Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
Since dating apps have come up, this is what happens to men and women over the course of four hours on Tinder:
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From their algorithm, the researchers were able to get data on how 230,000 men and 250,000 women used Tinder, by looking at their behaviour when trying to match with someone, and after a mutual like had taken place.

Overall, the study found that men tended to like a large number of users, but only received a 0.6% match rate.

On the other hand, women tended to like less, but had a 10% match rate.

Interestingly, when looking at different match rates between genders, the team found that male users tended to receive more likes from other men.

Tyson explained: “Even though the male:female ratio in our dataset is roughly even, on average, 86% of all the matches our male profiles receive come from other men.

“Homosexual men are far more active in liking than heterosexual women.”
You have a better chance getting a bro job on Tinder than an actual date with a woman.

 
Since dating apps have come up, this is what happens to men and women over the course of four hours on Tinder:
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You have a better chance getting a bro job on Tinder than an actual date with a woman.

Keep in mind that a lot of guys will swipe right on most female users just to have someone to talk to, if you want to play the numbers game they basically make it so that you have to pay for gold or premium or whatever.
 
Funny, isn't it? They fret so much over the ability to find a mate that they can't imagine that it being something that's merely okay and comes with a lot of significant downsides.
To be fair, with how society has been conditioned not having one has you looked down on and treated as a circus freak, a failure, or the lowest of the low (worse than a pedophile to some people). Like I even see it now online in certain forums: When people talk about what's happening in the west people always start pointing the finger at the "single, childless people" being responsible for everything going wrong instead of looking at their own inaction or ignoring of warnings or whatnot. That's not to discount them but they are much a part of this issue as everyone else.

I can't blame incels for wanting to be "left alone" to some degree or at least not treated as a human garbage can.
 
When people talk about what's happening in the west people always start pointing the finger at the "single, childless people" being responsible for everything going wrong
I always thought that was in the context of soy manchild consoomer "I just love the hustle and bustle of the big city" types, but maybe I've just not been exposed to it. Frankly, I find it difficult to care what strangers on the Internet think of my lifestyle.

I mean, what are they going to do, ostracize me? No, Brer Fox - please don't throw me in the briar patch!
 
Funny, isn't it? They fret so much over the ability to find a mate that they can't imagine that it being something that's merely okay and comes with a lot of significant downsides.
Ehh... I don't know about "mate" in this context. I think there's a difference between "I can't find someone I'd be willing to spend the rest of my life with" and "I've never found someone willing to hold hands with me once just to see how it is".

The first is probably survivable. The second one is rough.

I, uh... assume...
 
I always thought that was in the context of soy manchild consoomer "I just love the hustle and bustle of the big city" types, but maybe I've just not been exposed to it. Frankly, I find it difficult to care what strangers on the Internet think of my lifestyle.

I mean, what are they going to do, ostracize me? No, Brer Fox - please don't throw me in the briar patch!
True, often I feel it's best to ignore the scrutiny myself, but I'm sure some get mistreated in social circles (which can effect business opportunities and more) and so on so forth by being the "loveless loser." Generally I didn't originally see it as that big of an issue for incels, but I have noticed the uptick of trying to make inceldom the new "original sin" after being a "White christian male" it also doesn't help it's aimed at young inexperienced males who don't know better or still haven't fully discovered themselves so they're more likely to be effected by this perception for better or for worse.
 
Funny, isn't it? They fret so much over the ability to find a mate that they can't imagine that it being something that's merely okay and comes with a lot of significant downsides.
Honestly, I think that they just want to experience the physical intimacy side of things, but they don't realize that dead bedrooms are a thing. I'm in my thirties and my parents visited from out of town, and when the subject came up, I explained my views on it to some extent. I don't know if they "get it" but I would like to think that I at least got them to at least partially understand my side of the story on certain things.

