Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

I hope I'll see some proper Western important dudes clarifying that these are not even remotely the foundations of our culture and societies. JFC
Vain hope, unfortunately. Our leaders are fuckwits, who think that the solution to a lack of housing and essential infrastructure is to import more poor and uneducated people, because that somehow magically fixes everything.

As for homos: they are their own worst enemy. Sort of like the Scots.




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Well, RIP my expectations for brotherhood and conciliation, tired of this shit lmao
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We give him security. Keep our wingnut gruggs away. Ensure that he has freedom of expression, even knowing how much controversy can he cause.
We're in a war, he openly sides with the enemy against his allies.
Pointless. Can't help some things.
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Also, if the Westoids accept this framing that "LGBTQ, migration and war" are "Western values", we are FUCKED. Nobody sane wants to defend that shit and it does not benefit Westerners at all.
I hope I'll see some proper Western important dudes clarifying that these are not even remotely the foundations of our culture and societies. JFC
You're at a lose scenario, if the west goes hard right into forcing western suprmracy as they should, then the niggers of asia and africa will chimp out about a "United front of the Neo Nazi West". basically any attempt of the west to be nationalistic or pro western ideals the non whites niggers will cry about "muh neo nazis/imperialist/genocidal/colonizers".
But yeah i would love to see hungary to to Steal translvanya from Hungary, how did that go back in 1919. I'm all for deporting hungarians to central asia at this point, give romania up to that river near Debrecen, and divide the rest between Austria, Slovakia and the Croats.

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The Triple Bitchtente of Europe: Russia, Serbia, Hungary.
Give serbia a bit of credit, they got bombed outright by NATO airforces and actively tried to take their claims back by force in the 90s, compared to hungary which just sucks off any power they think will give them their "clay"
 
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Vain hope, unfortunately
Still, this has to be challenged. You cannot build anything on being a hyperviolent homosexual PoC enjoyer like Orban suggested in the article.
We simply cannot allow this framing to exist. The "West" must take ownership of its legacy and history before people will stop believing in it and lean towards more courageous, daring societies.
This is not sustainable.
 
Still, this has to be challenged. You cannot build anything on being a hyperviolent homosexual PoC enjoyer like Orban suggested in the article.
We simply cannot allow this framing to exist. The "West" must take ownership of its legacy and history before people will stop believing in it and lean towards more courageous, daring societies.
This is not sustainable.
While i agree heavily, again i say if we did, the non whites in africa and asia will chimp the fuck out, if they see a west getting its shit together they'll cry and moan about "those evil colonizers". thus giving China's "anti imperialism" (lie) stance more credibility among the brownoids of the world. and honestly I have to semi agree with my dad on this, even if he's a bit of a schizo. "Unite the West and lock it from the rest of the nigger world as they don't matter". maybe a firewall against china, india and other nations would be good, think how much the internet would approve if we just blocked all those retards.
THIS JUST IN /POL/ USERBASE DROP 98% SINCE WESTERN FIREWALL
 
If Russia did the same they would probably rain hell on Ukrainian military bases, but they're too blinded by the terror/revenge mindset like the Nazis had with their V1/2 rockets
To be fair towards ze Reich; their analogue computer (such wonderful analogues [These people really did insane things with what were essentially clockworks] ) guided missiles had no change of hitting targets smaller than London.
 
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The Jews are rather happy with their small piece of land in the Middle East barely the size of New Jersey. Hungary are the ones constantly obsessing over the fact that they don't own half the Balkans.
Hungarians are just by default a slave ethnicity, they'll submit to everyone (Austrians, Ottomans, Soviets, Nazis, Romanians, Polish). They always need a bigger power to carry them because they themselves are a weak nation, no matter how much they go WE WUZ HUNS N SHIET.
 
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New birthday track for Zaluzhny just dropped:
The orchestra of the 93rd brigade Kholodny Yar decided to congratulate the Commander- in- Chief of the Armed Forces Valery Zaluzhny of Ukraine, happy birthday, performing the song "Our Father Zaluzhny".
As Slavic martial music goes it's actually pretty solid, 8/10 would pump me up before a battle; and definitely grades higher than Serbia Strong. It sounds honest & heartfelt; much different from what the Russians are forced to sing. The only honesty I hear from Russians about their leadership, are those "Vladimir Vladimirovich, You're Our Only Hope" videos.
 
