Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
Perhaps you shouldn't. Cherish your spouse's memory in that case, and hope you got friends to hang out with and aren't loney.
My partner is very much well and alive it was a hypothetical we both discussing, we are getting married soon we've been together for 15 years figured now is a good time as any.

I was talking to this girl not too long ago, seemed to hit it off nicely initially. Couple days later during regular chats, she mentions she had an Onlyfans where her explicit images were posted and said the reason was because "she was in a bad place." No modesty at all these days.

I think this is really what the core problem is women aren't ladies anymore. I'm not even that old but fuck i find it disgusting women spreading their pussies and being digital prostitutes. If there were more modern ladies you'd find this less of an issue.
 
The economy is too bad for dating. Especially with "high standards."
No it isn't. I took a girl out a few weeks back and we just drove around all night talking. We walked around a cemetery making fun of the silly names on some of the tombstones then later we stopped at a park and sat on a bench to look at the stars. Only cost me a half tank of gas and now we're going steady.
Stop making excuses.
 
As a women all I have ever wanted has been a stable man who shares similar ideas, who I can have interesting conversation with and not have him get triggered because of his own resentment over a woman being smart. A man who will kill bugs and rodents, will protect me if I need it. My rule of thumb is if the thought of spending 2 days alone with a particular dude makes you want to commit seppuku then probably not a good idea to pursue it. Good sex is always a bonus.

I've never once had a smart woman trigger me. I would fight Satan with a salad fork for an actually smart woman's company. It also turns out truly smart women tend to be happy and not looking for long, if they are at all. Alas, that ship sailed in college.

Are you sure you don't just mean opinionated here? I've met lots of people like that!
 
I agree with the first half, IMO sex is an expression of intimacy and it's the glue that holds a relationship together. it's what differentiates a platonic relationship from a romantic one.

But do you really think sex is how men get attached to women? How do you explain men who have sex with a woman, then experience "post nut clarity" and realize they're no longer interested in her (i.e. the classic pump & dump) ? Or men who enter "situationships" or "friends with benefits" relationships with women, where they can have sex with the same woman for an extended period of time, but never feel the need to commit to her emotionally?

In my experience, you get a man to care about you by first establishing an emotional connection and earning his respect through good conversations and showing your character over time etc. then the sex just strengthens that relationship.

Depends on the person. Some require emotional intimacy for sex, some think of sex as a recreational activity. I've dated both types of girls. One I was dating for two weeks before she felt comfortable to say it's time to try it. Another girl jumped on me as soon as I came over to her house.
 
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In golden days of yore you would marry a peasant girl you knew your whole life and was a neighbor.

Nowadays dudes say that she’s made her mind up whether or not she’ll ever fuck you in ten minutes (I doubt that one myself).
It's not 10 minutes it's about 90 seconds. These days if you look like the picture she swiped right on and can speak a language she understands she'll make the decision extremely fast.
Women still cannot demonstrate any agency with choosing what to eat what so ever beyond not liking what you choose for them. This confuses me given how fat many of them are.

"The furry little shits (pets, not literal furries, fuck you internet for me having to specify this) and I are a package deal!" is a really shitty deal, sweetie, that's why nobody's taken it yet. Same with someone else's kids I don't want to put up with.

I should have married young in my 20s and focused on having kids and establishing a family, not this shitlibglobohomo hedonism treadmill where nobody's happy and always wants more until they realize the clock's ran out, their eggs are about to dry up, but they're entitled to the best chair available before the music stops even though they gave up on themselves a decade ago. Who the fuck are you to demand this much? Life isn't just a graceful on ramp to everything you want while you judge others for not having the "right opinions" you thoughtlessly bleat and repeat, but if so many people expect it it seems to come true through being enabled.

Meanwhile I have a challenging job, take care of myself, cultivate myself, and find myself wishing the long term relationship I had in my 20s had lasted so I could have had someone who aged like wine instead of the sour milk market everything seems to be. Instead my LTR turned into a hedonist degenerate who cheated on me and I had to move on. Fucking hell.

The only good dating to be had is to swoop on someone in their 20s who isn't yet ruined by their exes, or unrealistic expectations and the hedonism treadmill. Looks like I have to go to church in a red state.

Ninja Edit: The cherry on top? Nobody can carry a conversation anymore. Christ. I'm not Netflix.
Yeah, so many people can't TALK anymore. I mean say more than Hello, BYE, and the most basic of small talk.

It's also fun when they whip out the phone to get on IG or TikTok while at dinner.... And you're across the table.

The annoying furry neurotic crusty dog is a meme for young and single women at this point. If it's not cats it's a nervous fluffy dog that smells because it's fur is matted and the owner can't smell it anymore.

