Disaster Maui’s mayor says 6 confirmed deaths in raging wildfires, hundreds of homes feared destroyed - actually 99+ deaths now, also check Happenings for more discussion & details


LAHAINA (HawaiiNewsNow) - Six people have been confirmed killed in the raging wildfires that have decimated entire Maui communities, but authorities feared that number could rise as flames are slowly beaten down and emergency responders are able to move in.

The fires are still active and out of control, which means a full picture of the devastation hasn’t yet come into view. But officials say at least 20 people sustained serious injuries, thousands of people are displaced, and the county’s emergency response is near a breaking point.

Richard Olsten, a helicopter pilot who flew over Lahaina town on Wednesday morning, said much of the historic town appears gone. “It’s like an area was bombed. It’s like a war zone,” he said.

Here’s the latest:

  • Maui County says three active wildfires continue to burn with more than 100 firefighters trying to battle the flames. Firefighters weren’t able to use helicopters to douse the flames Tuesday because of the high winds, but helicopters have gone up Wednesday.
  • More than 2,100 people were housed overnight at the county’s four emergency shelters: Maui Preparatory Academy in Napili, Maui High School in Kahului, War Memorial Center and Hannibal Tavares Community Center in Pukalani.
  • Authorities confirmed at least 20 people suffered serious burns in the wildfires and several were airlifted to Oahu. Three are in critical condition at the Straub Medical Center burn unit.
  • The state plans to fly 4,000 tourists out of Maui on Wednesday to Oahu, multiple sources confirm to Hawaii News Now. They will be put up at the Hawaii Convention Center. Authorities said at least 2,000 people were waiting at Kahului’s airport.
  • Gov. Josh Green, who is off island on personal travel but returning, said fatalities are feared but not confirmed. “The scope of the fire is enormous,” he said. “We are going to be digging out of this fire.”
  • Many flights into Maui from the mainland have been canceled. Travelers are being urged to check with their carrier before going to the airport.
  • At least 14 people had to be rescued from waters off Lahaina on Tuesday night after jumping into the water to escape the raging wildfire, authorities confirmed. Among them: Two young children who were reunited with family.


Gov. Josh Green discusses the latest on the raging wildfires on Maui.
Eyewitnesses described an apocalyptic scene Tuesday in Lahaina town, where residents were forced to jump into the harbor waters to avoid fast-moving flames from a massive brush fire that’s destroyed much of the historic area — and continues to burn.

Residents say an overwhelmed fire force — fighting flames all day amid powerful winds — could do little as flames ripped through the historic community, destroying dozens of homes and businesses in what onlookers believe is the worst natural disaster in Hawaii’s history since Hurricane Iniki.

Acting Gov. Sylvia Luke confirmed that the Hawaii National Guard had been activated to help respond to the sprawling fire crisis, which also includes other raging wildfires. The flames have forced thousands to their homes, and many aren’t sure what they’ll find when they return.

Due to the severe situation, Luke has extended the emergency proclamation to all counties. Non-essential air travel is being discouraged to Maui and all state agencies are being ordered to assist with the evacuation.

Honolulu Emergency Medical Services Director Jim Ireland confirmed that patients on Maui are being airlifted to Oahu.

He said a critical burn victim was transferred from an ambulance at Honolulu airport overnight to Straub Medical Center, which is the only burn center in the state.

As of Wednesday morning, Ireland said at least eight patients have been transferred to Oahu — three of whom were transported in critical condition. He noted that not all patients are burn victims.

“It’s been very heartbreaking for all of us and frustrating because if we weren’t an island we would drive over and help them from Honolulu, but being that we are separated we’re trying to support them in anyway we can,” Ireland said.

“We have put Straub on Oahu in divert status so they focus on those incoming patients from Maui and aren’t getting more patients on Oahu. So, Kuakini and Queens in town have had to step up and accept the disproportionate share of Oahu patients.”

Officials confirmed to Hawaii News Now that the Coast Guard deployed a helicopter and boat to Front Street Beach and the Lahaina Small Boat Harbor to rescue a number of people from the water.

