RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

[Fougaro]

 

[Random Internet Person]

There's a real chance this is the final fight we'll ever see in this show.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Homophobic Ruby is a hell of a note to go out on, admittedly.

 

[Timaeus Testified]

Curious how the writers manage to write themselves out of this corner, if Season 10 gets greenlit. Salem has the Staff of Creation now; there's nothing stopping her form having Ambrosius create a bunch of bombs & carpet-bombing Vacuo or wherever she meets any resistance.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

bunch of bombs & carpet-bombing Vacuo or wherever she meets any resistance.

Wouldn’t the rules only allow him to create one at a time? Guess it could be a super bomb

 

[Random Internet Person]

Curious how the writers manage to write themselves out of this corner, if Season 10 gets greenlit. Salem has the Staff of Creation now; there's nothing stopping her form having Ambrosius create a bunch of bombs & carpet-bombing Vacuo or wherever she meets any resistance.

I have one question: What would Masashi Kishimoto do?

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Curious how the writers manage to write themselves out of this corner, if Season 10 gets greenlit. Salem has the Staff of Creation now; there's nothing stopping her form having Ambrosius create a bunch of bombs & carpet-bombing Vacuo or wherever she meets any resistance.

Considering how they confirm in the vol 8 commentary that Ambrosius let Ruby cheat his powers just because he appreciated the attempt, I wouldn't be surprise if the protagonist favouritism just allows him to go 'Nah, I won't help Salem' for the laziest cop-out.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Considering how they confirm in the vol 8 commentary that Ambrosius let Ruby cheat his powers just because he appreciated the attempt, I wouldn't be surprise if the protagonist favouritism just allows him to go 'Nah, I won't help Salem' for the laziest cop-out.

Ruby to Jinn: “Can I cheat your powers?”
Jinn: “yeah, sure”

Cinder to Jinn: “tell me Ruby’s plan”
Jinn: “I am super upset, visibly so, but I can’t do favorism, so guess gotta reveal plan”

Do you think this will happen again? Where they essentially pretend the relics can’t pick favorites? Also, as an aside everything about Ambrosius’ rules and what follows after is either needleslly complicated to such an extent the writers have to create loopholes to uncomplicate stuff, either make his powers less useful than Jinn’s (Jinn’s powers are truth with the only downside that she is a journalist and so her truth has a lot of opinions mixed in with no disclaimers; Ambrosius powers are to essentially to cut out time of labor out of any project (you need plans and explanations for your project, materials if you don’t want your project to disappear, and a lawyer to make sure the spirit doesn’t jew you out. In short his power is essentially to import third world immigrants compared to Jinn’s power of all-knowingness); or actively suspend the rules (I don’t remember Team RWBY explaining the physics behind the portals to the spirit, nor do I remember them solving the “make new body for Penny” issue with anything else than “just do it, nigga, I am the protag”. I don’t like the relic of creation and the plot revolving around it seemed at best like a first draft

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

Considering how they confirm in the vol 8 commentary that Ambrosius let Ruby cheat his powers just because he appreciated the attempt, I wouldn't be surprise if the protagonist favouritism just allows him to go 'Nah, I won't help Salem' for the laziest cop-out.

Funny part is, this could actually work as a plotline instead of a cop-out. However, RWBY would need to accept that it's essentially a bad gag series that hasn't realised it's a gag series yet.

I'm not even joking that exact protagonist favouritism was actually a plot part of a recent gag manga that ended, & was actually fun in it.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Ruby to Jinn: “Can I cheat your powers?”
Jinn: “yeah, sure”

Cinder to Jinn: “tell me Ruby’s plan”
Jinn: “I am super upset, visibly so, but I can’t do favorism, so guess gotta reveal plan”

I still laugh my ass off at how badly Jinn fucked Ozma over. He asks an open-ended question, gets a direct answer that will probably be revealed to be "Well, yeah, you only asked about YOUR capability, not just in general.". Ruby and Cinder ask, get a fucking power point presentation that even includes details that don't really matter to the original question.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Funny part is, this could actually work as a plotline instead of a cop-out. However, RWBY would need to accept that it's essentially a bad gag series that hasn't realised it's a gag series yet.

I'm not even joking that exact protagonist favouritism was actually a plot part of a recent gag manga that ended, & was actually fun in it.

Sounds like we need someone like Akira Toriyama to write this series.

I still laugh my ass off at how badly Jinn fucked Ozma over. He asks an open-ended question, gets a direct answer that will probably be revealed to be "Well, yeah, you only asked about YOUR capability, not just in general.". Ruby and Cinder ask, get a fucking power point presentation that even includes details that don't really matter to the original question.