As for obesity, they don't chose one meal they decided to have three for four meals per sitting.

I also should have asked a certain ex to marry me before she ended things on an abrupt note..... She still probably would have said no but at least I'd have asked.
 
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Yeah, so many people can't TALK anymore. I mean say more than Hello, BYE, and the most basic of small talk.
I can't believe how legitimately autistic every Zoomer I encounter is. I'm about as far from a social butterfly as it gets, but I've learned how to fake it over the years - I put on a big, dumb, happy public persona to grease the wheels of social interaction.

Young people don't have that these days. When they're working at a store or restaurant nominally acting a PROFESSIONAL capacity, they seem reticent to talk at all and mumble quietly when they do. Forget about any kind of polite small talk - I can't even get a "you too" when I tell them to have a good day. It's genuinely frightening to imagine how these kids function in the world.
 
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The last time a woman went past half way to carry a conversation with me it was the wife half of a swinging couple. I was at a race track for a club type thing in a prior life, between heats. Fucking hell.

Whatever, man. Fucking lame that someone has to be THAT well off (racing cars around tracks, not just drag racing, is $$$$$$++, they've got their retirement already put away) to know how to hold a conversation but c'est la vie.
 
I'm definitely sure "smart woman" just means they went to college and came out a loyal leftist.

All the smart girls I met were extremely knowledgable on a variety of topics. Some of them read books from the 1800's regularly. But trying to have a hypothetical debate would incense them. It's like they couldn't handle even the hypothetical of something negative to their worldview happening.
 
It astounds me how people look at me like I'm nuts when I tell them how much of my own work I do on my car and house. Growing up in a rural area it's not like you can get a plumber at 2AM when a pipe breaks, and you're certainly not going to call one when a faucet is a little drippy.
This is Clownworld, where people can't even change a wheel on their car if they get a flat tyre. They'd rather waste 2 hours of their life waiting to be rescued by roadside assistance than spend 10 minutes learning how to taking off a flat and put on a spare.
Of course none of these skills translate to success with women.
The opposite is true in some places. In Australia, tradies get more pussy than most animal shelters.
 
My rule of thumb is if the thought of spending 2 days alone with a particular dude makes you want to commit seppuku then probably not a good idea to pursue it
It's funny you have that Rule of Thumb..mine is

"If a woman can talk for 5 minutes straight and not say anything interesting she is an instant no forever"

It's amazing how many females are incapable of this challenge.
 
I've never once had a smart woman trigger me. I would fight Satan with a salad fork for an actually smart woman's company.
I don’t understand it either. He has very narrow interests and I have very wide ones. I can have a conversation about NFL and politics, philosophy and music. Like whatever I just learning and discussing I guess.
Are you sure you don't just mean opinionated here? I've met lots of people like that!
Well if you mean opinionated in ‘no that idea is stupid it will never work’ to me witnessing him using my idea successfully and passing it off as his own when his friends say ‘hey that was a great idea’ then I guess so lol

Maybe i should have been born a dude

A TRUE AND HONEST TROON

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I agree with you. Many women have nothing interesting to say on a week, let alone 5 minutes. They are usually very materialistic and shallow.
 
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All the smart girls I met were extremely knowledgable on a variety of topics. Some of them read books from the 1800's regularly. But trying to have a hypothetical debate would incense them. It's like they couldn't handle even the hypothetical of something negative to their worldview happening.
That happens with all women regardless of intelligence.

The few highly intelligent women I've encountered are usually competitive and will try to up show men around them until they get beaten then they get angry or avoidant, or petty over being up shown in a debate. I hate to say I prefer "dumb" girls but many of them don't turn a simple conversation into a power grasp, or pissing contest on who understands a subject more, and either look down on you if they win or you wish to not fight because it's not fun or get mad and vindictive over failing to achieve a personal victory or slight against the men they argue. *This is true for less intelligent women as well, but at least they respect their boundaries and gap when being confrontation at least from my experience: Outside chimp outs.
 
I don’t understand it either. He has very narrow interests and I have very wide ones. I can have a conversation about NFL and politics, philosophy and music. Like whatever I just learning and discussing I guess.

Well if you mean opinionated in ‘no that idea is stupid it will never work’ to me witnessing him using my idea successfully and passing it off as his own when his friends say ‘hey that was a great idea’ then I guess so lol

Maybe i should have been born a dude

A TRUE AND HONEST TROON

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I agree with you. Many women have nothing interesting to say on a week, let alone 5 minutes. They are usually very materialistic and shallow.
That happens with all women regardless of intelligence.

