Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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Unironically something like this but just left it there, without moving it.
Tbh if we're being serious a pessary shaped like a butplugg that just sits there and prevents it from healing shut would probably be better than having to sit ramming a dilator in there for two or three hours, three times a day. That's like a quarter of the day these freaks have to spend dilating. It's a hell of their own making.
 
The stitches holding the last layer of skin are NOT supposed to be holding the force / load of holding the wound closed.
PL, but I once had the displeasure of being stitched in a military hospital located in Bumfuck, Nowhere, by a surgeon who, I strongly suspect to this day, flunked every study possible. The wound was a clean, bone-deep cut (around 1.5-2 inches), positioned in a really unfortunate way near a joint. It dehiscing was only a matter of time, because turns out even the thickest sutures available can't bear the load when they're surface-only. Metal stoppers did nothing other than leave a cool set of imprints from when they got embedded into the skin while trying to hold it together.
Admittedly, it was free.

Somehow it still managed to look better than the chest scars of those pooners. Their top doctors stitch shit worse than a village idiot. It actually costs money - if not to trannies, then to American taxpayers, loads of money at that. I'm almost ready to bet on being able to train a monkey to stitch better.
I understand that they're basically Chinese factories of operating theaters, stamping out one after another with nearly zero quality control, but lol. Lmao, even.

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Unironically something like this but just left it there, without moving it.
Flesh can get "fused" to inorganic matter in some weird (and horrific) scenarios. It usually concerns couch-bound fatties who then croak and get on TV, but leaving objects in open wounds is considered a bad practice in general, even in the world of quacks.
 
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A couple horrifying recent r/phallo posts from disabled pooners who want to disable themselves further.
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RFF phallo as a wheelchair user
- trumpisacockwomble
Hello, I've been interested in phallo for a while and RFF seems like the best option for me. I use a manual wheelchair and have no idea how I'd manage or how long I'd be unable to use my arm for. Are then any other wheelchair users who have gone through this or have a good estimate on how screwed my arm would be that'd be amazing!

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this person doesn't even identify as a man, doesn't want to take T very long, and as of 2 months ago responded to a question about being a woman. she is on disability payments
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GRS Q: my body has complications + out of province, what was ur experience with GRS post-op.
- beeucancallmepickle
Hey, my brain is flowing with questions and my Grammer is awful, stay with me, and I apologize.
Okay so, - my body is complicated (brain injuries, hypermobility (much slower healing), fibro (chronic pain) etc.
  • I live in ontario + money is incredibly tight
  • planning ahead.
My Dr for trans health is very concerned that if I do GRS, a private hospital, they are not equipped to handle my difficult case. Furthermore, that grs with phalo, I'm told, has a 100% complication rate (ie fistula).
With disability my income is very small and savings are very difficult at this time (which also sucks cause I need to figure out how to pay for electrolysis).
I'm looking for general points in some direction. I'm wondering if
-complicated medical cases have done phallo at GRS, and how much you were impacted.
-If there are resources of places to stay for very cheap post-op if I need to stay in the province longer to monitor if I get further complications, etc.
  • and any related helpful info.
I appreciate you.

Phallo + T question + ohip​

Wordy, bare with me.
By OHIP standards, the person must be on T for 12 months. Also, by ohip standards to be approved for phallo, the patient must be on 12 months continual. Grs timeline surgeries can take anywhere around a year, give or take.
I am nonbinary and want to avoid a beard. I'm thinking of writing in, with the support of my GP. but I can't get hysto until now I've reached the 1 year mark. And American standards with the wpath has been updated to only require t for 1 year.
Tldr: I don't want to do t for 2 years because I'm worried about getting a beard, however to qualify for surgery ine must be on t for.1 year, and then wait possibly another year with wait times for GRS, and stay on t while they wait.
Q: Has anyone successfully been given an exception to this, such as, been on t for 1 year and stopped, and still qualified for surgery?
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I also work in disability services and I have encountered a person so determined to be incapable of making decisions that she is under legal guardianship whose guardian is supporting and helping her to pursue phalloplasty. T
 
this person doesn't even identify as a man, doesn't want to take T very long, and as of 2 months ago responded to a question about being a woman. she is on disability payments

I'm going to ask ask the obvious (and rhetorical) question: wtf does a self-described NON-BINARY person want to get surgery to make their anatomy look like the other BINARY? Make it make sense, someone, please.

Don't even get me started on getting this elective, serious surgery on the government dime.