I thought it was well established in the fantasy genre that genies are assholes. Also, I remember back then the show was REALLY trying to backtrack as making Ozpin look worse than they wanted to. Unintentionally if you ask me.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

However, RWBY would need to accept that it's essentially a bad gag series that hasn't realised it's a gag series yet.

They tried that angle with Chibi. Humor angle requires humor, and while I enjoyed their Chibi sketches, one of the last things they were was funny. I mean, some were. The Roman dream sequence/Blake racial profiling joke (which was actually a good joke and great commentary and it would get canceled for both nowadays). They tried humor angle with their main show too. As I understand it, Little was supposed to be comic relief, but I really didn’t find any of the scenes funny (partially because they reused the same joke over and over), though I hear some people did.

Curious how the writers manage to write themselves out of this corner, if Season 10 gets greenlit. Salem has the Staff of Creation now; there's nothing stopping her form having Ambrosius create a bunch of bombs & carpet-bombing Vacuo or wherever she meets any resistance.

Well, if they reveal that both Ozpin and Jinn are wrong about her goals and her goal isn’t genocide of human race and her own death, but something else, her not setting vaccuo on fire (like Cinder did to watts and his surrounding area) could possibly make sense.

over. He asks an open-ended question, gets a direct answer that will probably be revealed to be "Well, yeah, you only asked about YOUR capability, not just in general.".

I always thought that the problem was that he asked “how do I destroy Salem” instead of “how do I stop Salem”. For all we know freezing her with Ice Dust when she’s out of aura and magic would suffice. Your version never occurred to me.

Ruby and Cinder ask, get a fucking power point presentation that even includes details that don't really matter to the original question.

What has always confused me was if the visual shit is what the character see too. The visual stuff is 100% true, free from Jinn’s journalistic tendency to add needless opinions disgused as facts. In vol 6 when she’s explaining Salem’s history we get her saying that Salem’s fully creature of destruction and something like that, and when Jinn shuts up minute later we see Salem proposing to Ozpin to make a world a better place, doing just that, having children with a man she loves, etc. She only turned evil after one argument accidently ended in one of them murdering all of their children (unfortunate)

Sounds like we need someone like Akira Toriyama to write this series.

Post DB he’s not that much a gag writter. Sure they made a few appearances in DBZ and DBS, but DB had entire arcs dedicated to gags, IIRC

Also, I remember back then the show was REALLY trying to backtrack as making Ozpin look worse than they wanted to

I always thought they did it as an excuse to have a Dumbledore scenario. Super powerful and useful good guy who always conveniently is not where the bad guy is and can’t help.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I always thought they did it as an excuse to have a Dumbledore scenario. Super powerful and useful good guy who always conveniently is not where the bad guy is and can’t help.

That's what I've heard as well. Instead, I'd say V5 had folks probably asking if Ozpin was the real villain all along. And if the words of Soarel were onto something (ask a RWBY fan about that guy sometime).

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Instead, I'd say V5 had folks probably asking if Ozpin was the real villain all along.

Wasn’t that started in Vol 6 when for no reason at all Ozpin declined to give his team vital info and put innocent people (on that train) in danger of being slaughtered by Grimm? Ozpin did a cope of “I don’t know who I can trust”, but Nigga they would find out anyway, and you are literally trusting them with the relic anyway. It’s not like that scene couldn’t have been done well. Here’s a better alt that I came up in like 10 seconds:

Ozpin explains that since he is like hundreds of years old he got used to thinking some things are just known and forgot that he never explained how relics worked to anyone. If he spent hundreds of years making plans about the relics without telling anyone, it could make sense that he forgot that he needs to explain the fact that they attract Grimm. In his mind, that is as clear as the sky being blue. When you talk with someone, you presume they know at least the bare basics on the topic, and in his mind that could be it. Considering how many times he has been reborn and that he probably confined in more people than Goodwitch, Raven, Tai, Qrow, Ironwood, Theodore, Lionheart, exactly what he said and to whom could very well be fogged up in his memory. It’s not perfect, but they’d get to keep the scene, make Ozpin look somewhat unreliable, and still make it make some sort of sense.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I'm probably a season or 3 behind on this, have a high bullshit tolerance and enjoy laughing at terrible writing to the degree that I watched the last season of the CW Flash, though reluctantly. Worth catching up?

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

And if the words of Soarel were onto something (ask a RWBY fan about that guy sometime).

That's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Weren't they a Cinder simp who went fucking crazy?

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Worth catching up?