The few highly intelligent women I've encountered are usually competitive and will try to up show men around them until they get beaten then they get angry or avoidant, or petty over being up shown in a debate. I hate to say I prefer "dumb" girls but many of them don't turn a simple conversation into a power grasp, or pissing contest on who understands a subject more, and either look down on you if they win or you wish to not fight because it's not fun or get mad and vindictive over failing to achieve a personal victory or slight against the men they argue. *This is true for less intelligent women as well, but at least they respect their boundaries and gap when being confrontation at least from my experience: Outside chimp outs.


I can't help but wonder if this is just "the battle of the sexes part 46069." Almost everything is about power, as that old aphorism states. Or was it everything is about sex, except sex, which is about power. Hey, we're discussing dating!

People needing to 'front', to put up bullshit based on sex role, to overcompensate due to prior reality or prior bullshit or a prior feminist's writings or their last date pissed them off so they're huffy with the next one, or whatever, really does explain a lot of this shit, doesn't it? "I, a man/woman, can't be treated like that or be seen treated like that by a woman/man," and so on. Endlessly repeating the endless cycle of reprisal centered around sex-based bullshit expectations!

Imagine if we could be adults and just not do that? Imagine if the whole point of teh genderz was to stop this shit instead of doubling tripling down because of ETII.


 
I don’t understand it either. He has very narrow interests and I have very wide ones. I can have a conversation about NFL and politics, philosophy and music. Like whatever I just learning and discussing I guess.

Well if you mean opinionated in ‘no that idea is stupid it will never work’ to me witnessing him using my idea successfully and passing it off as his own when his friends say ‘hey that was a great idea’ then I guess so lol

Maybe i should have been born a dude

A TRUE AND HONEST TROON

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I agree with you. Many women have nothing interesting to say on a week, let alone 5 minutes. They are usually very materialistic and shallow.
I think its definitely just a cultural thing for older men. My grandfather was the same way with my grandma. My dad is the same way with my mom, although to a lesser extent. I would kill, perhaps many times over, to meet a single woman who I could consider my intellectual peer. The only ones I've met in person are 10-15 years older and already in committed relationships. Its not like I'm some super genius either. I'm just not a total slobbering retard.
 
No it isn't. I took a girl out a few weeks back and we just drove around all night talking. We walked around a cemetery making fun of the silly names on some of the tombstones then later we stopped at a park and sat on a bench to look at the stars. Only cost me a half tank of gas and now we're going steady.
Stop making excuses.
Your girl will appreciate the bonding dates if she's really into you, back when i was a kid i took the girl i liked to the park because i had no idea where would be a good place to spend on her. We walked around, talked, and talked, and talked some more, after that i took her back home feeling like shit cause i thought she thought i was a poor cheapskate

Couple of days later we see each other at school again and tells me she's like to go out again. "We could go to the park again, it was nice"

Man... That was indeed a nice feeling now.
 
I can't help but wonder if this is just "the battle of the sexes part 46069." Almost everything is about power, as that old aphorism states. Or was it everything is about sex, except sex, which is about power. Hey, we're discussing dating!

People needing to 'front', to put up bullshit based on sex role, to overcompensate due to prior reality or prior bullshit or a prior feminist's writings or their last date pissed them off so they're huffy with the next one, or whatever, really does explain a lot of this shit, doesn't it? "I, a man/woman, can't be treated like that or be seen treated like that by a woman/man," and so on. Endlessly repeating the endless cycle of reprisal centered around sex-based bullshit expectations!

Imagine if we could be adults and just not do that? Imagine if the whole point of teh genderz was to stop this shit instead of doubling tripling down because of ETII.
I don't even think it's that. Women in general have this large chip or inferiority complex often most older women not so much but those who watch LMN ESPECIALLY seem to have it. You'll also see it in schools where female teachers will push "women are smarter than men." over and over again and although it might be partial battle of the sexes its far worse than that because the teachers aren't often out to fuck their male students (ok some are) but the downing their grades intentionally because they aren't girls is something women have adopted and far more sinister.

In a sense men fight back against this because it's not just a battle of sexes but a force of demoralization and to make men feel unwanted. It has little to do with being adults or not, women re using a force of vindictiveness whether from other women, or some ideology they've adopted or what have you and weaponizing it against men. When small girl does it, I'll admit I've laughed thinking it's cute and funny and trying to "beat the boys." When grown women are doing it and economically ruining men, relationships, society and even the future of humanity... Well that's when I started to realize how far this shit has gone. It's not just a petty squabble, or a vindictive turnabout.

The women who don't do this whether highly intelligent or not are very obvious in their demeanor while the rest who do (even those who have been treated well) are quite a large number and when they are literally weaponizing their sex well men will adopt and beat them at it.
 
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