About 10:50 p.m., the Coast Guard said it had rescued a dozen people from waters off Lahaina.

The full scope of the devastation in Lahaina isn’t known, but videos on social media show a terrifying wall of flames descending on Front Street in Lahaina and destroying everything in its path. One heart-stopping video posted by fleeing residents shows uncontrolled flames in all directions.

The video also shows burned out cars, but there was no immediate word on injuries.

Lahaina resident Tiare Lawrence compared the scene to something out of the apocalypse, with people running for their lives.

“It’s just so hard. I’m currently Upcountry and just knowing I can’t get a hold of any of my family members. I still don’t know where my little brother is. I don’t know where my stepdad is,” she said.

“Everyone I know in Lahaina, their homes have burned down.”

Front Street business owner Alan Dickar says he watched business after business in the historic district going up in flames.

“Buildings on both sides were engulfed. There were no fire trucks at that point; I think the fire department was overwhelmed,” Dickar said. “That is the most important business street on Maui.”

A Maui County spokesperson confirmed there were “multiple” structure fires in addition to “extensive evacuations” in the Lahaina area, but authorities said they were unlikely to ascertain the full extent until well into Wednesday — when winds are expected to die down.

The county also said it wasn’t immediately clear just how many people jumped into the water off Lahaina to avoid smoke and flames, though they indicated rescue operations were ongoing.

“The Coast Guard has been responding to impacted areas where residents are entering the ocean due to smoke and fire conditions,” the county said, in a news release about 10 p.m. Tuesday.

“Individuals were transported by the Coast Guard to safe areas.”

The brush fire in Lahaina is one of at least seven sizable wildfires that firefighters are battling statewide amid treacherous conditions — powerful winds, low humidity and dry brush.

CONTINUING COVERAGE:

The winds — fueled by Hurricane Dora as it passes south of the state — have topped 55 mph in many spots, with gusts to 70 to 80 mph. In addition to wildfires, first responders are grappling with downed trees and damaged structures. Also on Maui, thousands remain without power.

And while the Lahaina fire appears by fire to have wrought the most devastation, widespread damage is also being reported in Kihei and Kula, where evacuation orders also remain in place.

Another concern for first responders is the thick smoke blanketing parts of Maui.

Earlier in the day, officials confirmed that a firefighter in West Maui suffered smoke inhalation and was taken to Maui Memorial Medical Center in stable condition.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency’s (FEMA) regional administrator authorized the use of federal funds on Wednesday to assist the state in combatting the Lahaina fire.

Meanwhile, some groups are working to gather donations to help those impacted by the wildfires. Click here for details.

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It's now just really setting in. This is going to break the state. Literal thousands are now homeless in a state that already had a housing crisis, and it's all geographically concentrated on one island. The fire put a bullet in Maui's tourist industry, and that's the literal only industry outside of being a billionaire playground.

This is worse than Hurricane Iniki and the Hilo Tsunami combined.
 
Cliff Mass, professor of atmospheric science at University of Washington, has a blog post about the weather conditions that led to the fires and how it was actually cooler and wetter than normal. Expect that to mean absolutely nothing to the climate doomsday cult, especially since they all hate Cliff Mass anyway. https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2023/08/wind-driven-wildfires-on-maui.html (archive)

Today, you have shitloads of mainlanders who move to Hawaii thinking they'll get a piece of the good life only to find that paradise only looks like paradise from the outside. They end up not being able to afford a plane ticket back to Los Angeles, so they live in tents in the brush.
A friend who lived in Hawaii told me that in addition to that, a lot of the homeless were sent there from the other US-associated island countries like Micronesia and Marshall Islands. Since their citizens have immigration rights they can basically get sent to Hawaii and they can't be deported even if the will was there.
 
