Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
As a women all I have ever wanted has been a stable man who shares similar ideas, who I can have interesting conversation with and not have him get triggered because of his own resentment over a woman being smart. A man who will kill bugs and rodents, will protect me if I need it. My rule of thumb is if the thought of spending 2 days alone with a particular dude makes you want to commit seppuku then probably not a good idea to pursue it. Good sex is always a bonus.
Hell I probably meet that standard, plenty of guys I know do. Do you really mean "triggered because of his own resentment over a woman being smart" or do you mean somebody who will take the "I am woman, hear me screech" bullshit without standing up for himself?

All I want is a reasonably attractive girl who will be a loyal wife/homemaker and good mother to my future kids, and has a sense of humor I can gel with (I think I tend to be pretty funny in person, but my sense of humor is very American). I don't think it's that much to ask for, but apparently it is.
 
Kiwifarms is great for LOLCOWS but sometimes you luck in and get a retarded thread like this where socially inept men join together like a bunch of flaming coddled babies raised by pussies that whine they can't find women that suit their expectations. Even furies get laid more than these guys.

And then you read to find their expectations are from TV like "The Waltons". Freud would have a field day with these pansies looking to marry their mother and it's no wonder one of these men (Chan) ended up fucking his own mum. Chan would be right at home in this thread.

The only place these men are going to find these mystical women are in sheltered religious homes where they have been raised with the expectation that they serve a purpose to men and that is why they were born on Earth. Devote regardless of what a fucking looser their husbands are.

I think it admirable to want the qualities of "All I want is a reasonably attractive girl who will be a loyal wife/homemaker and good mother to my future kids, and has a sense of humor I can gel with" as the last poster provided, but that is pretty much a description that should be used for either a man or woman and usually comes with the territory of when you find someone of good nature you like and they like you but has almost nothing to do with what makes a marriage work that results in that loyalty. Most people are loyal and want a future that includes a nice home and a raised family but the qualifier is, do they want that future with you? Obviously fucking not.

YOU DON'T QUALIFY
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And that's why you are upset. They don't like you the way you are, and you are mad about it.

It is akin (analogy obviously) to asking why woman dont like your cooking. Of course everyone fucking likes good food, everyone does, but don't expect everyone to like YOUR cooking. And perhaps the person you are trying to attract doesn't like your cooking so either find someone who does, and stop whinging that every woman ought to like your cooking and bitch when they don't.

I'm so sorry millions of other Americans have found these women and that there are absolutely none left.

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YOU DON'T QUALIFY. And that's why you are upset. They don't like you the way you are, and you are mad about it.
Women nowadays are basically like that boomer on craigslist/facebook autos. "Don't lowball me, I know what I got".

It's not about what men, even top tier men who would otherwise QUALIFY as you put it, are actually offering. Its about what she *thinks* she can get. And that thought in her brain is just as real and important to her as any actual objective reality.
 
I'm so sorry millions of other Americans have found these women and that there are absolutely none left.

Men need to:
-Own a house
-Own a car
-Have superior education
-Be funny
-Be interesting
-Work out and be in best shape
-Dress sharply
-Be a good dancer
-Have lots of free time to go to parties, restaurants and travel the world
- every date should be a new adventure and he must always pay everything. obviously
-Be at leasy 6 feet tall
-Have a six figure income
- have a bussiness plan because wagies won't do
-Not get mad when cheated
-Don't demand anything from a woman

Women need to:
- Not be fat (optional)
 
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You seem to be pretty judgmental for someone who has "Gimme Nigger Dick" in their profile.
Oh shit, my entire pic and "gimme nigger dick" is for the enjoyment and pleasure of Ethan Ralph exclusively.

I am judging others. People I've never met, but based wholly on their whinging on this thread so I feel like it is OK. It isn't like I haven't been a social outcast uncomfortable with women in my past either, but I figured it out eventually that there are oodles of good women out there to be had and that the problem was with myself. I did come to realize as a man being horny and with a sex drive that the desire to land a woman in bed can lead one to exclusively and overly focus on how to get immediate results rather than to step back and look at the big picture honestly with the truth being if I was more comfortable with myself and was interesting it might come more naturally without strenuous attempts.

Everyone thinks they are interesting but are they really? Only knowledge, experience and indulging in the mind actually makes one interesting. Kind of like art, there are some pieces you can immediately admire and then easily forget and then there are others that hold your interest for years.

In truth I thought I was knowledgeable about things and now when someone speaks to me how I used to when I was younger it is no wonder I couldn't land the good women, I was talking like a jackass. Good women are usually pretty smart and are avid readers of knowledge, not romance novels. They hold your interest, if you find that sort of thing interesting.

