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What are the UAP?

  • PsyOp

    Votes: 578 52.2%
  • Glitches

    Votes: 115 10.4%
  • Illusion

    Votes: 132 11.9%
  • Ayylamos

    Votes: 360 32.5%
  • Extradimensional Entity

    Votes: 281 25.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 239 21.6%
  • Atlantis

    Votes: 152 13.7%

  • Total voters
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Rusdia, China, you better capitulate or we unleash the alien space rayguns we totally have! Roll over right now!



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Yeah that's my gripe with reverse engineered little green men tech, especially the claims that they could fly the saucers in the 70s already.

Doesn't make sense. If they had been at it that long and could fly the saucers that early, by now they would not have F 35 but Ayyy 9000s.

If the Governments of the world were forced to admit they had Alien Tech, then you'd start wondering why you are still driving a car that runs on petroleum. And why they are telling you to virtually starve or freeze yourself to death for climate change.

So logically, they'd have to keep it secret in order to keep control of you. To keep control of the system they have set up.
 
So logically, they'd have to keep it secret in order to keep control of you. To keep control of the system they have set up.
Or they could use alien technology to control you. If they have unlimited energy, inertialess hypersonic transport, and cheap space flight--possibly FTL space flight--they don't need some "system" to control you. They can just tell you how it will be, and it will be that way.
 
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Or they could use alien technology to control you. If they have unlimited energy, inertialess hypersonic transport, and cheap space flight--possibly FTL space flight--they don't need some "system" to control you. They can just tell you how it will be, and it will be that way.

Logistics wise, trying to control the population openly using Alien Tech would be a massive undertaking, which would probably expose what tech is actually available to too many people who have to develop the delivery methods. Probably too many people to silence easily.

That's why some people think Project Bluebeam is one option on the table. They combine holographic projections with actual technology they have, which institutes the Great Reset. Other people think it will be a mass worldwide banking hack, to force people to switch to the Central Bank Digital Currency.
 
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Public hearing on UAPs.


"There are unsanctioned Advanced Tech programs"
"Misappropriation of Government funds to Fund the programs"
"Also includes self-funding"
"Can't get into the details in an open session"
"Various tradecraft used to avoid congressional oversight I can get into specifics in a closed session"
"UAPs first known by the US Government 1930's"
"I can't tell you in an open session when the programs Started"
"I can give you the names of those programs in a closed session"
"Authorization for access only given by certain senior executive officials both in and out"
"Major aerospace corporations names and their divisions involvement I've provided"
"Multi decade Government program to disincentivize interest from the public"
"I can't discuss whether the Government made contact with ET's in an open session"
"We do have biologics from crashed craft, but particular documentation, I would have to talk to you in a SCIF"
"I can tell you if the Department of Energy have had interactions with UAP's in a private setting"
"People have been injured during the reverse engineering process, unknown causes"
"UAP's have been hostile at times"
"I have a list of hostile and non-hostile witnesses that the committee can subpoena provided you have a SCIF"
"The 1971 Russian Nuclear treaty has a declassified in 2013 provision over interference by UAPs"
"Based on my DOPSR security review, this is all I can say in an open session"
 
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Call me a gay retard if you don't want silly memes in the serious discussion, but this just appeared across my feed and I feel it sums up a number of posters in the thread.
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Call me a gay retard if you don't want silly memes in the serious discussion, but this just appeared across my feed and I feel it sums up a number of posters in the thread.
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Well you can go back to 2013 when this FBI memo was declassified.

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Then in 2017 computer imaging got good enough it could reconstruct the Roswell Weather Balloon Press photos from the original negative. So you could partially read what the Major was holding in the shot.

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well there you just about have it, this just about rounds this up
if they have aylmaos, they arent telling us, if theyre lying, we'll never know
theres still a chance that before the deadline is up that evidence is provided, but they are sticking to their guns - no aliens, no UFOs, no UFO retrieval program or UFO cover up
whatever anybody can say, unless direct physical proof is provided that directly contradicts the current highest ranking military official, it seems like the story is over
or at the very best, it wont be going any further, it doesnt really matter what happens from here on, Pentagon have made their position very clear
they are directly contradicting David Grusch, who was the only one witness that spoke on the "UFO retrieval program"
i did everybody a favour and bolded the important parts
an aylmao nothingburger that featured a side serving of Chris Cuomo

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Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has backed the Pentagon's claims that there is no evidence of a UFO retrieval program or coverup.
Podcast host: 'Not all that surprising' military denies UFO claims | NewsNation Now
Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has backed the Pentagon's claims that there is no evidence of a UFO retrieval program or coverup. Ben Hansen, host of "UFO Witness," said it's possible that public-facing leadership could be kept in the dark for plausible deniability.