Cliff Mass, professor of atmospheric science at University of Washington, has a blog post about the weather conditions that led to the fires and how it was actually cooler and wetter than normal. Expect that to mean absolutely nothing to the climate doomsday cult, especially since they all hate Cliff Mass anyway. https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2023/08/wind-driven-wildfires-on-maui.html (archive)


A friend who lived in Hawaii told me that in addition to that, a lot of the homeless were sent there from the other US-associated island countries like Micronesia and Marshall Islands. Since their citizens have immigration rights they can basically get sent to Hawaii and they can't be deported even if the will was there.
This winter was cooler and wetter than usual for a rainy season. It made the dry season all the worse. More rain equals more growth, more growth means more dried out tinder when the summer dry season returns. Come next rainy season, if it's as heavy as last year, I'm expecting massive problems with runoff into the ocean from the burned zones.

Yeah, Micronesians are a problem, but the vast majority head to Oahu, and it seems most of them are eventually moving on to the mainland to work in the meat-packing and fruit-picking industries. They're willing to work in illegal immigrant conditions and with illegal immigrant wages, but are immune to ICE raids.
 
I don't use Instagram or Facebook much, but I fired up both and did some digging of videos and pictures coming out of the Lahaina disaster zone out of local social media groups and accounts. It's fucking Hurricane Katrina bad emergency response on all levels. Maui County doesn't have the resources to address even a fraction of the disaster and knock-on effects, HiEMA, the State Emergency response is struggling with shortages and access to the area, and FEMA hasn't even arrived yet. The only Federal resources activated and on scene are military.

Years of mismanagement and resource starvation are showing... and no one outside of Hawaii will see it.

EDIT: Holy shit, some of the videos are already being pulled. I fucking kid you not. Time to get my Boomer ass to figure out how you save and archive that shit.

EDIT2: Oprah is fucking on scene before FEMA.
 
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Uh, this is the same FEMA that the sovcits insist will become a dictatorial govt after the apocalypse?

Dali and Picasso works burnt to cinders? Jebus. That's an even worse cultural loss than the burning of Lahaina landmarks such as the Royal Courthouse and the history museum inside, the Royal Palace, the first Christian church in Hawaii, and that banyan tree. All of the latter is a devastating loss to Indigenous Hawaii. The first is a devastating loss to all of human civilization.

Reminder that Waikiki and its ginormous tourist hotels (and beach) are located on Maui. The fire isn't near Waikiki (for now) but I don't think anybody is gonna want to vacation on a burned cinder for quite a while. Lahaina was a popular day trip for Waikiki tourists-they'd board buses at the hotels and spend a day shopping for souvenirs in Lahaina's Victorian downtown and tour the old royal govt buildings.

Without Maui, there's pretty much not much to see in Hawaii. Honolulu is just another overcrowded Oceanic city with sky high prices. The Big Island has Kilauea, but you can only get so much tourist mileage out of an erupting volcano. The gorillionaires are mainly gonna vacation on Lanai from now on since Larry Ellison literally owns the place. A bullet square at Hawaii's heart, indeed.
 
Uh, this is the same FEMA that the sovcits insist will become a dictatorial govt after the apocalypse?

Dali and Picasso works burnt to cinders? Jebus. That's an even worse cultural loss than the burning of Lahaina landmarks such as the Royal Courthouse and the history museum inside, the Royal Palace, the first Christian church in Hawaii, and that banyan tree. All of the latter is a devastating loss to Indigenous Hawaii. The first is a devastating loss to all of human civilization.

Reminder that Waikiki and its ginormous tourist hotels (and beach) are located on Maui. The fire isn't near Waikiki (for now) but I don't think anybody is gonna want to vacation on a burned cinder for quite a while. Lahaina was a popular day trip for Waikiki tourists-they'd board buses at the hotels and spend a day shopping for souvenirs in Lahaina's Victorian downtown and tour the old royal govt buildings.

Without Maui, there's pretty much not much to see in Hawaii. Honolulu is just another overcrowded Oceanic city with sky high prices. The Big Island has Kilauea, but you can only get so much tourist mileage out of an erupting volcano. The gorillionaires are mainly gonna vacation on Lanai from now on since Larry Ellison literally owns the place. A bullet square at Hawaii's heart, indeed.
Waikiki is located on Oahu with the bulk of the population. Maui swings above its weight in regards to tourist dollars, though.
 
