Disaster Family Who Died Trying to Live 'Off the Grid' Told Loved Ones About Their Plan: 'We Tried to Stop Them' - Before leaving, they "watched some YouTube videos" about "how to live off the grid," a family member said

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A family member of two sisters and a teen whose bodies were discovered "fairly mummified" in a remote Colorado campsite earlier this month said their deaths should serve as a warning: living in the wilderness without proper experience can be deadly.

On Tuesday, the Gunnison County Coroner's Office identified the individuals as Rebecca Vance, 42, Christine Vance, 41, as well as Rebecca’s 14-year-old son, according to a statement obtained by PEOPLE.

Trevala Jara, Rebecca and Christine's stepsister, told The Washington Post that the decision to "live off the grid" was made as Rebecca's fears about the world intensified.

"She didn’t like the way the world was going, and she thought it would be better if her and her son and Christine were alone, away from everybody," Jara, 39, told the newspaper. "She didn’t want the influences of the world to get to them. She really thought she was protecting her family."

Although Christine wasn't always planning on going, Jara told The New York Times she decided to come along "because she thought that if she was with them, they had a better chance of surviving."

“We tried to stop them. But they wouldn’t listen," she said while speaking with The Washington Post.

Not knowing where they planned on going, Jara told The Los Angeles Times that she asked Christine to send postcards to let her know they were safe, but the postcards never came.

Gunnison County Coroner Michael Barnes told The Colorado Sun that he believed that possibly malnutrition and "exposure to the elements" through a harsh winter last year contributed to their deaths, though current analyses on their cause of death are still pending.

The autopsy reports are still incomplete, and the office is awaiting a toxicology report, per The Los Angeles Times. Barnes also expressed concern about carbon monoxide poisoning, citing evidence that the family attempted to stay warm by burning materials, including vegetation in soup cans, inside their tent.

"At this point it appears that these three individuals began long term camping at the location near Gold Creek Campground in (approximately) mid-late July last Summer 2022 and attempted to stay through the winter," he told The Colorado Sun and CNN. He did not say when he believed they possibly could have died.

A hiker discovered one of the "heavily decomposed" bodies about 1,000 feet from a site near the Gold Creek Campground around 4:57 p.m. on June 9, according to the sheriff’s office. The bodies were discovered in a dark patch of timber, Gunnison County Sheriff Adam Murdie told The Colorado Sun.

The Gunnison County Sheriff’s Office went on to note that investigators “located the campsite and discovered two additional heavily decomposed deceased individuals within the campsite.”

Speaking with The New York Times, Jara said that Rebecca had "good intentions," but she was plagued with fears, which worsened during the pandemic.

"The fear overwhelmed her, most definitely," Jara told The Washington Post. "I did feel a shift in her."

Before they left, Jara told The Washington Post that the family "watched some YouTube videos" about "how to live off the grid" but had "no experience."

“YouTube and the internet is not enough,” Jara added while speaking with The Los Angeles Times.

She went on to tell the newspaper that she and her husband even tried to persuade them to use their RV and generator in the mountains as a test run. The idea appealed to Christine but not to Rebecca, who was certain they could "live on their own," Jara told the newspaper.

"[Rebecca] really thought she was saving her son and Christine by living by themselves and being off the grid," Jara added. "I really did not think it was going to get this far."

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If you decide to live like a hunter-gatherer then you're going to die like a hunter-gatherer, even if you have the necessary skills to live like that in the first place. If you want to live "off-the-grid" you need to essentially build your own grid in the form of a farm. Anything else is grade A LARP that gets retards killed the second it gets cold and they run out of whatever canned food they brought.
 
