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[General Emílio Médici]

At least with the theories about Yuri Gagarin not being the first you at least have the argument that the Soviets were lying about the contents of the launches, not the launches themselves. The USA could tell they sent rockets up as could likely the UK and France but they couldn't tell what the payloads were.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

At least with the theories about Yuri Gagarin not being the first you at least have the argument that the Soviets were lying about the contents of the launches, not the launches themselves. The USA could tell they sent rockets up as could likely the UK and France but they couldn't tell what the payloads were.

"we is am just lost glorious non-inhabited satellite of the people, comrade"

 

[Breadbassket]

That's not a reversal at all. It's called the first group not giving the full story, if not outright lying.

At the core it's a clash of mindset.

Power and objectives vs principles and dignity. From the perspective of a "mainstream" voter, the American Left is pursuing some delusional idea of utopia only they can see by any means necessary and the American Right is seemingly unaware of the sheer magnitude of how many important institutions have been slowly captured over time and may be used against them. It doesn't really help that when it usually comes to politicians one side is playing for keeps and has been for a while while their opposites think it's typically gravy train business as usual and change their convictions the second they suffer anything resembling a major setback.

 

[Omen_Sulk]

A better argument for the moon landing being real is the fact the Soviets never called BS on it.

You were right in the middle of the Cold War. Who is going to believe the Soviets? Plus the US was pretty much at the height of their power globally.

Just imagine, it's 1969 you just saw the Moon Landing on TV. Then a Soviet TV newscaster holds up a black photograph, saying that the telemetry data provided says the Lunar module should be orbiting here, but theres nothing.

Who are you going to believe?

The USSR would be a laughing stock.

Besides, these days, with the US global power waning, Russia is hinting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/06/17/russian-official-wants-to-investigate-whether-u-s-moon-landings-actually-happened/

 

[April Ryan]

It has been proven, again and again, that the technology to fake the moon landing is many decades more advanced than the technology needed to just go.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

It has been proven, again and again, that the technology to fake the moon landing is many decades more advanced than the technology needed to just go.

iirc an above-average home rig is enough to see some of the crap left up there, too

 

[Omen_Sulk]

It has been proven, again and again, that the technology to fake the moon landing is many decades more advanced than the technology needed to just go.

What technology?

 

[The Ugly One]

It has been proven, again and again, that the technology to fake the moon landing is many decades more advanced than the technology needed to just go.

Going to the moon with 1960s technology seems impossible until you remember that the SR-71 was going Mach 3 in the stratosphere with a lot of 1950s technology.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Going to the moon with 1960s technology seems impossible until you remember that the SR-71 was going Mach 3 in the stratosphere with 1950s technology.

IT's the whole "Oh, I PERSONALLY can't imagine how someone could do anything without modern technology, that means they obviously didn't!" you see all the time with Millennials and Gen-Z. Gen-X and Boomers not as much, but they still have them.

Like most people think that medieval, iron age, or bronze age people were just complete retards and if THEY were alive back then they would have started shooting laser rifles or some shit.

Every try to explain to one of these jackholes while civilizations that had slavery in the early days far outstripped the others? They literally can't comprehend that the world was different.

"They can't have gone to the moon in the 1960's because, I, personally, can't understand how a fucking light switch works or what makes a refrigerator works."

 

[The Ugly One]

One possible tactic they can use to effectively keep Trump out of the race is to basically say all campaigning he does is interfering with the trials. He'd be unable to speak in public and therefore unable to run.

They tried everything they could during his Presidency, threw everything at the wall to see what would stick. Now the stakes are higher.

I am convinced he will not be allowed on the ballot. If he is, there will be no election for "reasons."

We are in end stage Roman Republic shit. By 2030 or so we will be a dictatorship with fake trappings of democratic offices much like Imperial Rome.

The only question now is will the Optimates or Populares win.

Democracy means you have a government that the U.S. Department of State approves of, and they didn't approve of Trump.

 

[Afinepickle]

Like most people think that medieval, iron age, or bronze age people were just complete retards and if THEY were alive back then they would have started shooting laser rifles or some shit.

Every try to explain to one of these jackholes while civilizations that had slavery in the early days far outstripped the others? They literally can't comprehend that the world was different.

"They can't have gone to the moon in the 1960's because, I, personally, can't understand how a fucking light switch works or what makes a refrigerator works."

It's classic technophilia.

You have these autists who's obsession with the post microchip age and modern technology borders on being genuinely religious so the idea that anyone before the Industrial Revolution was capable of more than sitting around and eating rocks breaks their brains on an existential level.

It's why the whole "lulz aliens did it" shit is so appealing to them when it come to shit like the Pyramids, it lets them keep their confirmation bias.

 

[Glowing In The Streets]

Democracy means you have a government that the U.S. Department of State approves of, and they didn't approve of Trump.

