Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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I'm aware.

The whole thing that makes endometriosis a disorder is that the hormonally responsive tissue that is supposed to be inside the uterus is growing elsewhere. Removing a woman's uterus will stick her with lifelong repercussions and side effects, but it does not actually treat, let alone cure, the fact of endometrial tissue growing on her kidney, diaphragm, or sciatic nerve (all case reports I recall reading.) Castrating her- chemically or surgically- will cause the lesions to stop responding to hormonal cycles, but again, lifelong consequences.

It's not to say that people with these disorders don't experience real pain from them, just that removing entire organs because of something non life-threatening is something medicine doesn't tend to do to men and doesn't tend to be something men as "healthcare consumers" demand. Why is it feminists are clamoring to be treated worse and subjected to medical mutilation in lieu of actual medical treatment, when dumb incels like me are saying "demand better"?
It isn't really a feminist thing as much as a- "I have extremely low chances of concieving without several grand worth of ivf, and if I do, I have significantly higher chances of complications". Usually removing everything will trigger you to hit menopause, you'll have a short burst of issues, and then it levels out. Usually that is what's suggested for women if they're older and have (somehow) managed 2 kids. Most refuse to do it "in case you regret it". They do the same shit if you have uterine cancer, which has lead to women dying because they don't want to touch a ""healthy"" organ, when it isn't. Cancer, PCOS, and endo don't make a healthy organ. I will grant you that it's true the tissue for endo can still keep growing, though doctors have explained to me it does stop once menopause hits.

Eta: I know 3 people with both pcos AND endo, two ended up with pre eclampsia and all three nearly died giving birth. Even in a healthy woman with no issues, birth is still extremely dangerous and I feel like not enough people realize that. That isn't to say to just yeet it, having self control and taking preventative measures are also important. Yet somehow, it seems like unless you are trans, a woman has no say over what to do with their body because they are seen as a breeding machine. I don't really consider myself a feminist, but I've noticed my reproductive health has never prioritized me, but an unborn, non existent child I have no plan on creating.
I'm lucky that I don't have those same issues other women do.
 
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Eta: I know 3 people with both pcos AND endo, two ended up with pre eclampsia and all three nearly died giving birth. Even in a healthy woman with no issues, birth is still extremely dangerous and I feel like not enough people realize that. That isn't to say to just yeet it, having self control and taking preventative measures are also important. Yet somehow, it seems like unless you are trans, a woman has no say over what to do with their body because they are seen as a breeding machine. I don't really consider myself a feminist, but I've noticed my reproductive health has never prioritized me, but an unborn, non existent child I have no plan on creating.
It may have something to do with the long-running forced sterilization eugenics programs in the United States making them leery about casual womb removal:
Unwanted Sterilization and Eugenics Programs in the United States
And with all the detransitioners suing about loss of fertility say that they were unable to comprehend the enormity of the decision that they made. Isn't the whole trans movement a great argument why people shouldn't be able to rearrange their organs whenever they feel like it?
 
It may have something to do with the long-running forced sterilization eugenics programs in the United States making them leery about casual womb removal:
Unwanted Sterilization and Eugenics Programs in the United States
And with all the detransitioners suing about loss of fertility say that they were unable to comprehend the enormity of the decision that they made. Isn't the whole trans movement a great argument why people shouldn't be able to rearrange their organs whenever they feel like it?
Right. It's those slippery definitions and weasely "indications" that are the whole problem. We go from "it's life-saving surgery to remove this cancerous ovary" to "it's life-saving surgery to remove this pain-causing ovary, because otherwise a sequence of events may occur in which the patient becomes suicidal and/or has a bad pregnancy experience" to "it's life-saving surgery to remove this anxiety-causing ovary, because otherwise a sequence of events may occur in which the patient becomes so distressed at the possibility of a future pregnancy or menstrual cycles or the remote possibility of cancer that she spirals into a suicidal depression."

Just the facts, ma'am. This kind of elective removal of guts based on psychological worries clearly has no logical stopping point of its own, so stop it before it gets out the gate.
 
