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[Flan Handler]

The people responsible for setting things in motion in the 40s-50s are likely dead.

This has been something that I've long thought, and speculated about way near the beginning of the thread.

The people who implemented the stigma response might have been doing so with reasonable intentions. They understood at the time that humans couldn't directly control or even mostly confront this phenomenon, so why get people worked up?

I don't think anyone thought it would be so strong that this societal "immune response" would still be going hard almost a century later. Now, we might need to face it head on for reasons that aren't clear yet, but we need to unwind this societal aversion to even looking at the issue.

One thing that upsets me is the similarities between how child abusers and the government/phenomenon interact with humans that they have power over. A lot of times the victims of horrible childhood abuse end up not taken seriously when they try to tell their stories because they are broken, crazy addicts who can't even communicate what's been done to them. It's just a weird connection I came up with when reading some of Gabor Mate's work on attachment and addiction.

We're brushing up against it with Grusch's allusions to murder being done in the name of these secrets, and those are the things people will want to hear about the least but may be the most important.

 

[CoolFool]

Some smooth brains are going to be mad at his "I can't say in this setting" answers, but those were potentially revealing on their own. "Has the government made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials? THAT'S CLASSIFIED, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT IN A CLOSED SESSION."

That's how I take it. If they can't answer "no" to "Have you made contact with aliens?" then I take this non-answer as a yes.

We're brushing up against it with Grusch's allusions to murder being done in the name of these secrets, and those are the things people will want to hear about the least but may be the most important.

Agreed. I think about the people who had their reputations destroyed after coming out and saying they saw something or something happened to them/their farm/etc. If What Grusch is saying is true then there's lots of innocent victims our government fucked over.

 

[Fcret]

• Aliens may be able to crush us, but haven't aside from a handful of casualties, and now we have some of their technology? Is there a "red line" we can't cross or are they depositing gifts?

I mean, from a civilization that's capable of crossing interstellar space, what does attacking Earth get you? Nothing on this planet is particularly rare even in our solar system. You could basically find any material present on Earth somewhere else in the solar system and that place would not be populated by apes with nuclear weapons.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's been zero formal contact between Earth govts and aliens, especially if the one supposed ones that have crashed here are just like random stragglers and not particularly important.

 

[Hyperbola]

The people who implemented the stigma response might have been doing so with reasonable intentions.

That's the thing though, nothing about trying to cover something like this up makes any damn sense. (Nothing about having the *ability* to cover something up like this for 70 years, across generations, and nations, makes any damn sense.)

In the weird X-com/X-files universe where aliens are visiting earth, hiding that from all your scientists and engineers is screaming-at-the-sky-for-your-Darwin-award stupid. For what? So you can go on a multi-generational ego trip around classification-checking and telling people they have no need to know?

And manhattan project excuses don't cut it. During the actual manhattan project, the very Ur-origin of security-state-paranoia and the "secret-world" genre, all of the actual physics discoveries and insights happened outside and before that brief cramped weird little world. Scientists entered with the knowledge to do the job, and then left, taking tons of info with them to invent instruments and power reactors, and all sorts of other things based on the physics. Only the actual bomb blueprints themselves were kept under wraps (and then. not very well.)

 

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

I've got some time to watch this in the afternoon, so Grusch didn't back down or avoid any of his claims and it was taken seriously? Consider my interest peaked in that case. Next few years are going to get really fuckin' weird.

 

[GloriousRapeRabbit]

I've got some time to watch this in the afternoon, so Grusch didn't back down or avoid any of his claims and it was taken seriously? Consider my interest peaked in that case. Next few years are going to get really fuckin' weird.

Correct. It seemed to be considered seriously throughout all parts, both witnesses and kongress.
Grusch is however the weakest link in all this...he REALLY seems to enjoy the attention a little bit too much. Its a red flag for me atleast.

But yea....this is very interesting and it definitely feels like there is a lot to it. We will have to wait for congress to check out the classified information Grusch is handing over...thats when i will definitely start to believe something is up.

 

[Flan Handler]

Grusch is however the weakest link in all this...he REALLY seems to enjoy the attention a little bit too much. Its a red flag for me atleast.

I have to admit, I'd be a little smug if I withstood all the threats and bureaucratic bullshit punishment and got to testify under oath anyways.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

I watched the entire thing and it was well worth it, ofc no new actual evidence was presented but I am hoping as this is the beginning of figuring out just what the fuck these things are and what our government has been doing in secret for so long now.

