Off-Topic What is YOUR fundamental issue with troons outside of their batshittery.

[DoNotFeedTheSneed]

Old school communists viewed individuals something like ants in an ant colony. The strength and health of the colony as a whole was important. But no individual ant really mattered all that much. They all exist to contribute to the colony, their own personal ambition and identity was secondary to fitting in and doing what is good for society as a whole. Troon socialism feels like somewhat the opposite of that. Everything is about their identity, their superiority. The rest of society needs to change to accommodate them rather than having them change to fit into society. It's communism filtered through American individualism. There's a reason there wasn't a troonery epidemic in the Soviet Union.

Like all authoritarians, their beliefs are colored by the pipedream of being at the top of the system. As an example, members of the communist party of the Soviet union had far more rights than those of the average citizen. They viewed themselves as intellectually superior. It's the exact same shit with troons nowadays. Why do you think they all gravitate to having cushy, stress-free, and non-intensive jobs in their fantasy commune? Pride and ego, that's why. They expect you to face all of the adversity for them.

They'll snap out of their pipedream quick when they're assigned to work in a car factory or a steel mill.

 

[Cheeseknife]

Old school communists viewed individuals something like ants in an ant colony.

It's more like cattle today since modern communists are categorizing people by race, ethnicity, and sexual proclivities. People become animals to be herded into their cages.

In fact, this is probably the main issue with troons outside of their batshittery--the fact that they've been led to believe that because they chopped off their dick and started taking drugs, they've suddenly become a high-class human being. They've been led to believe they are, indeed, better than regular people. And if anyone disagrees, then they believe they ought to be punished.

 

[Dufe]

Going after kids under the guise of being apart of the lolgtfobbq and having smooth brain leftists defend them.

 

[Cheeseknife]

Something that needs to be acknowledged as well is the "troon" phenomena is not entirely one where people have gone through the surgery or are taking hormones. If one recalls Kayla Lemieux, the Canadian teacher with Z-size prosthetic breasts that he conveniently took off when he wasn't in class teaching his student. In that case, the whole thing was purely performative--just something would ensure his tenure.

This is something to keep in mind for any Leftists who defend trannies, fags, or whatever. They will actively pretend to be these things because politics had largely become a performative religion. A major tragedy is that they're inspiring the actual biological changes in younger people who don't know any better.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Like all authoritarians, their beliefs are colored by the pipedream of being at the top of the system. As an example, members of the communist party of the Soviet union had far more rights than those of the average citizen. They viewed themselves as intellectually superior. It's the exact same shit with troons nowadays. Why do you think they all gravitate to having cushy, stress-free, and non-intensive jobs in their fantasy commune? Pride and ego, that's why. They expect you to face all of the adversity for them.

They'll snap out of their pipedream quick when they're assigned to work in a car factory or a steel mill.

Mikhail Bakunin's (19th century anarcho communist) big criticism of Marxism was "all you're doing is replacing one elite with another, they're just going to take the place of the capitalists they overthrew and start oppressing people again." Bakunin was batshit in his own right and idk that his version of communism would have worked any better. But he was more or less right. The idea behind communism is that eventually the state is supposed to whither away and everyone becomes equal. But once you give an elite power there's no reason to expect them to voluntarily give that up.

A big thing that frustrated me about dealing with socialists even before the current troon wave got so bad is that a lot of them really just seem like they want revenge on the people they hate. Left wing politics in theory is meant to be about empathy for the oppressed. But they mainly just hated the people they saw as their oppressors. And you kind of got the feeling that they only hated them because they hadn't been let into the club.

It's more like cattle today since modern communists are categorizing people by race, ethnicity, and sexual proclivities. People become animals to be herded into their cages.

In fact, this is probably the main issue with troons outside of their batshittery--the fact that they've been led to believe that because they chopped off their dick and started taking drugs, they've suddenly become a high-class human being. They've been led to believe they are, indeed, better than regular people. And if anyone disagrees, then they believe they ought to be punished.

It's wild that liberals are the ones really into racial blood quantum these days. They're the ones obsessed with doing DNA tests to find out how racially pure they are. Of course they're trying to find out that they're actually part bipoc rather than evil whiteys. But it's the other side of the coin as what white nationalists do.

Something that needs to be acknowledged as well is the "troon" phenomena is not entirely one where people have gone through the surgery or are taking hormones. If one recalls Kayla Lemieux, the Canadian teacher with Z-size prosthetic breasts that he conveniently took off when he wasn't in class teaching his student. In that case, the whole thing was purely performative--just something would ensure his tenure.