I've been where the incels are at one point in my life, and thought I'd be alone for the rest of my life and all that, but it's not so much the lack of a partner that drives them up the wall, it's that they want to experience the good side of that world and don't know where to start. It doesn't really help matters that they outcast people who actually do manage to finally have sex or whatever, as they could stand to learn something from those who have "ascended" as they call it. If they don't want to listen to people who have been on both sides of the fence, there really isn't anything that can be done about it.
True, often I feel it's best to ignore the scrutiny myself, but I'm sure some get mistreated in social circles (which can effect business opportunities and more) and so on so forth by being the "loveless loser." Generally I didn't originally see it as that big of an issue for incels, but I have noticed the uptick of trying to make inceldom the new "original sin" after being a "White christian male" it also doesn't help it's aimed at young inexperienced males who don't know better or still haven't fully discovered themselves so they're more likely to be effected by this perception for better or for worse.
Come to think of it, similar situations is what makes things like Satanism seem attractive to teenagers. Telling them that they have to obey all these stupid rules or they'll go to Hell makes them look for alternative viewpoints to the status quo. If I'm going to Hell anyway, I might as well rule in Hell.
I always thought that was in the context of soy manchild consoomer "I just love the hustle and bustle of the big city" types, but maybe I've just not been exposed to it. Frankly, I find it difficult to care what strangers on the Internet think of my lifestyle.

I mean, what are they going to do, ostracize me? No, Brer Fox - please don't throw me in the briar patch!
So if I don't want to be a Bob Chipman clone, I'm a fucking Nazi? LOL. These people are more fascist than the fascists!
 
Ehh... I don't know about "mate" in this context. I think there's a difference between "I can't find someone I'd be willing to spend the rest of my life with" and "I've never found someone willing to hold hands with me once just to see how it is".

The first is probably survivable. The second one is rough.

I, uh... assume...
Once the novelty of sex wears off, it's like having one friend who you're OBLIGATED to spend lots of time with and under the implicit assumption that you'll eventually live together and spend every waking moment with unless you have some specific reason not to.

I dunno, most people seem to really like it and become existentially despondent if they don't have it for some reason. I'm probably not the best person to speak on such matters.

I've been where the incels are at one point in my life, and thought I'd be alone for the rest of my life and all that, but it's not so much the lack of a partner that drives them up the wall, it's that they want to experience the good side of that world and don't know where to start. It doesn't really help matters that they outcast people who actually do manage to finally have sex or whatever, as they could stand to learn something from those who have "ascended" as they call it. If they don't want to listen to people who have been on both sides of the fence, there really isn't anything that can be done about it.
Oh, for sure. In my late teens and early 20s, the idea of having an attractive young woman eager to be around me and thinking "Oh my God, can I have ONE FUCKING DAY to myself?" would've been unimaginable.

I guess we all just have to experience it for ourselves before we can truly understand it.
 
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Oh, for sure. In my late teens and early 20s, the idea of having an attractive young woman eager to be around me and thinking "Oh my God, can I have ONE FUCKING DAY to myself?" would've been unimaginable.

I guess we all just have to experience it for ourselves before we can truly understand it.
These guys see the stuff happen in high school and college and are often really young and have little to their name in financial resources, personal achievements, etc., and have no idea what they have to do to make it happen. Some like myself just bided their time and did what they had to do to get school shit over with, in the hope that things would be better in the future. A lot of these guys treat it like a dating sim, where they have to get certain stats and come back later when they're >9000 Gigachads or whatever, and then of course they'll say yes! I mean, it's not like she remembers you were once this short, chubby, awkward weeaboo at one point and is now suddenly MAXXXED OUT TO THE MAXXX and there's NO WAY she'd say no to you, is it?

You may have gone from a Level 0 awkward peasant with a plastic butter knife and cardboard vest to some axe wielding muscled barbarian with all your skill slots filled in every way, but she'll still see you as a peasant and will never want anything to do with you.
 