My opinion on this is somewhat unpopular, I take it, but yeah. Vol 6 is bad with some good in it, Vol 7 is meh (if you can ignore one of the main characters becoming braindead because she likes pussy), Vol 8 starts of braindead retarded, but actually gets really really good (ending is shit though, and there is a bit too much “we’re gonna kill this character, ha! Jokes on you, no we’re not, wait yes we are” and this repeats like 5 different times), and Vol 9 is decent if you don’t mind the fact that most of it is just Blake fangirling that she is a self-insert OC in her favorite story. It has some nice scenes, some lore dumps, set ups for vol 10, Raven’s back for like 2 minutes, etc.

Weren't they a Cinder simp who went fucking crazy?

I hate Cinder, she should have died in Vol 5

 

[Mega Black]

Curious how the writers manage to write themselves out of this corner, if Season 10 gets greenlit. Salem has the Staff of Creation now; there's nothing stopping her form having Ambrosius create a bunch of bombs & carpet-bombing Vacuo or wherever she meets any resistance.

The writers are much too stupid to have her use it in a simple and effective way. At best she'll make some retarded new house or a big Grimm pool with it.

I'm probably a season or 3 behind on this, have a high bullshit tolerance and enjoy laughing at terrible writing to the degree that I watched the last season of the CW Flash, though reluctantly. Worth catching up?

RWBY is fascinating in that it has, bar none, some of the most terrible writing of any show ever but it manages to keep coasting along in spite of itself. Most intriguing, it manages to find new and embarrassing ways to be terrible in almost every season.

It is worth watching if you have a good storytelling bone in your body and are interested in seeing a show fuck up basic and complicated shit at every turn. Almost every element of the storytelling is broken, from the fundamental elements of the worldbuilding to romance, to character writing, even the timelines are totally wrecked.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

or a big Grimm pool with it.

Tbf, more Grimm wouldn’t be the worst idea especially if she could make it spawn the evolved Grimm we saw in Vol 3. That actually might be more useful in the long run, though again, depends on her goals.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Wasn’t that started in Vol 6 when for no reason at all Ozpin declined to give his team vital info and put innocent people (on that train) in danger of being slaughtered by Grimm? Ozpin did a cope of “I don’t know who I can trust”, but Nigga they would find out anyway, and you are literally trusting them with the relic anyway. It’s not like that scene couldn’t have been done well. Here’s a better alt that I came up in like 10 seconds:

Ozpin explains that since he is like hundreds of years old he got used to thinking some things are just known and forgot that he never explained how relics worked to anyone. If he spent hundreds of years making plans about the relics without telling anyone, it could make sense that he forgot that he needs to explain the fact that they attract Grimm. In his mind, that is as clear as the sky being blue. When you talk with someone, you presume they know at least the bare basics on the topic, and in his mind that could be it. Considering how many times he has been reborn and that he probably confined in more people than Goodwitch, Raven, Tai, Qrow, Ironwood, Theodore, Lionheart, exactly what he said and to whom could very well be fogged up in his memory. It’s not perfect, but they’d get to keep the scene, make Ozpin look somewhat unreliable, and still make it make some sort of sense.

I'd say it's more in V5, the way Ozpiniwas talked about as "having followers all over Remnant" by Raven, who fucked off from Ozin and Team STRQ ages ago and seemed to really hate Ozpin, as well as the anger over the bird thing, only for Qrow to go "Yang, that's enough. We made a choice." Also, the fact that Ozpin chose Phyrra to be the Fall Maiden instead of Glynda, a member of his inner circle, or any of the huntresses he knew, and Hazel's anger at Ozpin and blaming him for the death of her sister, along with nothing heard about Summer Rose's death, made the argument that Ozpin was a sinister man playing a game of cosmic chess with Salem, and Ruby and her friends were merely his pawns in that chess game. And in the grand scheme of things, Ozpin only saw Ruby and company as disposable tools, and he will lie by omission and to Ozpin "making a choice" really means "being manipulated into making the choice that Ozpin wants you to make because it's to his benefit, and what happens to you in the long term is rather irrelevant".

That's the idea of "Ozpin is the real villain" and how V5 played into it.

That's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Weren't they a Cinder simp who went fucking crazy?

Pretty much. Basically, take the songs "Divide" and "Sacrifice" from the V2 (I believe) soundtrack, and basically the hypothesis is that "Ozpin is the shadow emperor of Remnant and Cinder (and maybe Salem along with her) are basically revolutionaries fighting to destroy his stranglehold. How does Team RWBY fit into this? Apparently they realize the chess game being played, and they take out both sides because they refuse to be pawns.


Also, he believes that Monty was responsible for pretty much everything, nothing was allowed to happen without his approval or adhering to his guide, and Miles and Kerry had no real effect except "writing dialogue", and that when Monty died, they and the rest of CRWBY went straight away from what Monty had planned, and Shane's letter and the fact the V2 stinger amounted to nothing proves it.

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