This is something to keep in mind for any Leftists who defend trannies, fags, or whatever. They will actively pretend to be these things because politics had largely become a performative religion. A major tragedy is that they're inspiring the actual biological changes in younger people who don't know any better.

Yeah, there is this idea on the left that someone wouldn't just lie about being oppressed. I guess cishet white people like Rachel Dolezal can. But certainly not anyone from a marginalised identity. But being oppressed gives you power now. Where there is power there is going to be power hungry people seeking it out. That seems so self evidently obvious when you're not caught up in liberal idpol. But it's heresy to say this in mainstream liberal circles.

 

[Manat]

The Transexuals

Just go check what's left of Susan's Place, even the old farts are now getting their egos stroked and thinking "yeah, why not? I'm a real woman. And even if I have an advantage, it's small and I deserve the sacrifice". Anyone who says otherwise is told to stop being transphobic and to shut up, politely. Those normal reality based trannies are a myth, I keep hearing about and never see anywhere on the internet.

Tranny A:

At some point we will need to intelligently debate the matters that have serious consequence on our collective society. Sometimes fighting fire with fire leaves only ashes and bitter memories.. Sometimes we need to put flowers in the barrels of guns.

I wrote this piece off of the news of British cycling banning transgender females from competing in elite competitions. They say they did it with a 'heavy heart' and, I sort of understand. I do understand their reasoning. Biomechanically, all other things equal, if you went through a male type puberty.. you are better equipped to power a bicycle. But as I laid out above, that is not the simple answer. There are no simple answers, but if we are not having the dialogues in an intelligent way, even if no-one else is listening at the moment, then we have no reason to bleet when other people make legislations that detriment our lives.

Tranny B:

Thank you Sarah for a well thought out post! A central issue seems to be fairness, and this is based on the all consuming need to win. Is sport really just about winning? Competition serves to improve our species, and provide the motivation to try harder, but in recent decades, it has become also about sponsorship and advertising, and this has infiltrated our Olympic competition which was previously strictly amateur. Winning now means better access to doctors and hi tech training and equipment, but also worldwide exposure as a celebrity. ‘Sportsmanship’, where athletes help each other to perform, is slowly dying.

He rambles on and on about differences and just loops back to "whatever lol"

So, we are different. But so are those dominant athletes who are celebrated, so where is this mythical ‘fairness’? I read an amazing article on this in which the author proposed that if fairness was the primary goal, gendered categories should be abandoned and replaced by performance gradings. That way, everybody would be competing with others at a similar level. This should certainly be the case for community level sports to allow everyone to participate with fairness.

Tranny C:

No, it isn't a cynical shrug to anything. You're missing the point. The science is already being done, the research is being done. My point is a vast number of people don't want to accept what this research tells them. Trans people in sport are at the whims of public opinion more than any sort of scientific basis for whether we have advantages or not. You only need people stirring it up like Sharron Davies, telling anyone who will listen, pandering to public opinion... and all the research in the world won't make any difference. Because a lot of the general public seem to enjoy being ignorant. It reinforces their beliefs. And when there are sponsorships and large sums of money involved... people are far more likely to go crying foul if they lose and miss out on both.

He believes that the only reason trannies are being pushed outside women sport is money, and that the science prove they are the same. Even when he entertains someone transing to win medals it doesn't move him "they will be found out eventually".

I understand the whole "I will cry gender dysphoria just to win against women because I can't win against men." You have to be a certain kind of... unscrupulous character... to do something like that, though. And maybe need to be seeing a therapist for different reasons, because that's something which will have long-lasting implications, even if you get your wish. It's not something you can just switch off once you get what you wanted. Not without serious questions. And I kind of feel like people who do that will be found out and ostracised in the end. But it's not something that should make everyone else not doing that, have to follow a whole different set of criteria just to make sure that doesn't happen.

They're all much of the same. Narcissist with zero regard for anything but what they want and what the deserve to get, which is everything they ever desire.

If 80+ old trannies think this, there is no hope with the rest, only force and law will establish boundaries with them, the chance for reason and negotiating is long gone.