That being said, I also am left with a very uneasy feeling that once/if we find out what's been going on and what these are, its going to be a very bizarre and terrifying realization for humanity.

personally i am waiting for pictures of whatevers been captured or taken in from the crash sites. i dont really get why they would keep this stuff secret for so long. it just gives off the same vibes as those overly religious people who will lose their minds if you or anyone else does anything considered sinful but they themselves do whatever they want.

it makes me think that the odds are we have yet to actually encounter a living alien and the only reason things are being kept as secret as they are is because they are afraid of whats gonna happen to them if/when that aliens friends find out what we did to it.

in my opinion the best we can hope for as far as aliens are concerned is that they are not retarded and dont consider the actions of one group of people as the default opinion. we should be allowed to judge for ourselves.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

That's the thing though, nothing about trying to cover something like this up makes any damn sense. (Nothing about having the *ability* to cover something up like this for 70 years, across generations, and nations, makes any damn sense.)

In the weird X-com/X-files universe where aliens are visiting earth, hiding that from all your scientists and engineers is screaming-at-the-sky-for-your-Darwin-award stupid. For what? So you can go on a multi-generational ego trip around classification-checking and telling people they have no need to know?

And manhattan project excuses don't cut it. During the actual manhattan project, the very Ur-origin of security-state-paranoia and the "secret-world" genre, all of the actual physics discoveries and insights happened outside and before that brief cramped weird little world. Scientists entered with the knowledge to do the job, and then left, taking tons of info with them to invent instruments and power reactors, and all sorts of other things based on the physics. Only the actual bomb blueprints themselves were kept under wraps (and then. not very well.)

The coverup was flimsy from the start. The stigma surrounding the topic, as a result of disinformation or simple fear of the unknown, has filled in the gaps. Generational inertia from the Cold War kept things secret and undisclosed, but national security concerns are arguably genuine even in 2023 since technologies derived from alien spacecraft could upset the balance of power in the world. Travel to another star system? Nah, make a nuke appear wherever you want, undetected until it's too late.

Some nations are aligned with each other and even sharing the craft, like the Five Eyes. Other nations don't have the resources to deal with it (No Wakanda for you!) and can be pushed around by the major powers. But I agree this is a weak point.

It has been stupid. It's been claimed that the reverse engineering efforts haven't gone all that well, frustrating insiders who want change. You could imagine it was going at a glacial pace 50+ years ago when our technologies were less advanced. The number of people involved is much smaller than the Manhattan Project, and I bet reverse engineering alien spacecraft is a much harder challenge than engineering the atomic bombs. The craft may also harm nearby humans during their normal operation.

Alien life visiting Earth could be the biggest yet worst-kept "secret" of all time, but it's so big that people are in denial about it, or they can't do anything about it. A believer isn't capable of storming the secret bases to get the hard evidence, or sorting the leaked facts from planted fictions. Most of them get on with their lives and the decades pass. I glanced at this stuff in the mid-2000s but there was no reason to care until 2017, or 2023.

Grusch is however the weakest link in all this...he REALLY seems to enjoy the attention a little bit too much. Its a red flag for me atleast.

I heard he has the literal autism.

 

[LiveFromNS]

Yes, Mr. Grusch is on the spectrum. But he performed magnificently. That hearing was pure fire, exceeded my expectations greatly. Today was a huge day, more will be coming. The amount of excellent questions that was asked was mind boggling. We pretty much got everything we could have hoped for.

I highly recommend everyone watch the Hearing (replay link below). And listen intently to what was asked, what was answered. And most importantly what was NOT answered. If you remain unconvinced, well I don't know what to tell you tbh. Remember each of these 3 witnesses said what they said under oath, facing penalty of perjury and prison time for lying. Yes, there can be an argument people were lying to Mr. Grusch, but I think not.

It really is hard to believe that Mr. Grusch, who served in military, held high military positions in intelligence, was trusted enough to have the highest clearances, and is married, suffers same "disorder" as Chris Chan. They don't call it a spectrum for nothing!

 

[ulsterscotsman]

On one hand the idea of the existence of intelligent aliens would cause me some anxiety, but on the other hand seeing the hardcore UFO and Alien skeptics eating crow would be glorious.

 

[Miller]

personally i am waiting for pictures of whatevers been captured or taken in from the crash sites. i dont really get why they would keep this stuff secret for so long. it just gives off the same vibes as those overly religious people who will lose their minds if you or anyone else does anything considered sinful but they themselves do whatever they want.

it makes me think that the odds are we have yet to actually encounter a living alien and the only reason things are being kept as secret as they are is because they are afraid of whats gonna happen to them if/when that aliens friends find out what we did to it.

in my opinion the best we can hope for as far as aliens are concerned is that they are not retarded and dont consider the actions of one group of people as the default opinion. we should be allowed to judge for ourselves.

