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[Chuck McGill]

"Boohoohoo I'm forced to partake in this evil by the chains of capitalist society, my city is so terrible I don't have another choice but to own this murder machine which I hate and would willingly vandalize if anyone was driving it except me"

The hypocrisy on display here doesn't even bother me, since the nature of capitalism forces you to be either by a hypocrite some of the time. What does bother me is their "no excuses!" mindset they all invariably have when it comes to getting rid of your car. Live out in the sticks? Move to the city. Live in Phoenix? Suck it up buttercup, I biked to work in Tampa in July wearing a parka. Rampant crime? Have you tried being a little more open-minded, bigot? You actually do move stuff with your truck? Ever heard of a bike trailer, carbrain? And on and on and on. But where the rubber meets the road, they're all talk. And normally I'd cut someone some slack for being unable to perfectly live up to their ideals, but why the fuck would I extend that courtesy to people that brazenly hold me to standards they never held themselves?

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Bitching they can't pay 5k rent is genuinely maddening. That's a big salary. You can get a mortgage with that. Instead they wanna live in the pod with only a console to keep them company, probably because they don't want to cut the grass or something.

 

[Yamamura]

The hypocrisy on display here doesn't even bother me, since the nature of capitalism forces you to be either by a hypocrite some of the time. What does bother me is their "no excuses!" mindset they all invariably have when it comes to getting rid of your car. Live out in the sticks? Move to the city. Live in Phoenix? Suck it up buttercup, I biked to work in Tampa in July wearing a parka. Rampant crime? Have you tried being a little more open-minded, bigot? You actually do move stuff with your truck? Ever heard of a bike trailer, carbrain? And on and on and on. But where the rubber meets the road, they're all talk. And normally I'd cut someone some slack for being unable to perfectly live up to their ideals, but why the fuck would I extend that courtesy to people that brazenly hold me to standards they never held themselves?

Brianna John Walker Flynt Wu is the only leftist I've known who said the quiet part loud where he admits he wants other people to ride the train so he has more room on the road for his Porsches. It's always about getting OTHER people to stop driving. Rules for thee not for me.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Bitching they can't pay 5k rent is genuinely maddening. That's a big salary. You can get a mortgage with that. Instead they wanna live in the pod with only a console to keep them company, probably because they don't want to cut the grass or something.

A lot of these places require something like 2-3 times your rent in paycheck stubs to be able to lease, and that adds up to over $100k a year...which is not what most people make. And if you had that sort of money, why the heck are you blowing it on leasing? I guess you could get a condominium in an urban area to provide some level of flexibility but apartments have all sorts of absurd rules and fees that houses simply don't have, everything from painting the walls to (especially in newer apartments) being able to smoke indoors.

And even though you pointed out the convenience of all those shops and restaurants, they'll bitch about "muh third place" or "muh job". I can't believe anyone who earns six figures but will still willingly cram themselves into public transit (I'm sure that's commonplace in New York and Tokyo, but again, does anyone actually like it?)

 

[quaawaa]

New face pic of Jason:

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From left to right: Reece Martin (RM Transit), Ray Delahanty (CityNerd), and Jason Slaughter (Not Just Bikes).

Reece and Jason are FAT.
What happened to the Gym of Life?

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

What happened to the Gym of Life?

>You'll get exercise when you walk to the metro!! It's da GYM OF LIFE!!
>You have to reduce the distance we have to walk as much as possible!! MAKE TRANSIT ACCESSIBLE!!

 

[indomitable snowman]

Reece looks incredibly pale and Jason incredibly red.

 

[ilovejews]

/r/fuckcars are atheist because God made the space unwalkable.

 

[Yamamura]

/r/fuckcars are atheist because God made the space unwalkable.

That's shuttle-brain propaganda, just ride a space e-bike bro.

 

[quaawaa]

/r/fuckcars has a trend now where they compare the transit networks of American and European cities to show what they want the US to build.


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One major problem is that all of the American pictures only show a small part of the metro area (the lines are approximately the diagonals from their maps):




Essentially, the only thing those posts show is that transit can work in dense areas but that it doesn't make sense in non-dense areas. The posts also ironically make European cities look more sprawling than they actually are.

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62 / 2 = 31. Berlin transit riders have a five minute longer commute on average and 15% of them have a more than an hour commute compared to ~6% of Houstonians.



The GDPs of both Kansas City and Stockholm are around $150 billion per year. Neither are backwaters.
Again, commutes are much shorter in the American city than the European one:



Why can't /r/fuckcars users look up basic statistics like average commute times before saying this sort of stuff?



One person in the Madrid thread had some sanity:

 

[WelperHelper99]

I'm back bitches.

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62 / 2 = 31. Berlin transit riders have a five minute longer commute on average and 15% of them have a more than an hour commute compared to ~6% of Houstonians.

So the math shows that with their trains, they are 5 minutes slower, yet they complain about 90mph traffic? Lol. Buddy, 5 minutes can mean the difference between being late and being early. I will take that bumper to bumper with my 6 cylinder going full bore at max efficiency, 24mpg (it sucks, I know lol), and I'll get to work on time.

The GDPs of both Kansas City and Stockholm are around $150 billion per year. Neither are backwaters.

150 billion is the budgets of some nations. These people can stfu.

