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Coulthart is going to give this another shot in about 15 minutes, since he may have fumbled it the last time:

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Someone comes in with this dox lol:




Ken Klippenstein's father works for the DOE:




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I think Virginia requires that FOIA requests come from a citizen of Virginia, which is what I already figured. Why he chose the polyamorous "Dirtbag Christian" to cosign it is anyone's guess. Maybe the FOIA nerd has friends in all states where he needs one, maybe it has to do with shared hate of Matt Gaetz who is now deeply involved in the UAP topic.


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John Greenewald Twitter space included Ken:

"@blackvaultcom it is true. You’ve said a couple times now that it wasn’t leaked by the Intel community, however Ken said himself, his Intel source told him to look in to previous arrests. That source knew what he’d find. Ken works within Intel reporting. His sources are Intel community."



"so highly classified they were sitting in a local virginia sheriff's records office" Now that's disingenuous.
 
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Klippenstein should kill himself, what a scumbag smearing someone for serving his country and dealing with PTSD.

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Klippenstein went on a Twitter spaces chat to gloat and admitted that he was told where to look by being tipped off. Also called Gursch a drunk.

https://twitter.com/blackvaultcom/status/1689435036914003968

Ken Starts at 51 minutes in, no idea how to archive spaces. He also claims there was nothing positive about Gursch and that he would have put it in the story if there was anything
 
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Catch The Rainbow said:
Klippenstein should kill himself, what a scumbag smearing someone for serving his country and dealing with PTSD.

Edit

Klippenstein went on a Twitter spaces chat to gloat and admitted that he was told where to look by being tipped off. Also called Gursch a drunk.

https://twitter.com/blackvaultcom/status/1689435036914003968

Ken Starts at 51 minutes in, no idea how to archive spaces. He also claims there was nothing positive about Gursch and that he would have put it in the story if there was anything
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Yeah, I went back and listened to that part and sure enough he fucking admits that he was talking to intel people (and just so happened to be friends with some of them) that didn't like Grusch and that he was specifically told to look into his run ins with law enforcement. The smarmy cunt is playing semantic games with the fact that IC didn't officially hand him Grusch's psych file, several people who just so happen to work in intelligence that hate Grusch told him exactly where to file a FOIA to get it. Dead to fucking rights.

Bizarrely around the 55 minute mark he admits that UAP retrieval special access programs are real but that his issue with Gusch's claims is that he's claiming extra terrestrial origin. Does anyone actually believe the alphabet agencies are running illegal black ops projects just to pick up foreign drones? This has got to be one of the most pathologically disingenuous pieces of shit I've ever heard in my life.
 
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Catch The Rainbow said:
Klippenstein should kill himself, what a scumbag smearing someone for serving his country and dealing with PTSD.

Edit

Klippenstein went on a Twitter spaces chat to gloat and admitted that he was told where to look by being tipped off. Also called Gursch a drunk.

https://twitter.com/blackvaultcom/status/1689435036914003968

Ken Starts at 51 minutes in, no idea how to archive spaces. He also claims there was nothing positive about Gursch and that he would have put it in the story if there was anything
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Somebody clipped the part about getting tipped off by "Intel types".
 
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I’m no expert, and I’ve been agnostic on Grusch, but this seems like weak tea in terms of discrediting Grusch’s claims. If I understand correctly, this breakdown/PTSD incident happened 10ish years ago, and he kept/maintained his security clearances, so was it even a big deal?

Also, attacking a combat (?) veteran with this lame sauce? You fucking retarded feds. That will put the saucers back in the cupboard all right.
 
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Flan Handler said:
I’m no expert, and I’ve been agnostic on Grusch, but this seems like weak tea in terms of discrediting Grusch’s claims. If I understand correctly, this breakdown/PTSD incident happened 10ish years ago, and he kept/maintained his security clearances, so was it even a big deal?

Also, attacking a combat (?) veteran with this lame sauce? You fucking retarded feds. That will put the saucers back in the cupboard all right.
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Both incidents in the article pre-date his involvement with the UAPTF and I agree it didn't really hurt him much. However, it was a potential black eye for Coulthart and NewsNation until this mid-functioning sociopath decided to run his mouth on that twitter space and confirm that his sources were IC and they led him straight to the info. I'm sure the next step is to cry harassment and try to get his glowsucking "disinfo journalist" buddies to campaign for the deplatforming of UFO stuff.
 
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It's a little bit of an L for Coulthart, with the NewsNation "erroneous" article being passed around and a lot of UFO people acting like being spergs that are easy to bully. But mostly both sides are more entrenched, with the new narrative around "it's still a smear" and "he admitted he got the info from the IC". The situation is not fatal at all to Grusch or Coulthart.

Interesting contribution by Steven Aftergood in the article, someone I've followed on and off for a long time (formerly of FAS Secrecy News).