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More insane FPV warheads.... like a fucking claymore:
Man, and I thought the claymore roomba was the top end of personal defense weapons.
For better or worse, with all these militarized drones going up against traditional land and sea vehicles, we might be seeing the future of insurgent warfare in the 21st century.
War... has changed. Christ, its like Tom Clancy and Hideo Kojima came up with this war during a mutual LSD bender.
But seriously, bring back privateering on the Black Sea.
Bad idea for Russia considering how fond the Ukrainians are of their Viking roots.
The fun theory is there is was some half-built Kilo-class that Ukraine completed & secretly commissioned since 2014. And it is getting serviced in some soviet sub pen that's supposed be be near Odessa, that was meant to service the Boomer-Now-Guide-Missile-Sub the USSR had in the Black Sea.
The Ukrainians have proven themselves far more ingenious than anyone was expecting. It wouldn't surprise me if they had pulled that off.
I wonder if it can damage a BMP in any meaningful way.
With how thin a BMP's armor is you can open it up like a tin can with a Ma Deuce. Hell, a M240b with AP could do the job on the side at about 100m.
We took McCarthy for granted while we had him.
And for some extra irony, HUAC was originally the Dickstein Committee, headed by one Samuel Dickstein, Russian-born Jew and well-paid NKVD agent who was assigned the code name of Crook for this shameless greed. No, not even /pol/ could come up with something that hilarious.
Maybe America should have backed the Krauts in WWI, rather than "perfidious Albion" and the cheese-eating surrender monkeys.
No. The Germans were even worse cunts than the English and French. Do recall that Wilhelm II was such a fucking asshole he got the French and English to kiss and make up simply because he was that insistent on causing trouble for everyone.
To be fair towards ze Reich; their analogue computer (such wonderful analogues [These people really did insane things witch what were essentially clockworks] ) guided missiles had no change of hitting targets smaller than London.
You're dismissing literally everything the West did. Like TV, infrared, and active radar bombs, as well as Razon.

As to some news...
https://www.dw.com/en/kyiv-imposes-ban-on-russian-language-culture/a-66301913
https://archive.ph/rS2vl

Kyiv imposes ban on Russian-language culture​

Oh no! So, anyway...

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/21/u-s-f-16-ukraine-00107620
https://archive.ph/KXHv0

U.S. says F-16s will arrive in Ukraine ‘towards the end of the year’​

Have no real idea of what effect it will have thanks to how many SAM systems the Russians have, and I hope Ukraine doesn't deploy them until they've found a way to thin the herds there.

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So, about Russia's bottomless manpower reserves...

https://archive.is/V8X0X

Ukraine’s new Bradley Fighting Vehicles face damage and quick repairs​

The Bradley is performing about as well as expected. Taking hits, getting damaged, but keeping the guys inside alive, even when running into anti-tank mines.

And now, just the one shitpost:
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So, about Russia's bottomless manpower reserves
Moscows problem is not a lack of manpower per se, it's a lack of manpower outside the Moscow and Saint Petersburg Metropolitan regions. The war against Ukraine is a colonial one after all, and it can only be fought given sufficient numbers of colonial Sepoys, who are expendable. Unlike the Imperial core.

Of course this means they are scraping the bottom of the barrel and the families out in the hinterlands are probably hiding their kids at this point, if not getting mutinous and harboring double plus not good opinions about the State.

So if the Peasents in the Colonies refuse to give up their sons, well, the fathers ans grandfather's will have to serve the Empire instead.
 