And the audacity of wanting an exception from the requirements for reassignment surgery because you don't want to look too much like the gender you're insisting you need surgery to resemble?
 
I'm going to ask ask the obvious (and rhetorical) question: wtf does a self-described NON-BINARY person want to get surgery to make their anatomy look like the other BINARY? Make it make sense, someone, please.

Don't even get me started on getting this elective, serious surgery on the government dime.

And the audacity of wanting an exception from the requirements for reassignment surgery because you don't want to look too much like the gender you're insisting you need surgery to resemble?
Yeah what pisses me off is these freaks want us to pay for it.
You want to fuck yourself up, fine, but it should be 100% out of pocket, no taxpayer assistance, no insurance, and when it inevitably fucks them up they should be disqualified for disability.
You want to do something so retarded, its your fucking body, save up however many thousands it costs and pay for it yourself and live with the damn consequences.
I don't see why people should be forced through taxes or insurance contributions to pay for something they may have ethical objections to.
 
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I'm going to ask ask the obvious (and rhetorical) question: wtf does a self-described NON-BINARY person want to get surgery to make their anatomy look like the other BINARY? Make it make sense, someone, please.

Don't even get me started on getting this elective, serious surgery on the government dime.

And the audacity of wanting an exception from the requirements for reassignment surgery because you don't want to look too much like the gender you're insisting you need surgery to resemble?
I've noticed a lot of "theyfabs" posting about phalloplasty recently- and sharing their distinctive style of creepy fanart incorporating that theme. In the past you'd sometimes see male pervs who were into "nullo" or eunuch shit as a fetish, but very rarely compared to the other varieties of MTF. You'd almost never see females doing that kind of thing. Now out of nowhere all these feminine appearing theythem gals are lining up for a flesh roll. It's a fashion fad plus self-mutilation "cry for help and attention" and these things spread like wildfire among midwit teenage girls and young women. These are the ones who have been told they are clever girls their whole lives, but aren't especially so, not really- their main virtue is conformity. Schoolmarms love it and reward it because a compliant girl who keeps her head down and admonishes the kids who don't makes their job easy, and that gets translated into "I am smarter than the other kids" somehow.

But now what they are learning in school and conforming with is sex and gender derangement. So they want penises, because it's a simple kneejerk opposite game- girls are not supposed to have penises, therefore a Smart Girl, who is not like the other girls, will go get one.

Who knew that impulse shopping for a dick would turn out to be the ultimate Woman Moment.
 
Flesh can get "fused" to inorganic matter in some weird (and horrific) scenarios
Ouch. But what about women’s pessaries, Novaring or other gyno stuff — they are left there for a long time with no consequences? Okay, healthy vagina doesn’t try to heal itself shut, point taken. But, even something like menstrual cup with “inside time” of 4-7 hours would be better than this. This practice of forcible thrust into literally bleeding open flesh sounds more like punishment for poor choice, than medical procedure.

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I'm going to ask ask the obvious (and rhetorical) question: wtf does a self-described NON-BINARY person want to get surgery to make their anatomy look like the other BINARY? Make it make sense, someone, please.
So, she wants to be non binary futanari? With silky nonbeardy chin and massive dong?
 
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I've noticed a lot of "theyfabs" posting about phalloplasty recently- and sharing their distinctive style of creepy fanart incorporating that theme. In the past you'd sometimes see male pervs who were into "nullo" or eunuch shit as a fetish, but very rarely compared to the other varieties of MTF. You'd almost never see females doing that kind of thing. Now out of nowhere all these feminine appearing theythem gals are lining up for a flesh roll. It's a fashion fad plus self-mutilation "cry for help and attention" and these things spread like wildfire among midwit teenage girls and young women. These are the ones who have been told they are clever girls their whole lives, but aren't especially so, not really- their main virtue is conformity. Schoolmarms love it and reward it because a compliant girl who keeps her head down and admonishes the kids who don't makes their job easy, and that gets translated into "I am smarter than the other kids" somehow.

But now what they are learning in school and conforming with is sex and gender derangement. So they want penises, because it's a simple kneejerk opposite game- girls are not supposed to have penises, therefore a Smart Girl, who is not like the other girls, will go get one.

Who knew that impulse shopping for a dick would turn out to be the ultimate Woman Moment.
The whole srs/grs thing - hell, 99% of the gender stuff lately - is pure fad (and "I'm so unique and speciak," which has always been the case with teens, though never so validated, regardless of absurdity). Men and women, boys and girls.