The accounts from the people he last interacted with paint that kind of picture.
I think he could have decompensated near the end of his life which accounts for his poor choices, because he had been traveling for a fairly lengthy period in areas almost as desolate. He had definitely done crazy things like abandon his car.
 
so they wanna be like "i tried to stop them" yeah ok.
but no call to police to get the kids or detain mom for taking her kids to a tent in the middle of winter?
sounds like a lot of people knew about this going on before anyone died. just saying.

she took her kids to a place with no house in the middle of winter in colorado.
she clearly was not a survivalist and just afraid with kids and it doesn't sound like the father is around to have taken the kids out of the problem.

whoever knew should be in trouble for knowing about it and not calling police.
no one sane would do this, there were kids, but mopesy the friend is all "i tried to stop them" yeah ok buddy.
no one called police to help.

no one helped. isn't it crazy how much NO ONE helps?
people fear calling police because they're dirty and have shit to hide so suddenly no one is calling the police?
that's a lot of dirty mother fuckers then, i didn't know so many people just see life for the thrills and ditch when someone starts choking.
it's like when two stupid friends start having one get hurt and their like "lawl wat r u doing???" instead of understanding something is wrong.

friends sitting at home nice and warm are all like "we told her not to" and waited for them to die.
this is people KNOWING someone and their kids might die and then acting like they REALLY couldn't call the police for this shit.
the people who knew should face charges.
 
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I remember another family that tried to live off the grid - most of this family was killed, although not by nature.

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It seems that living seperately is dangerous for one's health - whether that be from nature itself or from bureaucracies.

People must stick together if they are to survive - don't go off on your own, it's too dangerous.
The whole flashpoint was due to one of the least recorded instances of police violence...killing dogs.
 
so they wanna be like "i tried to stop them" yeah ok.
but no call to police to get the kids or detain mom for taking her kids to a tent in the middle of winter?
sounds like a lot of people knew about this going on before anyone died. just saying.

she took her kids to a place with no house in the middle of winter in colorado.
she clearly was not a survivalist and just afraid with kids and it doesn't sound like the father is around to have taken the kids out of the problem.

whoever knew should be in trouble for knowing about it and not calling police.
no one sane would do this, there were kids, but mopesy the friend is all "i tried to stop them" yeah ok buddy.
no one called police to help.

no one helped. isn't it crazy how much NO ONE helps?
people fear calling police because they're dirty and have shit to hide so suddenly no one is calling the police?
that's a lot of dirty mother fuckers then, i didn't know so many people just see life for the thrills and ditch when someone starts choking.
it's like when two stupid friends start having one get hurt and their like "lawl wat r u doing???" instead of understanding something is wrong.

friends sitting at home nice and warm are all like "we told her not to" and waited for them to die.
this is people KNOWING someone and their kids might die and then acting like they REALLY couldn't call the police for this shit.
the people who knew should face charges.

It was a lesbian couple and one kid, for a start.

Secondly, you seem to be misunderstanding parental rights and freedom in (most of) America. If you are not putting a child in immediate and obvious physical danger, the authorities will not do anything. Do you think they go in with sirens blaring whenever someone takes their kid camping or ice fishing in winter? In this case it had negative consequences, but that's what happens when you live in a society where people are allowed to make choices.

Probably the only thing a bystander could have done was called the police and told them that the mother was not respecting the child's gender, and even that would only have worked on the West Coast.
 
People don't even really have to care about poisonious animals or plants here or about bears and wolves. Boars maybe, yes, but even they are rare and usually stay away from humans.
On the other hand even the most civilized parts of the USA have plenty of wild animals. When I lived in SoCal about once a year or so the local paper would have a story about a hiker in Peters Canyon getting mauled by a bobcat. And this was in a completely artificial park surrounded by suburbia.
 
I've noticed a trend where modern lefties who try to go "live off the grid", get back to nature, or found a commune usually end up living in dirty substandard conditions at best, frequently starving and living in the filth and cold. They ALWAYS completely underestimate the amount of nonstop physical labor it takes to provide enough food, clean water, and safe heated shelter with waste disposal.
 
I've noticed a trend where modern lefties who try to go "live off the grid", get back to nature, or found a commune usually end up living in dirty substandard conditions at best, frequently starving and living in the filth and cold.
The few that "succeeded" were often outright cults that enslaved lesser members. The very few that actually succeeded, like the Amana Society, literally ended up turning into businesses instead of utopian counter societies.
 