 

[TruffleSpark]

If 80+ old trannies think this, there is no hope with the rest, only force and law will establish boundaries with them, the chance for reason and negotiating is long gone.

well that's depressing, I guess the relative sanity of the previous generation of trannys was more just them being aware that there was a greater social cost to pay for being batshit

 

[Cheeseknife]

Yeah, there is this idea on the left that someone wouldn't just lie about being oppressed. I guess cishet white people like Rachel Dolezal can. But certainly not anyone from a marginalised identity. But being oppressed gives you power now. Where there is power there is going to be power hungry people seeking it out. That seems so self evidently obvious when you're not caught up in liberal idpol. But it's heresy to say this in mainstream liberal circles.

I don't know if these people can actually tell the difference between what's truth and what's a lie anymore. Especially when those in authority are freely redefining words in whatever manner turns their lie into a "truth." Kind of like how "woman" can't be defined anymore. If words don't mean anything, then truth becomes a technicality.

 

[Procrastinhater]

They're all much of the same. Narcissist with zero regard for anything but what they want and what the deserve to get, which is everything they ever desire.

If 80+ old trannies think this, there is no hope with the rest, only force and law will establish boundaries with them, the chance for reason and negotiating is long gone.

Well at least I don't have to use bullshit exceptions I don't really believe in anyway during polite conversation anymore.

Caedite eos.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I don't know if these people can actually tell the difference between what's truth and what's a lie anymore. Especially when those in authority are freely redefining words in whatever manner turns their lie into a "truth." Kind of like how "woman" can't be defined anymore. If words don't mean anything, then truth becomes a technicality.

we have absolutely given up on the concept of a shared objective reality

 

[GettrGriftr]

Jordan Peterson predicted lawsuits in the future for all these kids who had their bodies and/or biology fucked with. When do y'all think that'll start to ramp up?

At least in the States, it may never happen, not against individual doctors or hospitals at least. It will depend on the several States' own laws concerning medical negligence or malpractice and their statutes of limitation to bring such suits. I know that in some States, the limitations period in a medical-malpractice case begins to run when the act being complained of occurred , not when it was noticed or felt by the injured party, and that limitations period can be as short as one year.

So, for example, say a surgeon leaves a steel instrument in you after an invasive procedure. And say it takes 18 months for you to start really suffering complications from that negligent act. In  some states, if you don't bring your lawsuit within one year of the instrument being left in you, even though you didn't know the instrument was there until 18 months later, you're SOL in trying to sue the surgeon, the surgical team, or the hospital for negligence. You'd be left trying to prove that it was an intentional act, and good luck with that.

All that is to say that I'm not bullish on the idea that all these teet-yeeting, dick-chopping, cross-sex hormone providers will face much in the way of civil damages via med-mal lawsuits.

 

[FinnSven]

Old school communists viewed individuals something like ants in an ant colony. The strength and health of the colony as a whole was important. But no individual ant really mattered all that much. They all exist to contribute to the colony, their own personal ambition and identity was secondary to fitting in and doing what is good for society as a whole. Troon socialism feels like somewhat the opposite of that. Everything is about their identity, their superiority. The rest of society needs to change to accommodate them rather than having them change to fit into society. It's communism filtered through American individualism. There's a reason there wasn't a troonery epidemic in the Soviet Union.

Without trying to derail into a discussion into theories as to why Communism appeals to these kids, it seems to me that the "ant colony" idea you describe could mesh well with Autists.

If you take the perspective that in such a society everyone will be placed where they best can benefit society, so to their logic, if they are amazing gamers, then surely the state will see that they serve society best by gaming all day.
This obviously is not exactly like an ant colony, but their logic usually will stem from observing professional gamers and influencers somehow making money and not understanding that such roles only make money current because of the nature of excess in capitalism.

Of course, normal people know that society could not function if that was how employment and roles were assigned, but this is the point! We are not dealing with normal people.
Kevvie Gibes is my main base for this kind of thinking, as the idiot does seem to think that tweeting and collecting transformers is somehow of benefit to society.
Even when livestock was literally dying in front of him all he could think about was getting new toys and better internet.

 

[Cheeseknife]

Even when livestock was literally dying in front of him all he could think about was getting new toys and better internet.

It's a spiritual homosexuality. The point of these peoples' lives has become to exponentially increase the pleasure they experience throughout their own lifetime at the cost of others, their children, and people who haven't even been born yet.

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

Without trying to derail into a discussion into theories as to why Communism appeals to these kids, it seems to me that the "ant colony" idea you describe could mesh well with Autists.

If you take the perspective that in such a society everyone will be placed where they best can benefit society, so to their logic, if they are amazing gamers, then surely the state will see that they serve society best by gaming all day.
This obviously is not exactly like an ant colony, but their logic usually will stem from observing professional gamers and influencers somehow making money and not understanding that such roles only make money current because of the nature of excess in capitalism.