This is a matter of market creation, not market need. It's scooping in susceptible young people softened by current-day obsession with self, broadening of diagnosing criteria for everything, over-sexualisation, internet predators, and unprincipled and/or unaware enablers.

I don't necessarily agree with your analysis of girls but not dismissing it out of hand, either.
 
I'm going to ask ask the obvious (and rhetorical) question: wtf does a self-described NON-BINARY person want to get surgery to make their anatomy look like the other BINARY? Make it make sense, someone, please.

Don't even get me started on getting this elective, serious surgery on the government dime.

And the audacity of wanting an exception from the requirements for reassignment surgery because you don't want to look too much like the gender you're insisting you need surgery to resemble?
Never try to apply logic to troon fuckery they just don't mix.
 
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People who harp on detransitioners after they express regret for undergoing a hormone treatment or surgeries always miss the point.
This is a person who made a hasty but life-altering decision shortly after turning 18 & whose consequences could have been prevented if her lack of experience was taken into account by the doctor who prescribed her testosterone. Her impatience wasn’t even a deterrent. She wasn’t given time to think deeply about the potential side effects or change her mind.

If she was asking to get her tubes tied she would’ve gone through hoops and a waiting period to prove she is certain in her decision and that she reflected on it considerably, but none of that happened here, and that’s the problem.
 
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People who harp on detransitioners after they express regret for undergoing a hormone treatment or surgeries always miss the point.
This is a person who made a hasty but life-altering decision shortly after turning 18 & whose consequences could have been prevented if her lack of experience was taken into account by the doctor who prescribed her testosterone. Her impatience wasn’t even a deterrent. She wasn’t given time to think deeply about the potential side effects or change her mind.

If she was asking to get her tubes tied she would’ve gone through hoops and a waiting period to prove she is certain in her decision and that she reflected on it considerably, but none of that happened here, and that’s the problem.
the trannies who shit on these people for ignoring the risks are the same people who push people into troondowm by downplaying/denying those very same risks. just utter sociopaths.
 
disabled pooners who want to disable themselves further.
Disabled or "disabled"? I've noticed a lot of the regulars featured in the Munchausen's by Internet thread are some flavor of genderspecial, and I imagine that the Venn diagram of girls who pretend to be sick for attention and girls who pretend to be trans for attention is a near perfect circle.
 
Disabled or "disabled"? I've noticed a lot of the regulars featured in the Munchausen's by Internet thread are some flavor of genderspecial, and I imagine that the Venn diagram of girls who pretend to be sick for attention and girls who pretend to be trans for attention is a near perfect circle.
I agree, particularly when you’re looking at girls who claim hyper mobility or chronic pain. I’m surprised she didn’t list POTS too.
 
So, she wants to be non binary futanari? With silky nonbeardy chin and massive dong?
Or she just wants to be sterilised, which is almost impossible for young women. Maybe she thinks this is a short cut (pun intended..) say you’re a pooner and get it all yeeted.
It may just be common or garden self destruction. So last century darling, you need the beard now or how will everyone see how much you’re hurting?
 
Disabled or "disabled"? I've noticed a lot of the regulars featured in the Munchausen's by Internet thread are some flavor of genderspecial, and I imagine that the Venn diagram of girls who pretend to be sick for attention and girls who pretend to be trans for attention is a near perfect circle.
One of them is in a wheelchair and the other is on disability. The one on disability does say she has EDS but isn’t diagnosed, which is a very common munchie claim but she said she is on disability work program without review and has other diagnoses. I know people with some common munchie diagnoses who are legit disabled and don’t have access to those kind of programs. I’m not active in the munchie thread so maybe they are great at faking but from my experience working with disabled people I would think if she is faking it, she’s doing a really thorough job. I’m not as familiar with Canada but in the US it would be extremely difficult to get that setup without a real disability. And since I do encounter this issue more and more in my job I don’t see any reason to doubt that people with disabilities are pursuing this surgery
 
Or she just wants to be sterilised, which is almost impossible for young women. Maybe she thinks this is a short cut (pun intended..) say you’re a pooner and get it all yeeted.
It may just be common or garden self destruction. So last century darling, you need the beard now or how will everyone see how much you’re hurting?
Then get a hysterectomy, but no, she wants a full-blown phallo at the cost of an arm she needs for fucking moving herself around. Little bit too much for sterilization, don't you think?
 