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"‘Weird and unexplainable’: America’s top general on UFOs, the Pentagon’s search for answers"
"After Hill hearing, Gen. Milley insists 'I haven't seen any of that kind of stuff'"

EXIT INTERVIEW: Army Gen. Mark A. Milley has had a momentous — and at times polarizing — four-year run as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Presidents Trump and Biden. In the first of a series of articles ahead of the scheduled end of his tenure in October, Gen. Milley sat down with senior Washington Times military correspondent Ben Wolfgang to discuss some of the achievements and controversies of his time as the Pentagon’s highest-ranking military officer.
Some UFO sightings by military personnel are “difficult to explain,” according to Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark A. Milley, but the nation’s top general insists he has seen no evidence to back up recent public allegations that the Pentagon has recovered extraterrestrial beings or has engaged in a decades-long cover-up to hide the truth from the American public.

In an exclusive interview with The Washington Times, Gen. Milley acknowledged that some reports of what the government now calls “unidentified aerial phenomena,” or UAP, lack an easy explanation despite serious, ongoing research inside the Pentagon and a growing belief that at least some of the craft could pose a threat to U.S. national security. His comments came less than two weeks after former U.S. intelligence officer David Grusch told Congress under oath that he is aware of “a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program,” and even suggested that the Pentagon has been secretly keeping in storage actual alien bodies.

Gen. Milley didn’t address the credibility of Mr. Grusch’s testimony but made clear he’s seen no evidence backing up the extraordinary claims.
“The guy was under oath. I’m sure that he was trying to say whatever he thought was true. … I’m not going to doubt his testimony or anything like that,” Gen. Milley told The Times during a wide-ranging interview in his Pentagon office Friday. “I can tell you, though, that as the chairman I have been briefed on several different occasions by the [Pentagon’s] UAP office. And I have not seen anything that indicates to me about quote-unquote ‘aliens,’ or that there’s some sort of cover-up program. I just haven’t seen it.”

Gen. Milley’s remarks about UAP sightings highlight the changing public attitude toward the phenomena in recent years. Previously dismissed in some quarters as nonsense straight out of a bad science fiction novel, UFO encounters now are very much a legitimate topic of discussion inside the Pentagon, on Capitol Hill, in the media, and in the scientific community.

The government concedes that many such sightings cannot be explained. A federal government report released last January examined 366 UFO sightings, including a stunning 247 UAP incidents that took place just between March 2021 and August 2022. Of those, 171 lacked a clear explanation — a reality that Gen. Milley readily acknowledged.

“There is a lot of unexplained aerial phenomena out there. That’s true,” he said. “And they’ve got pilot reports, there’s various other sensors out there, and some of it is difficult to explain.”
“Most of it, actually, they can explain away by a variety of things, like balloons for example — the whole Chinese balloon thing comes to mind,” said Gen. Milley, referring to a suspected Chinese spy balloon that flew over the U.S. earlier this year. Such objects, including weather balloons, seem to account for at least some of the reported UFO sightings.
“They can explain a lot of it, but there is some that’s really kind of weird and unexplainable,” Gen. Milley said. “But I’ve seen nothing to suggest that we, the United States military or the United States government, has in fact recovered any sort of vehicle that is not man-made, or made here on earth, or that there’s any kind of remains … I haven’t seen any of that kind of stuff.”
Still, Gen. Milley said he would not “second-guess” the public claims made by Mr. Grusch in his testimony before a House Oversight Committee panel on July 26, saying that “a lot of people have different perspectives” on a variety of issues in an organization as large as the Defense Department.
‘Insulting’
Other Pentagon officials have taken a much more critical stance on the allegations made by Mr. Grusch, which some lawmakers appeared to take quite literally during the House hearing.
Following that event, Sean Kirkpatrick, head of the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, said the claims were “insulting” to the personnel who are working on the issue.
“I cannot let yesterday’s hearing pass without sharing how insulting it was to the officers of the Department of Defense and intelligence community who chose to join AARO, many with not unreasonable anxieties about the career risks this would entail,” he said in a letter published online several days after the hearing.
“They are truth-seekers, as am I,” he said. “But you certainly would not get that impression from yesterday’s hearing.”
The Pentagon said the comments were made by Mr. Kirkpatrick in his personal capacity, not as an official statement of Defense Department policy.
But the remarks reflected a belief in some circles that the House hearing may have done more harm than good by introducing alien bodies, reverse-engineering of spaceships and other seemingly wild ideas into the public discussion of UAP, rather than keeping the focus solely on legitimate claims of mysterious, unexplained objects in the sky.
For his part, Mr. Grusch made the allegations in a serious manner while under oath before Congress and while on national television. A former national reconnaissance officer representative with the Pentagon’s UAP task force, Mr. Grusch told lawmakers that he learned of a years-long government effort to retrieve parts of crashed UFOs and study their technological makeup.
“I was informed, in the course of my official duties, of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program to which I was denied access to those additional” materials about the effort, he said.
Mr. Grusch also testified that the U.S. has recovered non-human “biologics.” He said he had not personally seen them but learned of their existence from “people with direct knowledge of the program.”
 