The idea that having breasts and uterus is a medical problem that demands medicalized solutions (reductions, hysterectomies, tubal ligations...) is part of what makes trooning out appeal to little girls in the first place. You gals start to sound like my Calvinist grandmother ranting about the "curse of Eve." You don't hear men decrying testes, et al, as medically suspect burdens.
Enh. She referred to sterilization. The equivalent to your vasectomy. Whether for men or women it's a medical sterilization procedure, yet I'm not hearing an outcry about male sterilization.

It should also be noted that at no time have men been required to get a spouse's (or parent's) permission to opt for a sterilization procedure (this is no longer required by law anywhere, though at one point it was; nonetheless, some hospitals/ providers still require it). Many docs discourage it to the point of refusal under 36, and under Federal law, Medicaid prohibits voluntary female sterilization under 21 [outside of trans surgeries, I guess] and women over 21 have a 30-day waiting period). Men's choices in that regard have no such restrictions. If you can't comprehend anything odd in that history, I fear you're just putting on to put on.

Someone mentioned the legacy of forced sterilization of certain groups, and that is an historical factor to certain consent requirements in the US. We seem to go overboard in wanting to manage women's fertility by broad strokes, in one direction or another. However, the populations compromised by forced sterilizations on the one hand and permission slips on the other don't have a great deal of overlap, and at this point in time are mostly irrelevant - and protections against exploitation of the poor or the incompetent could certainly be tailored more closely to relevant situations than they are.

But this is women's stuff; how about let women handle it. Mistakes will be made; that's life. Are you really concerned about ensuring propagation of the species by mentally incompetent people?

with all the detransitioners suing about loss of fertility say that they were unable to comprehend the enormity of the decision that they made.
Please list all such suits. Which are irrelevant, anyway, because aside from egregious historical travesties of forced and unwanted sterilizations, there's basically no noise from regular women who ask for their tubes to be tied while they're already on the operating table, or otherwise. Not one surgery has zero risks of complications or regrets - even life-saving ones - so let's not put women-specific surgeries to a higher standard than everything else, including vasectomies that end up being irreversible.

And no, the trans population is not representative of the larger population in the least. Most people seeking elective sterilization - men and women - are not seeking "gender euphoria" or to use it as a stepping stone to radical surgery with unpredictable and often crippling outcomes due to what is at best experimental surgery fueled by faddish contagion.
 
Right. It's those slippery definitions and weasely "indications" that are the whole problem. We go from "it's life-saving surgery to remove this cancerous ovary" to "it's life-saving surgery to remove this pain-causing ovary, because otherwise a sequence of events may occur in which the patient becomes suicidal and/or has a bad pregnancy experience" to "it's life-saving surgery to remove this anxiety-causing ovary, because otherwise a sequence of events may occur in which the patient becomes so distressed at the possibility of a future pregnancy or menstrual cycles or the remote possibility of cancer that she spirals into a suicidal depression."

Just the facts, ma'am. This kind of elective removal of guts based on psychological worries clearly has no logical stopping point of its own, so stop it before it gets out the gate.
This is going to be a long read, so I'd appreciate if you read it in its entirity. If you'd like links, I can put together a doc file for you of everything.

If you manage to get pregnant with either pcos or endo, your chances of pre eclampsia go up astronomically. They're already high if you're fat, and it's difficult to lose weight with pcos. Not impossible by any means, but difficult.
Pre eclampsia is basically a mix of things like high blood pressure, risk of stroke to the baby and mother, risk of bleeding out which can happen even with blood transfusions, higher risk of diabetes, etc etc. Again, this is with just normal weighted people with either disease.
I agree with not letting someone just yeet a HEALTHY organ without some serious research before hand. HEALTHY.
That is not including endo and pcos, they cause actual, life threatening issues with pregnancy, yet you glossed over that entirely. Again, these are things DOCTORS have told me.
The main reason an average woman with a HEALTHY organ shouldn't is because of 3 things- you'll hit menopause immediately, you'll need estrogen shots if you have it young to both put that off and to prevent osteoporosis, and of course, any risk of any surgery, that includes wisdom teeth removal because yes, freak accidents with that surgery happens too. Are you also going to tell people to not get that too, because it can happen?
The main reason many of us are against trans men from getting surgery is because
-they are usually too mentally ill and rush it (see bpd behavior)
-they're too young
-nobody really warns them of the long term consequences.