Again, commutes are much shorter in the American city than the European one:



Why can't /r/fuckcars users look up basic statistics like average commute times before saying this sort of stuff?

They can't look it up because it demolishes their points. They just want to be right.

Muh big oil/auto

One person in the Madrid thread had some sanity:

And This man will be down voted to hell

 

[A skinny fat man]

So the math shows that with their trains, they are 5 minutes slower, yet they complain about 90mph traffic? Lol. Buddy, 5 minutes can mean the difference between being late and being early. I will take that bumper to bumper with my 6 cylinder going full bore at max efficiency, 24mpg (it sucks, I know lol), and I'll get to work on time.

It's not the difference between being late or being early. You'd adjust your schedule around it. It's that 5 minutes is 5 minutes more to sleep or eat breakfast or spend with your kids or whatever. If you commute 5 days a week 52 weejs a year, that 5 minutes adds up to almost 24 hrs of extra free time, and that time is actually free and not bus "free time".

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

You'd adjust your schedule around it.

The issue is that you really can't adjust a schedule around public transit. The train/bus/plane/whatever is going to run on it's own schedule and you have zero control over delays. Sure there's a posted schedule and (in most places) public tansit isn't allowed to run ahead of that schedule, but you can't bank on always being on time no matter how well you plan it if something happens to the transit you are using.

The same issue can exist with a car or a bike, breakdowns and acts of god do happen after all, but you have far more control over it.

 

[WelperHelper99]

It's not the difference between being late or being early. You'd adjust your schedule around it. It's that 5 minutes is 5 minutes more to sleep or eat breakfast or spend with your kids or whatever. If you commute 5 days a week 52 weejs a year, that 5 minutes adds up to almost 24 hrs of extra free time, and that time is actually free and not bus "free time".

That too. In the end, five minutes is five minutes of YOUR time. If you want to go in early, you can. If you want a little extra time to eat, read, whatever, you can. Trying to do that on a train isn't comfortable at all.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

One major problem is that all of the American pictures only show a small part of the metro area (the lines are approximately the diagonals from their maps):

Beltway 8 stretches out far and wide more than the metros do. This is a problem with the hub-and-spoke systems that most metros are built around, if you want to go AROUND the city, not INTO it, you're shit out of luck.

If Berlin got Houston's highway system, they'd be delighted.

 

[LaxerBRO]

62 / 2 = 31. Berlin transit riders have a five minute longer commute on average and 15% of them have a more than an hour commute compared to ~6% of Houstonian

Total Transit Time.

The transit times looked off so I went to the hyperlink and pulled to total transit time including getting to the transit stop and waiting, There is not that much of a difference between one of the most congested roadways in the US (Los Angeles) vs. Berlin.

Of note is the longer transit times in NYC, known for its mass transit system. All this shows its that the US and Europe is different with back of the napkin estimates unable be true comparisons.

As an example, people commute into Los Angeles for work from Orange County, Riverside County, Northern LA County, and Ventura County.

 

[DavidS877]

As an example, people commute into Los Angeles for work from Orange County, Riverside County, Northern LA County, and Ventura County.

Each of which has their own population larger than most cities and some countries. The OC(tm) is 3 million, Riverside is 2.5 million, Stockholm the city is about 1 million with 2.4 million in the metro.

 

[Chuck McGill]

That too. In the end, five minutes is five minutes of YOUR time. If you want to go in early, you can. If you want a little extra time to eat, read, whatever, you can. Trying to do that on a train isn't comfortable at all.

God is it annoying when they try to push the idea of "ackshually you get MORE free time on public transit". Free time to do what exactly? Can I take a nice long shit on a bus? Can I enjoy a smoke? Stretch my legs a bit? No, the only thing I can really do is awkwardly try to play the game console I brought with me, awkwardly try to read the book I brought with me or just give up and doomscroll on my phone when I can't focus on the first two. Sorry traincucks, but no amount of extra time to awkwardly bing bing wahoo around strangers will ever offset the convenience of being able to roll out of bee and be at work within 15-30 minutes.

 

[quaawaa]

God is it annoying when they try to push the idea of "ackshually you get MORE free time on public transit". Free time to do what exactly? Can I take a nice long shit on a bus? Can I enjoy a smoke? Stretch my legs a bit? No, the only thing I can really do is awkwardly try to play the game console I brought with me, awkwardly try to read the book I brought with me or just give up and doomscroll on my phone when I can't focus on the first two. Sorry traincucks, but no amount of extra time to awkwardly bing bing wahoo around strangers will ever offset the convenience of being able to roll out of bee and be at work within 15-30 minutes.

Their luxury train pictures are always taken on long distance trains, never on commuter trains.


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No one is commuting on those trains.

Also, drivers can just stop at a restaurant along the way and enjoy much better food. The automotive industry even wrote a nice book to tell drivers where to stop and get lunch:


Meanwhile, on an actual commuter train:

Good luck playing on your phone and forget about enjoying a meal or working on your laptop.

 

[Yaks]

Houston

I will give them credit where credit is due. I have lived and driven in very large cities several times in my life and the short time I lived in Houston is was the most terrifying and stressful experience driving I've had outside of NYC. Within the first three days living there I was rear ended by an elderly woman at a stop sign, naturally with big hair and a little poodle in her lap as you do in Texas.