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well there you just about have it, this just about rounds this up
if they have aylmaos, they arent telling us, if theyre lying, we'll never know
theres still a chance that before the deadline is up that evidence is provided, but they are sticking to their guns - no aliens, no UFOs, no UFO retrieval program or UFO cover up
whatever anybody can say, unless direct physical proof is provided that directly contradicts the current highest ranking military official, it seems like the story is over
or at the very best, it wont be going any further, it doesnt really matter what happens from here on, Pentagon have made their position very clear
they are directly contradicting David Grusch, who was the only one witness that spoke on the "UFO retrieval program"
i did everybody a favour and bolded the important parts
an aylmao nothingburger that featured a side serving of Chris Cuomo
I saw the Washington Times interview since I've been hitting Google News hard. I don't think it moves the needle at all. He says he hasn't seen anything. We've already heard that Presidents don't tend to get briefed on this, with that policy maybe only changing recently with Obama and Trump seeming to be in the loop, and a large part of this activity is occurring outside of the Pentagon in SAPs involving private aerospace companies.

I can tell you, though, that as the chairman I have been briefed on several different occasions by the [Pentagon’s] UAP office.
Pentagon is not AARO. Note recent denials that are careful to say that AARO is not aware of a crash retrieval program, not the Pentagon as a whole despite misreporting:
To date, AARO has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently
- Susan Gough

Grusch pushed back on Sean Kirkpatrick's weird LinkedIn statement in the BBC interview. Kirkpatrick may be playing word games, and seems like a weasel. He angy from being the only person Grusch has pointed to on national television... twice.

If Grusch has already dumped all of his true and honest alleged info to the ICIG, he doesn't need to do anything else. Witnesses other than Grusch have reportedly already testified. The ICIG is being used as an end-run around AARO which is not trusted.

It does look like everything will slow down, which was predictable since there is going to be hesitance to dropping anything that undermines America during the big proxy wars and the 2024 election cycle. Slowing and stretching the story over years would play into the hands of greedy ufologists and Nexstar Media Group.

I would focus on what is happening with the Senate, their 2024 NDAA amendment, the resulting declassification board, etc. If you look at the JFK declassification which that legislation is based on, you will not be optimistic. The difference is the whistleblowing that previous UAP legislation (2023 NDAA?) allowed to happen. Also everyone involved with the JFK assassination are dead, Grusch alleges there are spacecraft sitting around you could touch with your dick today.
 
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Want a habbening? Coulthart says The Intercept contacted Grusch *today* (I think this aired on TV less than 2 hours ago) to ask about his leaked medical records. He had PTSD coming out of Afghanistan, was suicidal, had law enforcement called on him by his wife, got treatment, ultimately allowed to keep his security clearance and keep serving. Coulthart surmises that records were leaked out of the intelligence community because it didn't come from the local County Sheriff's office. The unedited version of the full NewsNation interview includes a section of discussion about his PTSD but it didn't make it into the final cut. So they might have caught someone red-handed on accident.

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The Intercept plans to highlight incidents in 2014 and 2018 according to the article.



The neighborcattle speak:


Here's a brief interview between The Hill and Marik Von Rennenkampff about his recent The Hill op-ed.


This post was brought to you exclusively by the Nexstar Media Group, Inc.
 
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Want a habbening? Coulthart says The Intercept contacted Grusch *today* (I think this aired on TV less than 2 hours ago) to ask about his leaked medical records. He had PTSD coming out of Afghanistan, was suicidal, had law enforcement called on him by his wife, got treatment, ultimately allowed to keep his security clearance and keep serving. Coulthart surmises that records were leaked out of the intelligence community because it didn't come from the local County Sheriff's office. The unedited version of the full NewsNation interview includes a section of discussion about his PTSD but it didn't make it into the final cut. So they might have caught someone red-handed on accident.

In article format:

The Intercept plans to highlight incidents in 2014 and 2018 according to the article.



The neighborcattle speak:


Here's a brief interview between The Hill and Marik Von Rennenkampff about his recent The Hill op-ed.


This post was brought to you exclusively by the Nexstar Media Group, Inc.
Short of actually murdering him, this is probably the most retarded, self defeating action the IC could have taken against him. His whistleblower retaliation complaint is now a slam dunk, and he comes out looking more credible because they clearly didn't have any qualms about his fitness to hold that high of a security clearance and work in intelligence at the time. They must be desperate because there is absolutely zero upside to doing this.
 