Of course, normal people know that society could not function if that was how employment and roles were assigned, but this is the point! We are not dealing with normal people.
Kevvie Gibes is my main base for this kind of thinking, as the idiot does seem to think that tweeting and collecting transformers is somehow of benefit to society.
Even when livestock was literally dying in front of him all he could think about was getting new toys and better internet.

Honestly it's one and the same. You cant have one without the other due to how their minds work.

 

[Lil Yappy]

It has gotten to the point where I mostly play as a male characters now in games and keep silent about my sex in MMO games. Want to join an all female guild to avoid male attention? Sorry but it is filled with trannies who will flirt and creep on you the moment they learn you are a natal woman and you can't report them for harassment because the devs are also trannies who will defend their own. Want to join a female only gaming forum and spreg about video games? Sorry but it is infested with trannies who post fetish art and disgusting selfies of their transitions on the forum. As you said, it is all so tiresome.

I've been in women's health groups for things like endometriosis and PCOS and several of them have been derailed to the point that you can't mention the word "ladies" or that we are talking about female reproductive organs. All because some woman hates the fact that she is a woman.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

It's hilarious that they try to destroy binary sex when it's just a fact of most lifeforms on Earth

Fucking CORN is male and female. If you want to grow a crop of corn, you need daddy corn to pollinate mommy corn. Even hermaphroditic things like apple trees need male pollen to enter female flowers, meaning every APPLE has a mommy and daddy apple tree, so sex obviously isn't something you can change with hormones or mutilation!

And these are the same people who will call you "obsessed with genitals" if you point out practically all mammals have males with penises and females with vaginas. They'll tell you all about how "actually, the clitoris and ovaries start out as the same cells that make a penis and testicles, so who's to say what the difference is? Is there like, some exact line between a clitoris and penis? Where do you draw that line, and what about people right on the line, huh, huh?"

Meanwhile many many forms of life have males and females without penises or vaginas, but they're just gonna ignore all that.

 

[FinnSven]

It's hilarious that they try to destroy binary sex when it's just a fact of most lifeforms on Earth

Fucking CORN is male and female. If you want to grow a crop of corn, you need daddy corn to pollinate mommy corn. Even hermaphroditic things like apple trees need male pollen to enter female flowers, meaning every APPLE has a mommy and daddy apple tree, so sex obviously isn't something you can change with hormones or mutilation!

And these are the same people who will call you "obsessed with genitals" if you point out practically all mammals have males with penises and females with vaginas. They'll tell you all about how "actually, the clitoris and ovaries start out as the same cells that make a penis and testicles, so who's to say what the difference is? Is there like, some exact line between a clitoris and penis? Where do you draw that line, and what about people right on the line, huh, huh?"

Meanwhile many many forms of life have males and females without penises or vaginas, but they're just gonna ignore all that.

Some of them go further and seem to think that clownfish are evidence that sex change is possible in humans.

Tommy Tooter made the most lunatic claim of all however.
He seriously and repeatedly has claimed that his parents got him surgery to turn his ovaries into testicles.
It’s been found that he did indeed have surgery for an undescended testicle, but fucking hell.
A surgeon who could genuinely do this would be the most sought after and respected surgeon in the world.
But of course he did it just this once and no one else had any questions.

 

[Cyclonus]

Us transformer guys used to call ourselves transfans. We can no longer do that without people thinking we're into girldick.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Some of them go further and seem to think that clownfish are evidence that sex change is possible in humans.

If anything, clownfish/frogs/whateverelse is evidence AGAINST humans being able to transition because we just can't shed one set of genitals and grow another. It isn't natural for us any more than breathing under water or catching flies with our tongues, and we can't replicate it because it just isn't in our genes!

 

[BeetleBug242]

I thought of another reason. I think it’s because I understand how easily someone could have groomed me into trooning out. I would not describe myself growing up as masculine, nor feminine. So as you can imagine there are a lot of those little things that I have the hindsight to see as entry points for these sick freaks. All it could have taken was a bad time and a troon “helping me”.

I wasn’t and now I’ve been complemented on how confident I am in my masculinity. It’s frighting to think that all it takes is a little mix on some normal life shit and a troon to completely ruin a human before they can even understand or grasp any concepts of life.

It’s utterly evil what is happening to normal people going through rough times. I specify children and the youth. And knowing how bad online grooming is now it scares me to think how deep it all goes.

Spoiler: Evil horrors NSFW