2023 Hawaii Wildfires - Fire burns down part of island, currently 106 dead, 1,300 missing. Maui - wowie!

[NevskyProspekt]

This whole situation is making me unironically MATI. Maybe it's because I'm Puerto-Rican and therefore no stranger to U.S. fuckery with its island colonies, but I have a strong sense of kinship with the Hawaiians, particularly now. All the failures leading up to and following this event are making my blood boil in a way that I haven't felt for some time.

 

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Imagine the disaster plan D being "just fucking jump off the island and pray you can keep your head above water for the next 8 hours" and then you discover this little thing called Riptide and whelp, you are not the state's problem anymore.

But because it's a Democrat supermajority state and there literally aren't any Republicans to blame for the fuckup -- and it's appearing that it was, and is an ongoing, fuckup of biblical proportions -- they have to distract, strawman, and pray they can memory hole this shit.

• The claimed they had a fire contained, it was not.
• They left this fire uncontained despite knowing a 70mph+ windstorm was inbound.
• They left massive amounts of invasive plants in abandoned farms around the island
• They sent children home, unsupervised, without alerting the parents
• They had disabled the fire hydrants because the water was needed in farms that are actually known to be fake farms used for cock fighting
• The state refused to overrule these fake farm's "dibs" on the water to enable the fire hydrants and other fire suppression systems
• They did not sound the civic alert (loud ass island-wide alarms) system
• The civic alert system MAY have actually been broken down and no one noticed or cared to fix it
• Because of this the first warning people had of a massive firestorm covering the island was their apartment fire alarms going off
• Many of these people were unsupervised children and the elderly, as the working age adults were at work
• No attempt to stop the fire was done, the fire departments intentionally did not intervene
• Police intentionally caused roadblocks, leaving massive traffic jams
• People died in their cars as the fire and heat caused them to literally explode
• People were told by the state to just run into the ocean and stay there until they could be rescued
• Even after everything, the police are sequestering refugees, blocking them from traveling from specific areas
• The state is preventing aid from being brought in citing regulations (hint: It's embarrassing to have churches outdo the FEMA response).
• NONE of the McMansions on the island owned by Hollywood pedos received so much as a scratch.
• Oprah had a mansion on the isalnd that is untouched. This is the THIRD time there has been a wildfire near land Oprah owns that has killed large number of poor people who were too close to her property for her liking.

Last unofficial toll I heard is 1400+ people, based on the fast that 1300 people are still MIA and ~100 have been confirmed dead. Many of these will be children. Entire school districts worth of children may have been wiped out.

The survivors will still vote for the people who did this to them.

 

[cybertoaster]

There is also talk of potential land grabbing taking place, direct energy weapons being involved,

Pretty sure there are real estate registries and even if all the people in the household are dead it will go to the next of kin AFAIK.

The native islanders do not give a fuck

Are there any actual natives left? all I seen in the videos are whites, a few japanese and some blacks, but hardly an actual native hawaiian.

The state, not the fed.

Are insurance companies going to pay or they are gonna start with the "act of god" bullshit?

I'd bet money these fires aren't from "global warming", but due to that invasive Pampas grass outbreak Hawaii has been fighting since forever. They planted some of that in a flower garden next to the hospital I used to work at, and one cigarette lit the whole patch up. They grow these seed pods that look like feathers and they're pure fire fuel. They produce a lot of dry litter that corkscrews around the bottom of the grassy clumps too, and that stuff will burn out of control with a single spark.

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Yeah I know these, they call them "cortaderas" in south america because you can cut your hands trying to trim them.

I wonder if this is going to stir up separatist sentiment among the native Hawaiians. There's already a small but pretty vocal minority which advocates for the restoration of Hawaiian sovereignty prior to the U.S.'s illegal overthrow and annexation of the Hawaiian kingdom. Having their ancestral capital burned to the ground over federal and state incompetence (with a non-zero possibility of malice involved) immediately followed by attempts at wealthy mainlanders to buy up the cinders sounds like the fertile soil for anti-US sentiment. It wouldn't surprise me one iota if the Feds are taking that into consideration regarding the clampdown on information taking place. Not saying such an attempt would be successful, but it could cause the Hawaiian sovereignty movement to expand its reach among the locals.

Who's gonna back hawaiian independence? the chinese? the russians? both have problems with separatist of their own, not even talking about ukraine here BTW.

 

[Breadbassket]

It probably is, I'm just saying each individual for arguments sake. It just goes to show how little they care about people. .

To be the devil's advocate after looking into the program in particular that gives out the money, $500 is the norm rather then $700 (unless this information is outdated which is possible) so the people in Maui are actually getting more then usual apparently. Good luck surviving on that for any extended period of time in this day and age though.

From the Critical Needs Assistance (CNA) page:

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

There is a good chance those who are supposed to get something from it may not due to not being technically eligible or not going through the proper bureaucratic channels. This just seems like bad emergency preparation at the very least. I think though if Biden really wanted to though he could easily get more aid to the people in Hawaii theoretically though since for one the debt ceiling is suspended and two, the same Congress who has generally happily sent billions of dollars off to funnel into some foreign proxy war effort should see how easy of a PR opportunity doing the "right thing" would be in giving Maui more aid.

American politicians have a habit of picking the worst possible choices though for anyone that isn't them however so don't be surprised by anything.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Oprah had a mansion on the isalnd that is untouched. This is the THIRD time there has been a wildfire near land Oprah owns that has killed large number of poor people who were too close to her property for her liking.

Conspiracy theories are fun and all, but her properties are on the other side of the island, "near" isn't particularly meaningful at that point.