Democracy means you have a government the Democrats approve of.
dont believe me? it's in the name!

 

[General Emílio Médici]

What technology?

Laser telescopes. You can aim some pretty strong lasers at the moon and measure the photons back, and you can tell when you hit one of the special mirrors the Apollo missions left there when you have a actual bounce.

Though not sure you can do it with "home tech" right now, but a autist could manage it.

 

[The Ugly One]

It's classic technophilia.

You have these autists who's obsession with the post microchip age and modern technology borders on being genuinely religious so the idea that anyone before the Industrial Revolution was capable of more than sitting around and eating rocks breaks their brains on an existential level.

It's why the whole "lulz aliens did it" shit is so appealing to them when it come to shit like the Pyramids, it lets them keep their confirmation bias.

Another factor is that technology is magic to a lot of people. If you have some decent understanding of physics and engineering, or you've worked around related technologies, it demystifies the whole notion of going to the moon. I've never met an aerospace or mechanical engineer who thinks the moon landing couldn't have been pulled off with 60s tech. It's deeply humbling to see what those guys did with slide rules and drafting paper, but impossible? Hardly. It's all pretty straightforward physics at the end of the day, just done in the cowboy days when test pilots occasionally died in fiery explosions and NASA simulation codes were a distant dream yet. The rate of aerospace technological advance in the 1950s and 60s was insane. It moved as fast as computers did in the 90s and 00s.

 

[Omen_Sulk]

IT's the whole "Oh, I PERSONALLY can't imagine how someone could do anything without modern technology, that means they obviously didn't!" you see all the time with Millennials and Gen-Z. Gen-X and Boomers not as much, but they still have them.

Another factor is that technology is magic to a lot of people. If you have some decent understanding of physics and engineering, or you've worked around related technologies, it demystifies the whole notion of going to the moon. I've never met an aerospace or mechanical engineer who thinks the moon landing couldn't have been pulled off with 60s tech.

I'm not a fan of that theory, it's just that things continually come from official or former official sources, suggesting it didn't happen. And it seems that the only 2 responses I get is.

"The Soviets would've said something"

"Movie effects weren't up to that standard"

It doesn't really matter, you won't change any minds anyway.

 

[Betonhaus]

I think the dead give away that it was fake was that they filmed man's first step on the moon. Who was holding the camera?

Rule of thumb is that the cameraman technically does not exist and so earns no records.

 

[Random Internet Person]

They decide whether the law is constitution/applied correctly. They won’t declare you’re innocent but they can reverse the conviction and order the district court to dismiss the case. However, Supreme Court technically only has the authority to hear and decide cases involving federal law or constitutional issues (bar exceptions of original jurisdiction). Luckily for Trump, things he is charged for both involve federal law and constitutional issues.

And people were saying that the 2020 election could be sent to the SC back when the drama was fresh. And that was BEFORE Biden had a justice pick and AFTER Trump had his picks confirmed.

What makes you think they’ll take the case this time?

 

[Scale Smerch]

It's all pretty straightforward physics at the end of the day, just done in the cowboy days when test pilots occasionally died in fiery explosions and NASA simulation codes were a distant dream yet.

I really miss this era. We could've already had a man (man) on Mars, but oh gosh oh jolly oh gee just cannot do because it won't make Raytheon money and give the Democrats positive media articles. Why would we do something that doesn't make our stakeholders money and give plenty of positive attention?

No wonder these half-wit morons hate Musk: he's promoting and doing what we should've done back in the 80s and 90s.

 

[Sithis]

I really miss this era. We could've already had a man (man) on Mars, but oh gosh oh jolly oh gee just cannot do because it won't make Raytheon money and give the Democrats positive media articles. Why would we do something that doesn't make our stakeholders money and give plenty of positive attention?

No wonder these half-wit morons hate Musk: he's promoting and doing what we should've done back in the 80s and 90s.

There's a certain irony in the fact that the same crowd of people (leftists) who were screeching at us back then about how Christian conservatives were holding back progress and would keep humans from ever advancing science to the point of space travel, are now in charge of all branches of government and the media and are actively sabotaging any hope we have of efficient space travel in our lifetimes.

 

[mandatorylurk]

And people were saying that the 2020 election could be sent to the SC back when the drama was fresh. And that was BEFORE Biden had a justice pick and AFTER Trump had his picks confirmed.

What makes you think they’ll take the case this time?

After December 2020 there was no reason to believe SCOTUS would do anything. And they thought things would cool down and go back to normal, but then you had Biden continually pushing more and more bullshit and we even had the justices be targeted for violence by leftist crazies.

To do nothing now would mean the DOJ is the new most powerful branch of government with no checks. If they push through on Trump they will absolutely start after judges themselves for what they perceive to be wrong rulings, because there is nothing to stop them if they allow this.