I can promise you, I have heard every single risk when it comes to wanting to remove my uterus, which is why I won't, despite how badly I'd love to. There are women who are sat down and explained, every time we go in, "you should have at least 2 children first" despite, again, these disorders making it nearly impossible without fertility treatments. Endo causes scarring in the fallopian tubes that make it nearly impossible for an egg to properly get fertilized before dropping, and pcos makes you have a higher chance of the more dangerous kind of pregnancy, where it grows in the fallopian tubes. This is regarded as a false pregnancy as nothing can survive in that space, there is no place for blood vessels to connect and help develop a fetus, even if you did manage to move it to the uterus, it's essentially a tumor.
I'm not trying to bash or attack you, these are even things some women may not understand if they don't go through these issues or know anyone with it, but they're important to know.
You will likely never be questioned out the ass, criticized and infantalized for wanting to be snipped. A woman getting her tubes tied, something that doesn't remove anything except maybe a section of tubing, is often rejected unless you have two kids.
Do you actually think that's at all fair?
 
Ouch. But what about women’s pessaries, Novaring or other gyno stuff — they are left there for a long time with no consequences? Okay, healthy vagina doesn’t try to heal itself shut, point taken. But, even something like menstrual cup with “inside time” of 4-7 hours would be better than this. This practice of forcible thrust into literally bleeding open flesh sounds more like punishment for poor choice, than medical procedure.

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So, she wants to be non binary futanari? With silky nonbeardy chin and massive dong?
There is a lolcow named Nicole Cliffe who claimed she got a menstrual cup stuck inside her uterus for nearly a year before her husband had such powerful sex with her that it came unstuck. She said she was going to yell at the hospital for not believing her when she originally guessed it was in her uterus, but I don't think she ever followed up on that because a lot of people were like ".......ehm????"

I wonder if it got embedded into the vaginal wall somehow, though, maybe hidden by a low-lying cervix or something. No way what she says happened was true.
 
Whether for men or women it's a medical sterilization procedure, yet I'm not hearing an outcry about male sterilization.
Men's choices in that regard have no such restrictions. If you can't comprehend anything odd in that history, I fear you're just putting on to put on.
You will likely never be questioned out the ass, criticized and infantalized for wanting to be snipped.
Exactly, and it's horrible and unfair to men -- not that retarded coomers are sterilizing themselves per se, but that a culture produces retarded coomers and promotes a hatred of parenthood ("having a baby when <literally any event> is irresponsible, if you want to coom so much you should've gotten snipped").

I'm female. Reading vasectomy propaganda on A&N disgusted and horrified me so much it made me a fundie on all contraception. Catholics are right on this, contraception (including elective sterilization) turns a person into a globohomo dildo or cocksleeve.
 
There is a lolcow named Nicole Cliffe who claimed she got a menstrual cup stuck inside her uterus for nearly a year before her husband had such powerful sex with her that it came unstuck. She said she was going to yell at the hospital for not believing her when she originally guessed it was in her uterus, but I don't think she ever followed up on that because a lot of people were like ".......ehm????"

I wonder if it got embedded into the vaginal wall somehow, though, maybe hidden by a low-lying cervix or something. No way what she says happened was true.
Nicole Cliffe is an exhausting, brittle lunatic. If anyone doesn't know her, she was the other half of The Toast with pre-transition Daniel (Mallory) Lavery, ftm trans-spouse of Grace Elisabeth (Joe) Lavery (MTF, professor at Berkeley and auther of Please Miss: A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Penis (a memoir)*; they have a thread here somewhere).