I'm not sure what is interesting about a woman who wants loyalty or to raise children; those are predisposition shared by most women so I think it's a false start. There is however nothing wrong with a woman wanting a partner with some security which is usually a result and indicative of a man who makes good choices and is intelligent; so usually those men get "interviewed" first and are snagged fairly quickly if they are also interesting people.

If all someone wants is a 5 foot cum bad that looks good and cares after your off-spring and cooks for you, I find that pretty fucking sad and it tells me the person wanting that offers a good catch almost nothing of real value.
 
I think you are misunderstanding a lot. My comment was in the context of a person asserting that government taxes child support and takes a chunk of it (which taxation and gifting supposedly contributes to the low percentage of child msupport actually paid).

That is the context.
Sure. That changes nothing about what I was pointing out nor the inaccuracy of the statements I took umbrage with.
Hey, I'm with you on this. I want men who aren't satisfied with the current status of dating/relationship seeking to stop complaining as well.

I'd rather they just ifac, and let the repopulation rate get so bad that the system collapses under its own weight.

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I'd honestly prefer if shit was like a job interview; and the times I tried that speed-dating shit it was. If we could understand each other's short and long-term goals, we could save each other a lot of pain and time. Instead, I have to stumble around in the dark and try to figure shit out with someone who is uncommunicative at best or an out-right liar at worst; and it's not big lies, but small shit like "what do you want to eat" and "I don't know" really means "I expect you to make the decision for me," which I didn't get.

When I tried that speed-dating shit, it was more like a job interview. The problem being is what each brought to the table was very one-sided; she wanted to know my income, car I drive, how I plan to climb the social ladder, all I wanted to know is how many ways she could cook eggs (zero) or if she her mother or grandma had any special recipes (no, or at least none she knew).
I tried speed dating once. I shit you not, all the women there were nurses with sons named Aiden, who are their kings and the most important man in the world to them.
 
Sure. That changes nothing about what I was pointing out nor the inaccuracy of the statements I took umbrage with.

Hey, I'm with you on this. I want men who aren't satisfied with the current status of dating/relationship seeking to stop complaining as well.

I'd rather they just ifac, and let the repopulation rate get so bad that the system collapses under its own weight.

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you can not be serious that in a world of 8 Billion that you are seriously worried there aren't enough people?
 
you can not be serious that in a world of 8 Billion that you are seriously worried there aren't enough people?
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Well, first, this:

as well as the fact that having an upside-down pyramid to your demographics means you're running headfirst into a situation in which there will need to be more utilities for a larger group that necessarily will need to be operated and paid for by a smaller group.

Generation A has ten million people, for instance, in the year 2080 of FC (fictional country)
Generation B has five million people, in the year 2100, in FC
Generation C has one million people, in the year 2120 in FC

By the time generation A is sixty to eighty years old, generation B will need to fulfill the infrastructure and taxation needs of generation A with half of the people to both pay taxes and work the various services from AC/HV to bridge repair to hospital workers etc.

By the time B is that same age, you'll now have an even larger number of people needing services from a government and populace with an even smaller group. If generation D is 500,000 people, and so on, the system cannot handle it much like an upside-down pyramid is unstable.

I used these numbers to easily display the concept, it's not a direct comparison in any way nor is meant to be to the current demographic crisis in the U.S. which I will repeat until it gets into peoples' skulls that illegal and legal immigration both are not keeping up with right now.
And to be clear: it's less that the replacement rate alone is bad, it's that + all of the other aggravating factors such as a large segment of the population rightfully wanting to not help support the system that makes it functionally much, much lower than it already is to begin with.

Listing off all of those factors every single time I bring it up would be exhausting but I'm pretty sure most here already know anyhow. Point being you can't have a society function when there's too many people who need services and not enough people to work them. It's like a hospital meant to serve 1k people, with 800 patients, and single-digit numbers of doctors, nurses, and surgeons.
You have absolutely no idea just how fucked we are on this front alone. Don't feel bad, apparently a lot of people don't and need it explained to them.

You factor this in with cultural attitude shifts towards the value of hard work, of the kinds of careers younger people want (something like %80 of kids want to be a streamer nowadays), and the fact that immigration both legal and illegal isn't enough to bring the replacement rate above water and yes, I'm concerned about what that means. As should anybody with a vested interest in having a functioning first-world society. I said it earlier in the thread:
When I said "this issue" I really did mean the lack of engagement, and thus procreation, of men with women in a romantic way. Again if this poll is accurate at all to the larger populace %62 of men under 30 checking out of any romantic interest whatsoever should terrify anybody who likes living in a first-world nation with reliable first-world amenities.
Having a shitload of those already disabused of the cultural morays that enabled our society to be built and function in the first place, now have even less of a reason to do the jobs that keep shit functioning, is worrying. If, again, you're the kind of person who enjoys the current status quo in virtually all sectors of American life.