Have no real idea of what effect it will have thanks to how many SAM systems the Russians have, and I hope Ukraine doesn't deploy them until they've found a way to thin the herds there.
Part of the reason F-16's or at least Gripens are wanted is because they can fire BVR missiles at both air and ground targets.
Currently, what few air-to-air engagements occur, Russia does hold an advantage due to the fact they can engage Ukrainian aircraft out of the range of Ukrainian SAMs but Ukrainians can't engage Russian aircraft at similar distances. On paper the MiG-29 and Su-27 are capable of doing this, but the only major nation making modern BVR missiles for those aircraft is Russia and to a minor extent China, neither of whom are going to sell them to Ukraine any time soon.
Likewise, a lot of ground-attack missions are doing flying under the radar, popping up and firing rockets or maybe, maybe, maybe a laser-guided munition - all of which put the aircraft dangerously close to Russian SAMs.

Now, all the sudden give the Ukrainians F-16's armed with AIM-120 and SLAM-ER and you have an asset which can not only hit both Russian aircraft and ground targets behind their lines, but also presents such a threat that it would likely force Russian aircraft to get more risky when engaging them.
 
WW2 started because France and UK were guarantors of Polands independence. Free Poland was basically what millions of people died for when you boil it down and the result of that """victory""" was that it got occupied by people worse than Germans. You can't just kill half of Europe for a cause and 6 years later go "woops lol i guess technically germany lost so poland is safe XD!"

This war in Ukraine is a direct result of centuries of West not giving a shit about Eastern Europes warnings that Russians are literal snow niggers.
Every time Germany chimped out Bongs and frogs would be all over that shit, meanwhile Russia was genociding non-stop in the east and the only push-back they got for it during the last 300 years was the crimean "war".

Well now we have a war that the west can't close its eyes on, but i guarantee that after ukraine wins (theres legitimately no other outcome) eurofags will be tearing each other apart on who gets to "normalize" relationships with russia first, and the talks of "bringing them in into the big european family" will start. resulting in another Russian chimpout in 50 years.
Russia werent even a Great Power until the second half of the 1800s
 
Too much history-sperging and political-sperging in this thread. Not enough talk about the war. I might as well be harvesting (you)'s on /pol/.
When you have people trying to justify current events using history, it only makes sense you'll see history sperging
The whole thing is driven by revisionism and revanchism, neither of which can exist without underlying history

Weak b8 m8
 
Part of the reason F-16's or at least Gripens are wanted is because they can fire BVR missiles at both air and ground targets.
Currently, what few air-to-air engagements occur, Russia does hold an advantage due to the fact they can engage Ukrainian aircraft out of the range of Ukrainian SAMs but Ukrainians can't engage Russian aircraft at similar distances. On paper the MiG-29 and Su-27 are capable of doing this, but the only major nation making modern BVR missiles for those aircraft is Russia and to a minor extent China, neither of whom are going to sell them to Ukraine any time soon.
Likewise, a lot of ground-attack missions are doing flying under the radar, popping up and firing rockets or maybe, maybe, maybe a laser-guided munition - all of which put the aircraft dangerously close to Russian SAMs.

Now, all the sudden give the Ukrainians F-16's armed with AIM-120 and SLAM-ER and you have an asset which can not only hit both Russian aircraft and ground targets behind their lines, but also presents such a threat that it would likely force Russian aircraft to get more risky when engaging them.
There is another thing the F16 can carry that a MIG cannot. The 2000lb JDAM, and all its variants. Cluster bomb, Hi-ex, and everyone's favorite, the BLU-109 Thermobaric bunker buster. Guaranteed to kill everything in an entrenched postion, or your money back.

People are looking at the F16 as the answer to Russias air superiority in attack helicopters, but the platforms ability to deliver aerial death to ground forces from a distance is the real game changer.
 
Part of the reason F-16's or at least Gripens are wanted is because they can fire BVR missiles at both air and ground targets.
This and they have better integration with NATO weapon systems in general; JDAMs, HARM, etc. And a better sensor suite PLUS improved ECM pods. This means F-16s will be able to attack reliably and accurately from outside the range of Russian airdefense and CAP - unless said CAP gets in range of Ukrainian AAD.

If they remove Russian CAP's stand off abilities, all the better.

I still don't think giving them F-16s is a very helpful move. I'd rather see them get more armor and AAD. But we'll see how it shapes out.

The other issue is this would be the first "non-surplus" system Ukraine has gotten from the US. That is, the F-16 is going to be flying for the US until its goddamn near 100 years old, and in service with other countries probably for longer than that.