My family lives just outside Lahaina, they're waiting to go back in and see if anything survived but who knows when that will be. Dad went down to the blockades yesterday and they didn't have any ETA; the latest news update says that the current 55 death toll is JUST the bodies that weren't in buildings because they need FEMA to search wreckage, so my guess is they won't let people back in until they can clear the houses so that nobody goes home to find the body of a family member in the rubble. Facebook posts from first responder types say that there were bodies in the street. A lot of them. They were also pulling bodies out of the water from people who jumped in to escape the fire.

The town is totalled, California wildfire to-the-ground totalled. If you have family or friends out there and they're missing, there's a Google spreadsheet going around listing the missing and if they've been found that you can easily find by searching 'Maui People Finder'; last I checked there's about a thousand names on it.
Best local source for updates OTHER than the same canned facts on all the major sites seems to be a Facebook page called Maui247. I've found them to have the most actual updates that are more specific for people who need actual location, and info on supply drops by boat, evacuations and evacuation routes, etc.

ETA: not to interrupt a good homeless sperg, but I think a much more likely cause of the fire was the 30-ish downed power lines caused by the 60-80mph winds that happened all of the day the fire started. There was an initial fire, it got put out, and then it managed to reignite and rolled over the town pushed by those same winds.
ALSO, the big homeless camp I know of over that way was actually east of Lahaina, down towards the base of Launiopoko, a neighborhood that supposedly survived. I don't think that camp even burned, it wasn't in the main path of the fire.


Late to the party because I'm a normie who didn't know the active clearness link until Dear Feeder's telegram update yesterday, but came here looking for this and hoping there'd be the usual 'some kiwi is on the ground and personally knows everyone involved' coverage. I hate the site being so limited, this was always the best place to get information.
 
Easy. I can already tell you what caused it. Fires from homeless encampments in the bushes got loose. They're all over the place here. Shit, last night at work I was watching one get contained. Luckily the wind was blowing up a rocky escarpment rather than down into the dry grass.

I'm pretty sure this is going to be national news in a few days once they start pulling bodies out of brush there. It went up so quick, I don't think people living rough had time to clear out. Sucks because while there's a lot of druggies living up in there, there's a contingent of people who just simply can't make rent in the most expensive state in the US.
If this started in a homeless camp, media will only give the death counts (because large deaths draws clicks) but fail to mention what class of citizen were burned alive or even the source. At most, they'll just say it was a "camp fire" that went out of control. Hawaii really has become little California, the Aloha spirit is dead.
 
It's now just really setting in. This is going to break the state. Literal thousands are now homeless in a state that already had a housing crisis, and it's all geographically concentrated on one island. The fire put a bullet in Maui's tourist industry, and that's the literal only industry outside of being a billionaire playground.

This is worse than Hurricane Iniki and the Hilo Tsunami combined.
The only solution they are going to turn toward is turning Maui into Oahu. Sky scrapers everywhere, steel, glass, and concrete will be the norm because it is cheap...well cheaper than shipping other materials I'd wager.
My cynicism comes from the idea that Coco Palms on Kauai will be turned into a resort when it is a perfect place to put a Hawaiian Cultural center. Right next to the Waimea river mouth and a waterfall just a short walk away.
 
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I despise dumb haole tourists, but holy fuck how obnoxious can you be. I hate that these kinds of muh colonization and native hawaiians crap is being spread on social media.

I don't use Instagram or Facebook much, but I fired up both and did some digging of videos and pictures coming out of the Lahaina disaster zone out of local social media groups and accounts. It's fucking Hurricane Katrina bad emergency response on all levels. Maui County doesn't have the resources to address even a fraction of the disaster and knock-on effects, HiEMA, the State Emergency response is struggling with shortages and access to the area, and FEMA hasn't even arrived yet. The only Federal resources activated and on scene are military.

Years of mismanagement and resource starvation are showing... and no one outside of Hawaii will see it.

