitsch > corpo homogeneity

 

[East_Clintwood]

The entire FTX-Ukraine-Democrat conspiracy theory is fucking retarded for a whole bunch of reasons. Not least because there are far simpler, and more effective ways for politicians to feather their nest that don't involve a fucking retarded 3 way conspiracy involving the currently single most scrutinized/watched country on the face of the fucking planet.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

AKx6 in action against drone

 

[East_Clintwood]

AKx6 in action against drone

That reminds me of a couple of guns I saw years and years ago on some weird "reality" tv show about a bunch of hick gunsmiths, they did a couple of multi-gun setups. I guess bubbas gonna bubba, wherever they may be. Also is that a fucking Degtyaryov on an AA mount behind him?

 

[mindlessobserver]

It can either be read as the corruption reaching fever pitch or the corruption having the greatest effect on the common goal of removing Russia. Having trouble find the original. Either way corruption is not gone, it would probably take a few generations to remove as it's a cultural, rather than institutional, aspect. National stories, like wars for independence, help speed this along.

I'm gonna read this charitably. Wars, especially wars of national survival like this one, tend to really refocus a societies priorities and anything that goes against the survival of the State starts to be viewed in a lethally hostile manner. Like say, petty corruption. This tends to meet a swift and brutal end after awhile. Especially in circumstances of mass mobilization. Its easy to be a corrupt politician when the Army is small and made up of a paid off "professional" volunteer force. The moment the Army is 90% general citizens who are only in it because the country is at war against an invader, suddenly the power dynamic changes and alot of people who quietly put up with shit suddenly realize they have guns now and don't have to put up with it anymore.

 

[Ghostse]

I'm gonna read this charitably. Wars, especially wars of national survival like this one, tend to really refocus a societies priorities and anything that goes against the survival of the State starts to be viewed in a lethally hostile manner. Like say, petty corruption. This tends to meet a swift and brutal end after awhile. Especially in circumstances of mass mobilization. Its easy to be a corrupt politician when the Army is small and made up of a paid off "professional" volunteer force. The moment the Army is 90% general citizens who are only in it because the country is at war against an invader, suddenly the power dynamic changes and alot of people who quietly put up with shit suddenly realize they have guns now and don't have to put up with it anymore.

In the middle of a war ,especially one for survival as with Ukraine, petty graft & grift also now goes from a white collar wink & nudge to actual traitor behavior and has the potential of being dealt with as such.

And I guess to go Fukiyama on it, if your government is corrupt, disorganized and utterly fucked, your government won't survive the war.

 

[Akran]

That reminds me of a couple of guns I saw years and years ago on some weird "reality" tv show about a bunch of hick gunsmiths, they did a couple of multi-gun setups. I guess bubbas gonna bubba, wherever they may be. Also is that a fucking Degtyaryov on an AA mount behind him?

 

[mindlessobserver]

In the middle of a war ,especially one for survival as with Ukraine, petty graft & grift also now goes from a white collar wink & nudge to actual traitor behavior and has the potential of being dealt with as such.

And I guess to go Fukiyama on it, if your government is corrupt, disorganized and utterly fucked, your government won't survive the war.

I imagine outright corruption that compromises the survival of the State will go about as well as this scene from one of the few very based Animes "12 Kingdoms".

Don't watch if you don't want the climax spoiled. But seriously, this thing is so underrated. Its up there with Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

 

[GuntPatrol]

But in seriousness, I assume they're improvising some sort of oxygen deprivation effect to give the tourniquet training a little more fizz and sparkle.

It actually seems like a pretty good way to simulate the stress you'd experience if you were bleeding out, and only had 90 seconds to apply a tourniquet. It's important to learn how to control your anxiety response in an emergency. They probably make sure the soldier can demonstrate the ability to apply a tourniquet first, and then have them run the test again with the bag over their head (without any warning). "Good job! Now let's see if you can do it again before suffocating."

edit: I forgot to add, it's also relatively safe*. The soldiers' hands aren't bound, so if they panic they can just rip a hole in the bag, and then you reprimand them for being "dead."


*Legal disclaimer: putting plastic bags over anyone's face is not safe

 

[jalopy]

I imagine outright corruption that compromises the survival of the State will go about as well as this scene from one of the few very based Animes "12 Kingdoms".

Maybe this is a tad pedantic, but this isn't just about a State, this is about a Nation. The Russian claim is predicated on Ukraine being "some border land", not a place with a distinct people. Little Russians just begging to be part of Russkiy Mir. There's certainly a mixture of cultures, but the same can be said of all Europe and after the Treaty of Helsinki, which Russia signed when the Soviet Union collapsed, a line in the sand was drawn against revanchism. The one exception is Yugoslavia, because they collapsed. That's why we have Kosovo and why Serbia is telling Russia to shove it because their claim to Kosovo relies on a generous reading of Helsinki. It's also full of Albanians so I don't get why anyone wants it.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

AKx6 in action against drone

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Meet The Engineer:
"For instance, how am I gonna stop some big mean Mother-Hubbard from tearin' me a structurally superfluous new behind?"
"The answer? Use a gun. And if that don't work, use more gun."

"Like this, heavy-caliber tripod-mounted little-old-number designed by me."

 

[mindlessobserver]

Maybe this is a tad pedantic, but this isn't just about a State, this is about a Nation. The Russian claim is predicated on Ukraine being "some border land", not a place with a distinct people. Little Russians just begging to be part of Russkiy Mir. There's certainly a mixture of cultures, but the same can be said of all Europe and after the Treaty of Helsinki, which Russia signed when the Soviet Union collapsed, a line in the sand was drawn against revanchism. The one exception is Yugoslavia, because they collapsed. That's why we have Kosovo and why Serbia is telling Russia to shove it because their claim to Kosovo relies on a generous reading of Helsinki. It's also full of Albanians so I don't get why anyone wants it.

Which is a baffling take because even my western ass knows Russia has ALWAYS been an Imperial Project of the Muscovites and the Romanov Dynasty.

Literally go a three hours drive outside Moscow in any direction and you are outside "Russia", at least as far as the world understands it. The people may speak Russian, but they are not Russian. The trans Siberia railway is a fascinating example of this colonial empire, dotted with towns inhabited by everyone from forcibly migrated Estonians to the native Mongols.

This is also why Putin is depopulating the colonial hinterland to fight his war. "RUSSIA" has always been a colonial enterprise of the Grand Duchy of Moscow, and the Russo Ukrainian War is the most violent challenge to this paradigm since Ivan the Terrible sacked Astrakhan and brought the Steppe Nomads to heel.

Putin cannot sustain this war if he is forced to draw on the blood of the muscovite Imperial core. But the consequences of taking the mask off has already hardened Ukrainian national identity and resolve. Insuring this war will not end any time soon.

At the same time, not only is Putin pissing away the Soviet stockpiles in a futile war, he is also embittering the Colonies against the metropole. Ukraine and the West are not blind to this either.

But the real joke is the Russian Governmemt is telling its people that the largest war since the second world War in Europe is just a special military operation.