If you want a system collapse, this is good news. If you don't, it's fucking bad news and more horrible that it's getting worse year-after-year.
 
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Goodness; now we are whinging about not having enough people in a planet paralyzed with too many.

Some people need their fucking head examined. I'm not having kids to clean up your elderly shit. AI and automation is going to make at least 4 billion redundant humans. There will plenty of Americans to fill your piddly requirement of a mere 1-200,000 health care workers. Thats what the retards are for.

Lurktrawl, Get a grip. You are full of nonsense.
 
It's kind of funny that a fat Jew known for having a premature heart attack is trying to lecture people on something they almost certainly have no experience in with their usual senseless verbal diarrhea.

So it is about sex.
Now listen here you...

No but seriously. I'd say at least 40%. That's why I said "just," it's definitely part of it.
 
Goodness; now we are whinging about not having enough people in a planet paralyzed with too many.
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Some people need their fucking head examined. I'm not having kids to clean up your elderly shit. AI and automation is going to make at least 4 billion redundant humans. There will plenty of Americans to fill your piddly requirement of a mere 1-200,000 health care workers. Thats what the retards are for.

Lurktrawl, Get a grip. You are full of nonsense.
You really don't get it do you?

I don't know how I could've explained it better, so maybe it's an intellectual disability issue on your end. Either way, like I said, I'm with you. Men need to stop complaining about romance issues and just pursue their own interests, and enjoy our current level of amenities while they can. Let the problem worsen until it forces society to realign its interests and fix these problems naturally.

In twenty years when you can't find a doctor, your area has rolling blackouts, faulty plumbing, and you can't get baby wipes or batteries for a lantern so you can wipe your ass in the dark because of supply shortages due to labor issues just remember: I told you so.

Edit: Required reading for anyone interested in the "just how fucked are we, anyway?" question: http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf
 
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Young men are socially retarded faggots confirmed. It's never been easier to pick up women who want a man and not a tiktok- obsessed, autistic, man baby.
I'd tend to agree. I've been pretty taken aback by the little things women have positively commented on that I just considered part of being a functional human being - being able to cook decent meals, keeping my place clean (and making sure it's particularly clean when she comes by), keeping some amount of real food and various amenities stocked, and even personal hygiene habits.

I know many women have unrealistic demands of men, but there are still a lot who are pleasantly surprised just by dudes who aren't looking for a surrogate mommy, maid, and caretaker.
 
that whine they can't find women that suit their expectations. Even furies get laid more than these guys.

That's because furies will prey upon disabled women and the disabled women will put up with it. PL: I knew a woman who dated one for a full year, the guy himself hadn't taken a shower in a few years (nor even a bath) before she broke up with him. Now when I asked the lady why she didn't break up with him being that unhygenic, she then told me the other guys were "too nice" about her disability and he was full of charisma. Hahahaha, it's not men can't find women that meet their expectations, it's just we don't want ot be mentally dysfunctional furies who don't take showers for years to get a girl and have some decent self respect.
but there are still a lot who are pleasantly surprised just by dudes who aren't looking for a surrogate mommy, maid, and caretaker.
It's all because in the female heirarchy the lies outweight the truth of reality. It's why the more "excluded women" are far more sociable, happy and great to be around. *Women that don't like to hang around other women for whatever reason not merely just tomboys.
 
I'd tend to agree. I've been pretty taken aback by the little things women have positively commented on that I just considered part of being a functional human being - being able to cook decent meals, keeping my place clean (and making sure it's particularly clean when she comes by), keeping some amount of real food and various amenities stocked, and even personal hygiene habits.

I know many women have unrealistic demands of men, but there are still a lot who are pleasantly surprised just by dudes who aren't looking for a surrogate mommy, maid, and caretaker.
This is my experience as well. If you can function, hold a decent conversation and can avoid talking about sex - something that women tell me is a major problem when talking to men, then you're in for a winner. Like you say, the basics of being a functional human being are seen as Godly skills.

I lump the women with high standards - those who want 6ft 8" men earning £250,00 a year, in the same bracket as the coomers, incels and dysfunctional man babies; they're all a waste of oxygen and not worth your time. The best part about modern-day dating is that the crazy women have multi-coloured hair to warn you that they're bat shit insane.
 
Young men are socially retarded faggots confirmed. It's never been easier to pick up women who want a man and not a tiktok- obsessed, autistic, man baby.

That and I've never been sucked off in an interview. There's still time though

Boys are proud of easily getting laid.

Men are proud of finding a good wife and mother of their children.
 
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