Nicole and Daniel are or were best friends. Nicole also did some writing on Slate (advice on parenting, iirc, which started out OK if a touch smug, then got bad). She is married to an investment banker or hedge fund guy, idr), but also (as of a year or so ago, anyway)in a relationship with Gretchen Felker-Martin, a very gross (in multiple ways) MTF who once tweeted and deleted she wanted to slit JK Rowling's throat.
Gretchen wrote this zombie horror novel (which got a lot of very good reviews; ymmv) :
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In the Lavery thread Nicole's orgasmic lust for Felker-Martin's immense fat rolls is detailed. It's revolting, as is her ignorance about exactly where the cup got stuck (pretty sure the likely options were also discussed in depth in that thread, consensus being most likely behind the cervix/in the posterior fornix, which is a little space behind the cervix).

Nicole also struggles with truthiness:

Writer Nicole Cliffe kicked off the conversation on Twitter, admitting she had lied to her husband Steve so that he would allow her to move in to his house.
She said: “I lied and said I was getting evicted and needed a place to live when in fact I just wanted to move in.”
[From her Twitter:] "when I moved in with Steve three months into our relationship it’s because I lied and said I was getting evicted and needed a place to live when in fact I just wanted to move in
ok please tell me about your over-the-top lies for personal gain"
— Nicole Cliffe (@Nicole_Cliffe) January 8, 2019


Nicole claims autism, overshares about her eating disorder(s) and mental health (and "mental health") drugs and painkillers, went to Harvard College (grad 2005), and worked at a hedge fund before starting her writing career. She professes Christianity (or did at one point), having been an atheist in earlier life. Shockingly, she claims to be writing a horror novel, though that was 3 years ago so who knows.

*Hachette's blurb says: "Grace Lavery is a reformed druggie, an unreformed omnisexual chaos Muppet, and 100 percent, all-natural, synthetic female hormone monster. As soon as she solves her “penis problem,” she begins receiving anonymous letters, seemingly sent by a cult of sinister clowns, and sets out on a magical mystery tour to find the source of these surreal missives. Misadventures abound: Grace performs in a David Lynch remake of Sunset Boulevard and is reprogrammed as a sixties femmebot; she writes a Juggalo Ghostbusters prequel and a socialist manifesto disguised as a porn parody of a quiz show. Or is it vice versa? As Grace fumbles toward a new trans identity, she tries on dozens of different voices, creating a coat of many colors.

With more dick jokes than a transsexual should be able to pull off, Please Miss gives us what we came for, then slaps us in the face and orders us to come again."
 
Then get a hysterectomy, but no, she wants a full-blown phallo at the cost of an arm she needs for fucking moving herself around. Little bit too much for sterilization, don't you think?
Oh I’m not saying it’s right, I’m wondering if that’s her motivation. I’ve known a couple of women who were determined to be sterilised. Bpth were self garners bent on self destruction. Both had significant mental health issues and one faked their way to getting a hysterectomy. One is still constantly hurting herself.
Surgeons don’t do it on demand becasue the regret rate is massive and the women who die often win, and also they know It’s often a type of self harm. There’s a big difference between a woman with four kids requesting a tubal ligation and a twenty year old requesting a full Hysterectomy. What I’m wondering is of ‘pretend you’re a troon’ is now going round in these circles and hence the rejection of t. Maybe she’d test the uterus and ‘suddenly change her mind’ before rotdog.
The idea that having breasts and uterus is a medical problem that demands medicalized solutions (reductions, hysterectomies, tubal ligations...) is part of what makes trooning out appeal to little girls in the first place. You gals start to sound like my Calvinist grandmother ranting about the "curse of Eve." You don't hear men decrying testes, et al, as medically suspect burdens.
Balls tend to cause fewer issues, and wimmins issues can be debilitating . But as per my comment above this isn’t something I’m condoning, I’m wondering if it’s being used as a cheat code for girls who want their reproductive systems destroyed as a form of self harm. I have seen this directly - girls so bent on harming themselves they starting pulling their own teeth out and faking symptoms to get a hysterectomy
Usually removing everything will trigger you to hit menopause, you'll have a short burst of issues, and then it levels out.
It has long term consequences too - much higher risk of prolapse of pelvic structures and also of dementia, brittle bones etc . Early menopause in and of itself is bad for your health. Hysterectomy can be life saving, but it shouldn’t be done lightly. There’s better ways to not have kids.
Endometriosis has no easy answers - if you remove the uterus and do a full laparoscopic removal of out of place tissue you’ll never get it all and the lesions on other organs will regrow and still bleed. Lupron (bloody lupron, terrible stuff) is given to women too and it often does more harm than good. There is unfortunately very little good treatment for endo, which is a bastard of a condition and I feel very sorry for any woman who has it.
Contraception is another one of those things with an awful lot of strange consequences for the individual and the species.
I also find this terror of being pregnant and of children a very strange societal sickness.
 