Someone I know who is a Hawaii local was moping on social media about this, and how the governor pulled a Massachusetts and asked people to house displaced people in their private homes, "Uhh....shouldn't this be the government's job?" (paraphrased)

 
The only solution they are going to turn toward is turning Maui into Oahu. Sky scrapers everywhere, steel, glass, and concrete will be the norm because it is cheap...well cheaper than shipping other materials I'd wager.
My cynicism comes from the idea that Coco Palms on Kauai will be turned into a resort when it is a perfect place to put a Hawaiian Cultural center. Right next to the Waimea river mouth and a waterfall just a short walk away. Side note, I now know more Native Hawaiians on the mainland then I did in Hawaii.
God, I hope not. The best part of Maui is that it's not an overdeveloped clusterfuck like the other islands. If it all became concrete and glass and skyscrapers, it'd both look horrible and turn the island into a soulless shell of its former self.
 
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I despise dumb haole tourists, but holy fuck how obnoxious can you be. I hate that these kinds of muh colonization and native hawaiians crap is being spread on social media.



Someone I know who is a Hawaii local was moping on social media about this, and how the governor pulled a Massachusetts and asked people to house displaced people in their private homes, "Uhh....shouldn't this be the government's job?" (paraphrased)

And this is why most people DESPISE Hawaiian natives.

Entitled fuckers constantly screaming for more gibs while being racist assholes.

Ugh, hopefully the redevelopment won't be a clusterfuck
 
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I despise dumb haole tourists, but holy fuck how obnoxious can you be. I hate that these kinds of muh colonization and native hawaiians crap is being spread on social media.



Someone I know who is a Hawaii local was moping on social media about this, and how the governor pulled a Massachusetts and asked people to house displaced people in their private homes, "Uhh....shouldn't this be the government's job?" (paraphrased)


Don't read too much into it:

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It is always the one with a great-great(-great) grandparent who act like this. When I was in Maui the majority of natives were very welcoming. Though, they did admit that sometimes due to the overabundance of tourism, they felt like strangers in their own homes (something I can feel empathy for.)

Just got to accept there are ignorant people from all walks of life.
 
God, I hope not. The best part of Maui is that it's not an overdeveloped clusterfuck like the other islands. If it all became concrete and glass and skyscrapers, it'd both look horrible and turn the island into a soulless shell of its former self.
One of the dumbest things that happened to the U.S. island territories (Hawaii, Guam, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands etc.) is that the Feds exported the auto-centric post-WWII suburban model in areas where it really doesn't make any sense. A common argument made attempting to justify the current sprawl of American cities is that the U.S. has enough land to allow it (never mind the fact that aside from Canada and Australia most very large countries don't follow this model to the extremes that the U.S. does). Puerto Rico is a particularly extreme example. It's a tropical paradise but a huge portion of it has been paved over with concrete for parking lots, strip malls and subdivisions. They completely clear cut huge swaths of pristine jungle for mainlander holiday houses.
 
As an update, currently the death count for the wildfires in Maui is up to 53 people.

The death toll is now up to 67 now.

I don't use Instagram or Facebook much, but I fired up both and did some digging of videos and pictures coming out of the Lahaina disaster zone out of local social media groups and accounts. It's fucking Hurricane Katrina bad emergency response on all levels. Maui County doesn't have the resources to address even a fraction of the disaster and knock-on effects, HiEMA, the State Emergency response is struggling with shortages and access to the area, and FEMA hasn't even arrived yet. The only Federal resources activated and on scene are military.

Years of mismanagement and resource starvation are showing... and no one outside of Hawaii will see it.

EDIT: Holy shit, some of the videos are already being pulled. I fucking kid you not. Time to get my Boomer ass to figure out how you save and archive that shit.

EDIT2: Oprah is fucking on scene before FEMA.

This seems similar to how China is doing nothing about the severe flooding that is happening, and volunteers are out there doing the rescuing. If FEMA or the authorities even dare to try to stop those rescuers, like how the CCP is doing there...
 
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