Have no real idea of what effect it will have thanks to how many SAM systems the Russians have, and I hope Ukraine doesn't deploy them until they've found a way to thin the herds there.
It has the POTENTIAL to completely change the game and remove Russia's current air superiority, but that's going to come down to Ukraine's ability to use them: Pilots to fly them (and to understand how they fly) and command to not deploy them like soviet fighters. So 40/60.

The F-16 can dunk on the S-300 no issue, the Jews do it all the time to Syria. On the other hand, the S-300 is more than capable of taking out an F-16 with an unwary, untrained, or unluckly pilot. The S-300 struggles against an F-16 pilot with training and awareness he's operating in hostile airspace - but it can be done. if a pilot uses situational awareness they can be undone by S-300 using S-200 missiles
(tl;dr to cut off any Vatnigger cope: Israel was striking Iranian targets in Syria. Uptil that point in the civil war, Israeli pilots had been all but forbidden from hitting Syrian air-defense targets as their stated cause was to hit only Iranian (Hezbollah) sites - thus Syrian AAD was maximized and operators had little to no fear of Israeli jets hitting them back. The Israeli F-16 had climbed and was doing a slow, steady orbit to validate the results of the Israeli strike when it got got. Syrian AAD still had to use 27 missiles. Immediately after this, there was a punitive stomping of Syrian AAD and Israeli ROE for pilots changed to "HARM the fuck out anything that even scans in your general director" and there have been no more shootdowns or damaged F-16s. Thus ukrainian F-16s would be unlikely to find themselves in a similar situation - no weapons hold on Russian AAD, likely no civilian leadership willing to risk pilots/planes for photo-ops)

For Ukraine, the bigger problem is the presence of S-400, and the ability of S-300 launchers to slave into an S-400 system. Thanks to America's Greatest Allies, the Turks, everyone knows the S-400 can track F-16 and there is real-world experience operator experience of S-400s locking onto them (not archiving because it does what It says on the tin - turkey used S-400 to track F-16s during some war games that included Greece)

This is only a problem if they get their F-16s in range of the front, which they won't need to. F-16 can just get up high and drop ordinance well before any Russian missiles could reach them.

The Jews are rather happy with their small piece of land in the Middle East
Since fucking WHEN?
 
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It sucks; I spent so much of my life studying wars that happened decades ago, that I don't have enough time left to study the ones happening in my lifetime. Hell, there's going to be entire academic schools & disciplines created out of this one, and it ain't even over yet.
 
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Since forever? You see Israel launching any wars of conquest on their Arab neighbors? Neighbors who, conversely, have launched MULTIPLE wars to try to drive the Jews into the sea. Israel actually gave back the Sinai Peninsula in exchange for a peace treaty with Egypt.

They gave up the Sinai after getting BTFO pretty hard at the start of Yum Kippur. Sure the jews were dunking on the arabs pretty hard by the end (cause Arabs) but losses taken before then were not sustainable. Not quite pyrrhic victory bad but it wasn't too far off. So the Jews took advantage of a US-arranged peace deal with a weak Egyptian (and Jordanian) government who were wanting to focus on internal issues instead of "Pan-Arabism" (because that meant dealing with the other, bad Arabs). Its not they gave up the Sinai and more decided it wasn't worth the blood required to hold it, especially when giving it up it gave them the chance to do the favorite Jew tactic of divide and conquer.

Israel hasn't really surrendered any claims to territory and only a general low population + limited international support for expanding borders is keeping them from fishing for lebensraum. They have never stopped trying to pressure the Palestinians from land they seized during a manufactured civil war with their 'settlements'. Yes, they took the territory from shiftless Arabs (via taking it from the Brits) so its not like any people had anything taken from them, but its the principal of the thing.

And that's to say nothing of the International Jew inflitrating the goyverments, or shit like surrounding Mahattan with magical jew wire.

Don't get me wrong, if the mideast Arabs actually gave a shit about the palestinians they could have just absorbed them decades ago (and don't because they are the other, bad sort of Arab) but acting like zionists are good boys doing nuffin is some peak revisionism.
 
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