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Feminists really should reconsider this line of thought. The idea that having breasts and uterus is a medical problem that demands medicalized solutions (reductions, hysterectomies, tubal ligations...) is part of what makes trooning out appeal to little girls in the first place. You gals start to sound like my Calvinist grandmother ranting about the "curse of Eve." You don't hear men decrying testes, et al, as medically suspect burdens.

This isn't to belittle the enormity of pregnancy and what it means for women. It's a big deal. But when we encourage the thought that kids are not up to handling big deals and should find a way out of them, society goes to hell pretty quick-like.
This attitude of feminists about how they need to be able to get organs removed, abort, etc in order to not be oppressed as women due to our organs fully supports troonism. There is no reason why they shouldn’t join the troons in demanding womb transplant technology if this is the way they view womanhood.
It's really too bad the Last Psychiatrist is gone. He explained how this works so well. It's a kind of "you learn to know it when you see it" about who can get SSI or similar benefits. SSI is used to subsidize the ghettos, to stave off riots. It's used to reinforce certain pipelines the system wants to keep in operation. It isn't really about someone being more disabled than someone else
I want to refrain from fully sperging about this but I looked up the post you're referencing which is from 13 years ago and does not seem accurate to my experience with helping people get SSI which can be truly a nightmare, but I usually am working with intellectually disabled so seemingly less subjective disabilities. also claims in that post seem false on its face since at least half of SSI claims are denied on the final decision and there's no epidemic of depression diagnoses among ghetto blacks
 
I actually had no idea what the fuck this one was when I first unblurred the image, I thought it was a MTF with the infection being so bad that it's spilling out but it turns out it's actually a failed FTM Phalloplasty.

I'm going to give you a warning in the form of a Twitter comment in response to the spoilered picture, partly because it's apt but also because the term is amusing.
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Not quite sure why all these images are all from this 1 Twitter account (SapphoLives83) now all of a sudden, could even be a repost.
The end (or what's left of it) vaguely resembles a cut-in-half plum that is starting to react to the air/rot.
 
I actually had no idea what the fuck this one was when I first unblurred the image, I thought it was a MTF with the infection being so bad that it's spilling out but it turns out it's actually a failed FTM Phalloplasty.

I'm going to give you a warning in the form of a Twitter comment in response to the spoilered picture, partly because it's apt but also because the term is amusing.
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Not quite sure why all these images are all from this 1 Twitter account (SapphoLives83) now all of a sudden, could even be a repost.
The end (or what's left of it) vaguely resembles a cut-in-half plum that is starting to react to the air/rot.
My mother about a decade ago was in the hospital with rectal cancer and got a bed sore it became necrotic they did surgery ASAP and since it was on her back side they gave her an ostomy for recovery so no fecal matter would get into the healing wound. Yet they'll let a pooner's rot dog turn into something that looks like a rotted mushroom and charge them for it. Yet we're the "Monsters" causing their "Genocide".
 
I actually had no idea what the fuck this one was when I first unblurred the image, I thought it was a MTF with the infection being so bad that it's spilling out but it turns out it's actually a failed FTM Phalloplasty.

I'm going to give you a warning in the form of a Twitter comment in response to the spoilered picture, partly because it's apt but also because the term is amusing.
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Not quite sure why all these images are all from this 1 Twitter account (SapphoLives83) now all of a sudden, could even be a repost.
The end (or what's left of it) vaguely resembles a cut-in-half plum that is starting to react to the air/rot.
it's tree mushrooms fungus! (I can't get the picture to imbed)
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I actually had no idea what the fuck this one was when I first unblurred the image, I thought it was a MTF with the infection being so bad that it's spilling out but it turns out it's actually a failed FTM Phalloplasty.