I've noticed a trend where modern lefties who try to go "live off the grid", get back to nature, or found a commune usually end up living in dirty substandard conditions at best, frequently starving and living in the filth and cold. They ALWAYS completely underestimate the amount of nonstop physical labor it takes to provide enough food, clean water, and safe heated shelter with waste disposal.
Honestly it's disturbing how out of touch they are. They see the homeless camps flooding their cities and think that they can just do the same thing in the middle of Bumfuck-Nowhere, Nebraska. And these are just the ones who get it in their head to try.
 
Wow, those poor, stupid city slickers. If they were trying to winter anywhere north of Georgia in a tent, they were fucked from the start. There are tents rated for four-season use, and there are some solid sleeping bags to preserve heat, but, important detail, you don't live in the tent. Tents are for sleeping. It's intended that you have a camp built out with some degree of shelter and proper clothes and gear for the season. If you want to go out in the middle of fucking nowhere and live year-round, build a house. A cabin. A shack, even. Something with solid walls and a roof. If they'd bought one of those shitty $4000 home depot prefab shacks that idiots are trying to make into houses, they'd probably still be alive, because even a shitty shack is better than a half-millimeter of nylon tent fabric between you and winter.
 
no one helped. isn't it crazy how much NO ONE helps?
friends sitting at home nice and warm are all like "we told her not to" and waited for them to die.
this is people KNOWING someone and their kids might die and then acting like they REALLY couldn't call the police for this shit.
They were never in any danger. They were on a camping site (not in the middle of the Amazon forest), at a walking distance from their vehicle with engine heat. No danger whatsoever.
They just did something stupid and died from their own actions. It has nothing to do from the wilderness.

People die from the exact same reason in city apartments too. It's human-error.

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El Comandante has been living semi-off grid for around a year. Right now I'm off the Fort and back at the Bunker because the generator that runs my AC fucking died and I don't have the money rn to buy another, and despite my best efforts at insulating the cabin it still gets fucking hot inside. And we're talking the southern edge of the PNW too. I remember last winter waking up and seeing the fucking INSIDE of the lock on my door iced over with frost. I had a kerosene heater, fortunately. And a dwelling more substantial than a tent from Wally Werld.

If you try to winter out in the Colorado wilderness in a fucking Wally Werld tent, you are fucking dead. Period. As noted by a metric fuckton of fellow kiwis on this thread, city slickers go into the wild all the time with crazy ideas of living off the land and having learned from youtube. They are either rescued by helicopter or their rotting corpses are found by a hunter the following summer. I'm not gonna launch into a giant McCandless spergspree because that was an admittedly unique situation.
 
On the other hand even the most civilized parts of the USA have plenty of wild animals. When I lived in SoCal about once a year or so the local paper would have a story about a hiker in Peters Canyon getting mauled by a bobcat. And this was in a completely artificial park surrounded by suburbia.

We did a good job of killing off and nearly extincting every sort of wild animal that could be a danger.

It's literally everytime huge national news when e.g. a bear get's spotted and our politicians are quick with demanding to just shoot it. Like this fellow.

Wolves exist but they are very rare too. And if they don't stay away from villages/cities they get shoot too. Or even decapicated by some angry farmer like this year in April (news article in German language).
Estimations are that we have around 1500 wolves left in whole Germany. And most of them are spotted in either Eastern Germany in the regions to Poland & Co. or in the Southern in the regions to Switzerland and Austria.

Last week they started a huge manhunt bc a video showed up in the internet allegedly showing a lion roaming free. Turned out it was just a boar. They analyzed animal shit to learn what kind of animal it was.
But boars usually stay away from humans. Only incidents happen when the get little boars and protect them and a hiker doesn't know to stay the fuck away from a mother and father boar protecting their kids. But even these sort of incidents can be counted with both hands each year.
But for some weird reason boars can be spotted in Berlin sometimes. Like Berlin has a couple of normal parks and they aren't that huge but somehow noone can figure out where the boars hide.

The most regular wild animal you will meet are foxes or raccons.

It's more likely that you get stabbed by a sandnigger yelling Alahu akbar than seeing any wild animal that could kill you.
 
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