Short of actually murdering him, this is probably the most retarded, self defeating action the IC could have taken against him. His whistleblower retaliation complaint is now a slam dunk, and he comes out looking more credible because they clearly didn't have any qualms about his fitness to hold that high of a security clearance and work in intelligence at the time. They must be desperate because there is absolutely zero upside to doing this.
And yet, I guarantee those biased against the possible existence of aliens will cling to it and use it to essentially assassinate his character despite it being proof the IC poses a threat to him.
 
The smear is in and The Intercept is contradicting claims of a leak, saying they got the docs using a Virginia FOIA. The attached PDF shows the request being made on July 30 and documents provided on August 4:


UFO WHISTLEBLOWER KEPT SECURITY CLEARANCE AFTER PSYCHIATRIC DETENTION

The star witness of Congress’s UFO hearings, David Grusch, retained his clearance despite alleged substance abuse issues, FOIA documents reveal.

Ken Klippenstein
August 9 2023, 2:50 p.m.

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

Ken Klippenstein has some history with Matt Gaetz. Is this the same Jennifer Martin named in the FOIA request? She's a polyamorous writer living in Richmond, Virginia. I am archiving her stuff now (here's another Gaetz mention).

Meanwhile, we have Mick West and the NY Post's Steven Greenstreet launching their own attack:

 

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The smear is in and The Intercept is contradicting claims of a leak, saying they got the docs using a Virginia FOIA. The attached PDF shows the request being made on July 30 and documents provided on August 4:

https://theintercept.com/2023/08/09/ufo-david-grusch-clearance/ https://archive.ph/M4z24
It's possible that neither side is "lying" in the sense that the police department more than likely erroneously did tell the Grusch lawyers and/or Coulthart that they hadn't received a FOIA request, and Klippenstein did file a FOIA request with the police, but if you read the request he already has very specific date ranges to ask for which means he was clearly tipped off. I'm sure the anonymous IC "colleague" quoted throughout the hit piece is completely and totally not involved in any shenanigans like contacting Klippenstein before the FOIA request was filed. Apparently Grusch's lawyers turned over all of Klippenstein's correspondence with Grusch to the Inspector General to investigate. If anybody did access those files without a legitimate reason there should be a record of it.
 
Apparently Grusch's lawyers turned over all of Klippenstein's correspondence with Grusch to the Inspector General to investigate.
Neat, where is that info coming from?

In this case, I would definitely like to see another Reality Winner.

Investigative journalist Ross Coulthart, who initially reported on the story on Grusch’s claims for NewsNation, told NewsNation host Chris Cuomo that he believed the government was behind the effort to release Grusch’s medical records in an effort to smear his credibility.

However, Ken Klippenstein, the reporter who wrote the story, said this isn’t the case, and that the records he was given were neither confidential or medical.

“The UFO whistleblower is accusing me of using confidential medical records leaked to me by the intelligence community,” Klippenstein said on X, formerly known as Twitter (archive). “Every part of that is false. I used publicly available police records I obtained under FOIA.”
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Klippenstein, in his article, said he sent a routine Virginia FOIA request to the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office, and documents were provided to him by the office’s FOIA coordinator.
From the PDF:
We respectfully — request all CADs, Calls for service, Call Detail Records, Incident History Reports, and. related police reports for the following addresses and timeframes:
Address 1: 452 Glade Fem Terrace SE, Leesburg, VA 20175 from January 1, 2014 through April 30, 2017
Address 2: 15624 Avebury Manor Place, Leesburg, VA 20176 from March 1, 2017 through November 30, 2019

We additionally request all records related to David Grush as either a witness, victim, suspect or 911 complainant at any address from January 1, 2013 to July 30, 2023.
If the date ranges represent when Grusch lived at those two residences, maybe the self-described "FOIA nerd" found out without needing a glowie feeding it to him.
 
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It's possible that neither side is "lying" in the sense that the police department more than likely erroneously did tell the Grusch lawyers and/or Coulthart that they hadn't received a FOIA request, and Klippenstein did file a FOIA request with the police, but if you read the request he already has very specific date ranges to ask for which means he was clearly tipped off. I'm sure the anonymous IC "colleague" quoted throughout the hit piece is completely and totally not involved in any shenanigans like contacting Klippenstein before the FOIA request was filed. Apparently Grusch's lawyers turned over all of Klippenstein's correspondence with Grusch to the Inspector General to investigate. If anybody did access those files without a legitimate reason there should be a record of it.
FOIA requests take a while to get processed, even if you're really specific about dates and what you're looking for. The fact that this guy had specific dates and it only took a few days to get the request done screams coordinated smear job.

Grusch testifies about being retaliated against, and The Powers That Be go on prove his point. What's worse is this sends a message to any other would-be whistle blowers about what will happen to them if they speak up.
 
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