I'm going to give you a warning in the form of a Twitter comment in response to the spoilered picture, partly because it's apt but also because the term is amusing.
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If you still want to see it, then unspoiler the image, it's NSFW.
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Not quite sure why all these images are all from this 1 Twitter account (SapphoLives83) now all of a sudden, could even be a repost.
The end (or what's left of it) vaguely resembles a cut-in-half plum that is starting to react to the air/rot.
Are you fucking serious....it looks like she's giving birth to a clicker from The Last of Us.
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Guy tricks another guy into attempting to fuck his stinkditch, worries he was clocked
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Question for PIV girls. Did someone ever clock your vagina? (self.Transgender_Surgeries)
- natti999
Hi ladies. Sorry in advance for using a triggering word in the title. I’m about 6 months post op by reputable NYC surgeon and finally tried hooking up with this guy through vaginal sex but I was too tight—even with lube. We winded up having anal sex instead. After everything he asks me if I ever had any surgery, and I couldn’t tell if he was implying about my vagina or not. I simply avoided the question and talked about something else.
My question is, has anyone been clocked in that way before? Could it be that maybe my neo vagina still looks funny or that it was too tight? I feel so upset and scared for some reason.
Also, I understand the risks and consequences on trying to live stealth during these times. This was just a one time fling, but his comment really left an impression on me.
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CeronusBugbear 16 points 10 hours ago
every single person I've had sex with, yes
GeeSuspended 3 points 9 hours ago​
Was there any reason why? I know surgery isn’t 100% but I always thought it would be mostly there?​
CeronusBugbear 23 points 9 hours ago​
I had complications during the surgery, but I had a revision. The issue I have still is there is too much erectile tissue remaining at the vestibule, which gets erect when I am aroused and makes penetration difficult. No amount of dilating can fix that.​
On the other hand, I have slept with several post-op trans women, and most of those who do not even have the same complications are still clockable. The main difference is the vestibule, which for a transgender woman is separate from the labia minora and doesn't spread open the same way as it does for the majority of cissexual women.​
Anyone who gets intimate with you will likely notice there is a "difference" from the majority of other vulvas that they have encountered. Even the best results are still slightly different from a cissexual vagina. Assuming you have more than a one-night stand with a partner, they will eventually notice that difference.​
52jag 8 points 8 hours ago​
I’ve also read posts of men who “bottomed out” in neo-vaginas in a way they did not in cis women.​
srs_17_anon -10 points 7 hours ago​
That's so not true, you can't really speak for everyone's results. There's literally been OBGYNs that can't tell apart neo from natal. You're giving cis men way too much credit on their knowledge of a woman's anatomy.​
CeronusBugbear 10 points 6 hours ago​
And you are believing anecdotes on the internet that confirm your biases while dismissing anecdotes that challenge it.​
Coping pooner tells him they probably thought he was a woman who had surgery to make her tighter
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Imhereforthewearp 42 points 12 hours ago
I'm a trans man, so I can not answer the direct question you have. However, my cis fiancée is extremely tight and has issues with penetration.
Someone who is used to penetrating natal vaginas most likely would assume the tightness is due to surgery to make you tighter. More than likely, you weren't clocked. He was just wondering if you did something to make yourself tighter, and that's where the problem came from. It's something my fiancée has been asked before.
More often than not, cis men really don't know much about vaginas. They all look extremely different, so they wouldn't be able to look at it and think anything different of them. And they don't often know that there can be varying levels of tightness, with or without surgery.
 
There's literally been OBGYNs that can't tell apart neo from natal.
Yeah, because the smell of rotting flesh and smegma is totally what natal vaginas smell like!
Our vaginas look just like an inverted penis! I mean, you may have to dilate to keep your manmade flesh cave open, but that doesn’t make our vaginas any different, even though ours were designed to stretch and retract back to size after giving birth.
No way you could tell the difference. Right down to its position on your pelvis, on your totally not narrow and 100% real-woman-birthing-giving hips.
Smells, looks and tastes like the real thing.
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