Ken went on the Breaking Points podcast to discuss this further. It's playing as a premiere now with 2.4k watching.

Also Ken on The Hill/Rising:
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
It's a little bit of an L for Coulthart, with the NewsNation "erroneous" article being passed around and a lot of UFO people acting like being spergs that are easy to bully. But mostly both sides are more entrenched, with the new narrative around "it's still a smear" and "he admitted he got the info from the IC". The situation is not fatal at all to Grusch or Coulthart.

Interesting contribution by Steven Aftergood in the article, someone I've followed on and off for a long time (formerly of FAS Secrecy News).

Ken went on the Breaking Points podcast to discuss this further. It's playing as a premiere now with 2.4k watching.

Also Ken on The Hill/Rising:
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Wow this klipperstein guy is pretty loathesome. “Maybe he’s a drunk. His wife says so. My glowie pals say he’s a real pill.”

They aren’t sending their best.
 
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Wow this klipperstein guy is pretty loathesome. “Maybe he’s a drunk. His wife says so. My glowie pals say he’s a real pill.”

They aren’t sending their best.
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You say that, but amidst trolling UFO Twitter all day long, he punked NewsNation into submission with 60 seconds of tweeting:

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Asking everyone to subscribe to his newsletter is a meme among his Twitter following I noticed yesterday. Like maybe he would get an angry DM and reply with that. Maybe we should apply to work as NewsNation fact checkers.

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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
You say that, but amidst trolling UFO Twitter all day long, he punked NewsNation into submission with 60 seconds of tweeting:

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Asking everyone to subscribe to his newsletter is a meme among his Twitter following I noticed yesterday. Like maybe he would get an angry DM and reply with that. Maybe we should apply to work as NewsNation fact checkers.

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Regardless of how one might feel about the guy, that's a fucking hilarious little op for how little effort it took him.

Dunked their credibility in less than an hour.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
You say that, but amidst trolling UFO Twitter all day long, he punked NewsNation into submission with 60 seconds of tweeting:

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Asking everyone to subscribe to his newsletter is a meme among his Twitter following I noticed yesterday. Like maybe he would get an angry DM and reply with that. Maybe we should apply to work as NewsNation fact checkers.

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Everyone should have known that tweet was bullshit because the post-Greenwald version of The Intercept has no coherent standards or ethics. These boomers need to get their shit together because I'm pretty sure next time the IC will choose someone more capable than some emotionally stunted Gawker reject, and it should be obvious by now that Grusch friendly media is an easier target to discredit than Grusch himself.

At this point the only remaining question I have about this clusterfuck is whether the IC shopped this out to more mainstream outlets that had the sense to turn it down, or if they deliberately chose The Intercept because they thought using a lefty outlet with a (mostly distant) history of criticism towards IC abuses would be less obvious.
 
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F_Break said:
At this point the only remaining question I have about this clusterfuck is whether the IC shopped this out to more mainstream outlets that had the sense to turn it down, or if they deliberately chose The Intercept because they thought using a lefty outlet with a (mostly distant) history of criticism towards IC abuses would be less obvious.
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It could be that Ken put out his feelers on his own, and immediately got the responses he was looking for from some of the people responsible for retaliating against Grusch, named or unknown in his complaint.
 
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It's a little bit of an L for Coulthart, with the NewsNation "erroneous" article being passed around and a lot of UFO people acting like being spergs that are easy to bully.
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This is why I think it's important that the "Community" keeps its humor.

Coulthart for obvious reasons is very passionate about this, and it's perfectly reasonable to be passionate, but it's bad optically. I understand that for him it is very painful to see people attack Grusch, but he needs to keep himself from getting emotional. And ever since the Grusch News Nation interview aired he's been more fired up than usual.

Everything that's happening now has happened before. And every time it happened it failed.

The people who have been doing this have been doing it for a long time. They have this down to a science. And however it is that we think this is going to go, it's far more likely that they've thought several steps ahead. The only thing that can lead to victory is how much the problem can be brought to scale. Are there enough servicemen/scientists/civilians now using sensitive enough equipment to make deniability infeasible? In terms of disclosure, that has always been the threshold, and until that threshold is met disclosure can't properly happen at scale.

As far as I can tell, what's happening right now is a battle for the Public. Congress is impassioned, but there's no guaranteeing that that will remain. That passion has withered before.

And every minor inaccuracy costs the Community tenfold optically. The detractors can be wrong an infinite number of times, however, those seeking to bolster interest in the topic can really only be wrong once. The second they get something wrong, purely by accident as an honest mistake, they're finished completely as far as the Public is concerned.