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From my experience, the general population of girls typically are interested in:: Average clothes/makeup shopping, a band they like are in town on tour, their favorite Netflix series at the moment, a movie they saw advertised everywhere they want to see, maybe a big story happening in the news, maybe a new activity they want to try once, craft class/parasailing/a new restaurant. Oh and they want to travel to other countries.
You left out wine and "hiking" (read: taking Instagram selfies outdoors)
 
I can't blame incels for wanting to be "left alone" to some degree or at least not treated as a human garbage can.

The amount of murders linked to incels (which could be just put down to mental illness) sits something around 26 in 20 years. However reading all the news sites, and their regular coverage of incels, you'd think you'd walk out the door and theres a crime wave of incels beating Women in the streets.
 
I have 13 matches on Tinder right now. 6 list themselves as "genderfluid," four are bisexual, 7 are heavily tattooed, and 5 are single mothers.

It is fucking dismal out there. Where are the normal people?
 
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The amount of murders linked to incels (which could be just put down to mental illness) sits something around 26 in 20 years. However reading all the news sites, and their regular coverage of incels, you'd think you'd walk out the door and theres a crime wave of incels beating Women in the streets.
The difference is that gangbangers and serial killers tend to attract women more than some sad loser in his parents' basement.

We're not allowed to mock anyone else anymore so this is literally all that's allowed. Still, just because a guy isn't having sex with anything that walks doesn't mean he's a gross sperg that should be shunned.

Granted, it would be nice to have someone there for you when you get home from work but the baggage that often comes with that makes it not worth it in many cases.
 
Granted, it would be nice to have someone there for you when you get home from work but the baggage that often comes with that makes it not worth it in many cases.

GIrls are typically pleasant to be around normally. But when you get into a relationship, they tend to drop the "adulting" mask as the redditors like to say. Then you see who they really are privately.
 
GIrls are typically pleasant to be around normally. But when you get into a relationship, they tend to drop the "adulting" mask as the redditors like to say. Then you see who they really are privately.
Yeah they want you to be an emotional tampon while she's browsing Tinder for Chads. Seriously it's a miracle that humans have not gone extinct because of this garbage.
 
Dating apps are a five star hotel banquet for some, but a starving African village for others.
Its not great for anybody because its crippled by design so you will pay for premium, I even know women who are paying for tinder gold, its that bad.

What's funny for me is that nobody is talking about the dating app monopoly. AFAIK match group owns everything except for a couple apps nobody uses like boo.
I've tried explaining to my clueless boomer parents that it's simply not a thing anymore, it's just these stupid apps mostly.
Boomers still think you can pick up girls at the supermarket.

And not just them, genX too.
A lot of people who aren't in relationships or have had little to no experience with them honestly don't know how bad things can truly get.
Tell me about it, I was with a girl that became a total lazy slob, would leave her used maxipads in the bathroom trash and it would stink up the place to hell, I was dry heaving and she refused to take that shit out.
always start pointing the finger at the "single, childless people"
Men, single childless men.

Single childless women are yaaas kweens that can't do no wrong, they only start becoming lame and sad to others when they hit their 40s and are still single and childless but even then they get pity points rather than derisson like men.
I always thought that was in the context of soy manchild consoomer "I just love the hustle and bustle of the big city" types
Nah the system loves those consoomer types because they spend spend and spend rather than save money for the kids they'll never have.
it's that they want to experience the good side of that world and don't know where to start.
The problem of most incels is one of total social ineptitude.

Unfortunately there are no resources for this. In the old times young people were given social etiquette classes to avoid this problem but AFAIK those aren't a thing anymore.
The amount of murders linked to incels (which could be just put down to mental illness) sits something around 26 in 20 years. However reading all the news sites, and their regular coverage of incels, you'd think you'd walk out the door and theres a crime wave of incels beating Women in the streets.
Because it sells, its clickbait that works and nobody is going to cry racism or some other -ism about incels being blamed for everything, they are the perfect scapegoat.
 
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