Or she just wants to be sterilised, which is almost impossible for young women. Maybe she thinks this is a short cut (pun intended..) say you’re a pooner and get it all yeeted.
It may just be common or garden self destruction. So last century darling, you need the beard now or how will everyone see how much you’re hurting?
Feminists really should reconsider this line of thought. The idea that having breasts and uterus is a medical problem that demands medicalized solutions (reductions, hysterectomies, tubal ligations...) is part of what makes trooning out appeal to little girls in the first place. You gals start to sound like my Calvinist grandmother ranting about the "curse of Eve." You don't hear men decrying testes, et al, as medically suspect burdens.

This isn't to belittle the enormity of pregnancy and what it means for women. It's a big deal. But when we encourage the thought that kids are not up to handling big deals and should find a way out of them, society goes to hell pretty quick-like.

I'd say, we went so far in the direction of "my body my choice, whatever I can get a surgeon to carve up on me is my call to have carved up" we will have to shut the whole thing down. No elective "reductions." No nose jobs. No "one and done tie my tubes/vas." If it isn't broke, don't "fix" it, for 7 generations until people get their damn heads on straight again.

One of them is in a wheelchair and the other is on disability. The one on disability does say she has EDS but isn’t diagnosed, which is a very common munchie claim but she said she is on disability work program without review and has other diagnoses. I know people with some common munchie diagnoses who are legit disabled and don’t have access to those kind of programs. I’m not active in the munchie thread so maybe they are great at faking but from my experience working with disabled people I would think if she is faking it, she’s doing a really thorough job. I’m not as familiar with Canada but in the US it would be extremely difficult to get that setup without a real disability. And since I do encounter this issue more and more in my job I don’t see any reason to doubt that people with disabilities are pursuing this surgery
It's really too bad the Last Psychiatrist is gone. He explained how this works so well. It's a kind of "you learn to know it when you see it" about who can get SSI or similar benefits. SSI is used to subsidize the ghettos, to stave off riots. It's used to reinforce certain pipelines the system wants to keep in operation. It isn't really about someone being more disabled than someone else.
 
I'd say, we went so far in the direction of "my body my choice, whatever I can get a surgeon to carve up on me is my call to have carved up" we will have to shut the whole thing down. No elective "reductions." No nose jobs. No "one and done tie my tubes/vas." If it isn't broke, don't "fix" it, for 7 generations until people get their damn heads on straight again.
A big reason women want the uterus yeeted is because of extremely painful cramps on top of not wanting to get pregnant. Usually tying tubes should be plenty, but if you have PCOS or endometreosis, it's an incredibly painful disorder that will flare quite literally every month. You used to never really hear of it, but it's becoming a lot more common. PCOS isn't just a fat girl disease, being fat makes it a hell of a lot worse, but skinny girls get it too, and it can get worse with age.
You can also suffer several health consequences like chronic anemia/fainting spells or migraines that can make you absolutely useless at work. Most girls I know with endo have to take the entire week off of work because it's the kind of pain you will vomit and cry from as soon as it happens.
 
A big reason women want the uterus yeeted is because of extremely painful cramps on top of not wanting to get pregnant. Usually tying tubes should be plenty, but if you have PCOS or endometreosis, it's an incredibly painful disorder that will flare quite literally every month. You used to never really hear of it, but it's becoming a lot more common. PCOS isn't just a fat girl disease, being fat makes it a hell of a lot worse, but skinny girls get it too, and it can get worse with age.
You can also suffer several health consequences like chronic anemia/fainting spells or migraines that can make you absolutely useless at work. Most girls I know with endo have to take the entire week off of work because it's the kind of pain you will vomit and cry from as soon as it happens.
I'm aware.

The whole thing that makes endometriosis a disorder is that the hormonally responsive tissue that is supposed to be inside the uterus is growing elsewhere. Removing a woman's uterus will stick her with lifelong repercussions and side effects, but it does not actually treat, let alone cure, the fact of endometrial tissue growing on her kidney, diaphragm, or sciatic nerve (all case reports I recall reading.) Castrating her- chemically or surgically- will cause the lesions to stop responding to hormonal cycles, but again, lifelong consequences.

It's not to say that people with these disorders don't experience real pain from them, just that removing entire organs because of something non life-threatening is something medicine doesn't tend to do to men and doesn't tend to be something men as "healthcare consumers" demand. Why is it feminists are clamoring to be treated worse and subjected to medical mutilation in lieu of actual medical treatment, when dumb incels like me are saying "demand better"?
 
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