It's an extremely challenging and dangerous position to be playing from. It's like starting a game of Chess without a Queen, or, as much of a cliche as it is at this point, like trying to convince the Church that the Earth is revolving around the Sun, or, like Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis; trying to convince people about the importance of hand hygiene and disinfectants. Imagine a man trying to convince the entire world that there are literally invisible microscopic organisms EVERYWHERE, and knowing that the second people start operating on a patient they're going to kill them and freaking the fuck out, and everybody thinks you're a complete lunatic. You're doing all these insane things: rubbing your tools and hands with disinfectant, wearing ridiculous clean robes and gloves, covering your mouth with cloth, screaming at people to get out of the operating room, and everyone around you thinks you're completely insane. And then you die, with everything you advocated for ignored for several decades.

UAP are the modern day "cadaverous particles", and that is the position we are all arguing from right now.

It is absolutely fucking brutal. Like the "cadaverous material/particles", UAP are equally illusive: they move at velocities that should be impossible, they transcend mediums, they operate nearly without signature.

People like Coulthart are trying to convince the world that something that should be impossible is happening, and not only is it happening; but its effectively invisible, and everyone thinks you're insane. And that's your starting position!! This sort of thing is not new, it has happened many times before in our history, and it will happen many times after.

And so the first thing you have to do in the face of that is chill the fuck out.

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

People are not going to listen to you if you're raving mad.

But they'll be interested if you make them laugh because laughter is the RAT equivalent of a pinning position during PLAY in humans. When you laugh you bare your teeth, which is a signal in humans that you are friendly but formidable, and neurologically it's recognized as a signal of victory or as a position of dominance.

But if you're fucking pissed off, your brain fills with cortisol/epinephrine/norepinephrine, your amygdala gets hijacked, and your IQ literally drops. And then you start making mistakes.

You become both stupider, and optically, you are publicly perceived at an inferior position, as though you are being pinned.

Coulthart needs to calm the fuck down, and slow the fuck down.

Fox News and the full NextStar portfolio have been covering UAPees since at least 2017.

News Nation is effectively Fox News (and ABC, CBS, NBC... ect).

News Nation is the dumping grounds or beta test for stories that NextStar isn't sure have legs or aren't sure how the public will react to, or most importantly how the federal government will react to. Each station is colored and tuned to a specific audience, but all fundamentally one.

Coulthart tried to take this story to every other station in the NextStar portfolio (and beyond), and despite their past performance since 2017, they only gave him their beta test.

And yet despite this, despite not having a Queen, he ended up in a very good position, and it would be an absolute shame if he pulled a Jeremy Corbell right now and started making catastrophic mistakes.

He's rushing and trying to get ahead of the disinformation, but he can't afford to be careless right now, and most importantly, he needs to calm down.

The nigger aliens aren't going anywhere, and if this problem is now at scale, which it appears to be, then like all scientific discoveries, eventually it is simply undeniable.

And if saying Grush was never in AARO despite being in the precursor UAPTF, and that he had PTSD and drank previously despite having a security clearance up to the point of current contention is the best they've got, Coulthart is still in a seemingly legendary position and does not need to be making rash moves.
 
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The U.S.S. Nimitz "Tic-Tac" incident was just Star Trek: Enterprise, bro.

In May, Nexstar international properties, the CW, NewsNation, Antenna TV, Rewind TV and The Hill had a productive upfront with the standout being NewsNation with a 25% growth in volume driven by its position as the fastest-growing cable news network in prime time. We’re very proud of NewsNation.

And during the quarter, we marked a major milestone with NewsNation becoming a 24/5 news network with the debut of expanded daytime programming, the launch of the network’s first political ensemble program, The Hill and the addition of a new evening program called Elizabeth Vargas Reports. NewsNation recently broke the Whistleblower story about UFOs, with our news interviews on the UFO topic being entered into the congressional record, driving strong viewership of the hearings and afterwards. Supporting our large portfolio of assets, we’re laser-focused on ad sales and measurement that better quantifies the research and the consumption of our content. On the ad side, we’re working under the leadership of Chief Revenue Officer, Michael Strober, building an integrated national and local sales force that is capable of leveraging the breadth of the assets that Nexstar brings to bear, both locally and nationally and including linear, digital and OTT.
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The U.S.S. Nimitz "Tic-Tac" incident was just Star Trek: Enterprise, bro.

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Jesus Christ, that article is insufferable even by current year standards. Clicking on the author's bio explains quite a bit:
Dr. Luke M. Herrington is an Assistant Professor of Social Science at the School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS) at Ft. Leavenworth. A political scientist and international relations scholar by training, he received his PhD from the University of Kansas. His research and teaching interests focus on political violence and extremism, religion in comparative and international politics, theories of great power conflict, and the role of various beliefs and attitudes (e.g., tolerance) in political life and development. His most recent work explores the negative impact of conspiracy theory on American national security.
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All of the expected 2010s academic greatest hits plus the new "questioning establishment narratives unravels the very fabric of society" grift. A whole lot celebrities and redditors are about to join the rest of us in the unpersoned and deplatformed for wrongthink pit if ayys get branded as the new Qanon.
 
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