If it turns out that yes, extraterestrial lifeforms exist and have visited Earth for a long time (if not forever), this could make or break our civilization at every level including the major religions (sure, not everybody is religious but that's not the point, for a lot of people they're the basis of their whole existence).
Once everybody knows about the UFOs and non-human beings exist, where will Humanity go from here? It's going to be interesting that's for sure.

 

[Hyperbola]

Americans may not have invented sci-fi, but we're probably responsible for most of it by volume. Treating us like we're too fragile to handle it (if true - I'll personally be skeptical until these defense-dweeb lickspittles cough up the goods) is another bit of supreme condescension. These hypothetical government assholes wouldn't even have the mental tools to process something like aliens if it weren't for the imaginations of free technological civilization.

The framing is exactly backwards.

 

[CoolFool]

I'm catching up on the live stream archive, listened to most of it so far, but just wanted to pause to chime in that it's really good. Everyone (except that hag Ms. Foxx) was taking this seriously and asking great questions. Even AOC, who I strongly dislike, asked good questions and you could tell she was taking it very seriously. I expected this to go over poorly with lots of dismissive questions. For me this means that the stigma around UFOs/UAPs will continue to lessen and future reports won't be easily dismissed. It's a first big step.

One thing that shocked me was when Grusch said that people have been killed to keep this covered up, and that people have been hurt by UAPs/non-humans. I just expected him to say "I can discuss it in private" like most of his responses, but no, he said plainly. He also called out what's-his-name (starts with a K) and said he was lying about there being no evidence of aliens. Again, did not expect that. There's other stuff I want to say but my mind is racing and I'm too excited.

Of course I don't see much from the news, and what I do see, it's dismissive. Twatter is dismissive too. But that's okay, can't expect the stigma to die overnight, and I don't blame people for thinking it's a distraction made by our shitty government to hide the fact that our economy is imploding.

 

[Linako 2.0]

I played enough Drowned God to know where this is going if this is even real and not a coverup for politicians doing gay shit.
They are coming for they are legion.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

I have some questions. Were these answered before?

1. Is there a intergalactic allegiance or something?
2. Have they contacted us yet?
3. Do UFOs land outside of USA?
4. Does the US govt make active effort to retrieve craft from other continents?
5. Do other govts have these crafts?
6. If the crashes are so common that they happened 1000s of times in the past 50, just how common are aliens?

 

[Fcret]

I played enough Drowned God to know where this is going if this is even real and not a coverup for politicians doing gay shit.
They are coming for they are legion.

We're already on our way to the Kether ending.

 

[Miller]

Americans may not have invented sci-fi, but we're probably responsible for most of it by volume. Treating us like we're too fragile to handle it (if true - I'll personally be skeptical until these defense-dweeb lickspittles cough up the goods) is another bit of supreme condescension. These hypothetical government assholes wouldn't even have the mental tools to process something like aliens if it weren't for the imaginations of free technological civilization.

The framing is exactly backwards.

I don't think they do it because they think that we're not ready yet but because they want to keep the power over the masses as long as they can.
Once the truth comes out, what will happen? Will we keep our current politics and philosophies? The balance of power will shift. Who will represent us at the galactic scale (if there's such a group for example)? I think that's when things will get ugly.

 

[axeltrite]

It would be cool to see human space travel outside of our solar system within our lifetimes; let's hope the aliens are benevolent. Side note, I wonder if this has anything to do with our dear Chandler's dimensional merge.

 

[Hyperbola]

One other bit of speculation from me:

In the conditional branch where we are being visited by aliens:

Even if we never talk to them, merely knowing for sure that they exist and that they have vehicles capable of casual interplanetary/interstellar spaceflight already completely alters the material priorities of our civilization.

Suddenly we know (as opposed to merely hope) that there is a techno-fix for basically all the Malthusian limits and resource constraints we currently worry about. Casual spaceflight, (and the implied availability of energy to do things like that), means that as soon as we could figure out the tricks, we'd have all the matter and energy we could possibly want. Things like pollution or energy starvation become a nonissue - any possible Earthly expenditure is a speedbump compared to zipping in and out of our gravity wells without a care, or accelerating to/from near-lightspeed. (Why ideas about aliens coveting our *matter* are unlikely.)

(reason # aleph-null + 1 why pulling some kind of men-in-black-coverup is galactically stupid.)