 

[NevskyProspekt]

Who's gonna back hawaiian independence? the chinese? the russians? both have problems with separatist of their own, not even talking about ukraine here BTW.

Oh, I don't think Hawaii gaining full independence from the U.S. is remotely likely, at least in the short term. My assertion was simply that underlying separatist sentiments could grow in prominence among the local population, especially with the Native Hawaiians. It would be just another sign of growing instability facing the U.S. as it continues to decay. You're correct that the Chinese and Russians (and the Indians) have separatist movements of their own to contend with, but when has that stopped them for supporting such movements elsewhere? I doubt the U.S. would risk losing Pearl Harbor, unless there's some sort of lease arrangement in the hypothetical independent Hawaiian state (or the U.S. just ignores it and keeps sending checks to Hawaii despite the Hawaiians not asking for it, like the situation with the Cubans and Guantanamo). International geopolitics is going to get stranger and stranger as we enter into a new epoch.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Even if Hawaii does become independent, it is only a matter of time before China or someone else annex the islands. As they too strategically important both geographically and militarily to let the fairweather local natives have it.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Even if Hawaii does become independent, it is only a matter of time before China or someone else annex the islands. As they too strategically important both geographically and militarily to let the fairweather local natives have it.

Does this mean a potential Pearl Harbor sequel? That base is still operational, by the way.

Wake me up if the fire hops islands. This sounds like arson, which makes me wonder if such a charge for the fucker caught would become state or island jurisdiction in that regard.

Not sure about the space between Islands, but I'm not sure if that's completely possible.

As for jurisdiction, I have to assume all the islands are treated as one state, unless there's some local politics or beef I'm not aware of.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

• The civic alert system MAY have actually been broken down and no one noticed or cared to fix it
• Because of this the first warning people had of a massive firestorm covering the island was their apartment fire alarms going off

The same alert system that told everyone they were going to die in a nuclear holocaust? That alert system?

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Hawaii majorly fucked up with the grounded mega yacht rescue where the rescuers ended up sinking it instead of salvaging it off the coast of Maui earlier this year in March. That was foreboding of what was to come for the next environmental screwup to smite Maui.

 

[Netizennameless]

I wonder if this is going to stir up separatist sentiment among the native Hawaiians. There's already a small but pretty vocal minority which advocates for the restoration of Hawaiian sovereignty prior to the U.S.'s illegal overthrow and annexation of the Hawaiian kingdom. Having their ancestral capital burned to the ground over federal and state incompetence (with a non-zero possibility of malice involved) immediately followed by attempts at wealthy mainlanders to buy up the cinders sounds like the fertile soil for anti-US sentiment. It wouldn't surprise me one iota if the Feds are taking that into consideration regarding the clampdown on information taking place. Not saying such an attempt would be successful, but it could cause the Hawaiian sovereignty movement to expand its reach among the locals.

Who's gonna back hawaiian independence? the chinese? the russians? both have problems with separatist of their own, not even talking about ukraine here BTW.

Even if Hawaii does become independent, it is only a matter of time before China or someone else annex the islands. As they too strategically important both geographically and militarily to let the fairweather local natives have it.

The US government will kill every man, woman, child and animal on those islands before they EVER give up a foothold in the Pacific.

 

[George Lucas]

Even if Hawaii does become independent, it is only a matter of time before China or someone else annex the islands. As they too strategically important both geographically and militarily to let the fairweather local natives have it.

I wouldn't worry about Hawaiian people ever having control of the state. If Hawaii ever becomes independent again, it will be ruled either by rich white people or rich Japanese people.

 

[cybertoaster]

Chinese and Russians (and the Indians) have separatist movements of their own to contend with, but when has that stopped them for supporting such movements elsewhere?

Their separatists are far worse, russia's far east and china's west are barely kept in line, the latter with a literal police state, and india is a mishmash of nations held together by tape. If they pull any shit on us we're gonna arm and bankroll their separatists who are far more likely to succeed than our theoretical separatists are.

And they know it, which is why they wont try shit.

 

[LeChampion1992]

I wonder if this is going to stir up separatist sentiment among the native Hawaiians. There's already a small but pretty vocal minority which advocates for the restoration of Hawaiian sovereignty prior to the U.S.'s illegal overthrow and annexation of the Hawaiian kingdom. Having their ancestral capital burned to the ground over federal and state incompetence (with a non-zero possibility of malice involved) immediately followed by attempts at wealthy mainlanders to buy up the cinders sounds like the fertile soil for anti-US sentiment. It wouldn't surprise me one iota if the Feds are taking that into consideration regarding the clampdown on information taking place. Not saying such an attempt would be successful, but it could cause the Hawaiian sovereignty movement to expand its reach among the locals.

I mean in a sane world, the sheer incompetence would cause a political shakeup and probably change the votes. But knowing Hawaii all the based people are too poor or too few in numbers to do things.
Most of the based locals have fled for greener pastures in Alaska or the mainland US.
The people who remain there now are either so globalhomo poz with money or useless junkies who blame haole people for all their problems.
So the people on Hawaii are Blue anon Subaru susans who love to talk about how native and caring they are while they price out the local family whose family has been there since before WW2 if an non native and millneia of native Hawaiians.
Hawaii will probably secede from the US before turning into a red state.

The same alert system that told everyone they were going to die in a nuclear holocaust? That alert system?

Yes the nuclear sirens are basically tornado sirens. The fact Hawaii didn't even have those sirens activated with windgusts going up to 90mph is a sign of utter incompetence. If they activated a tornado siren maybe thirty minutes before the fire they might have saved a few hundred lives but it's Hawaii were talking about. No one really "works" on the island.

Hawaii majorly fucked up with the grounded mega yacht rescue where the rescuers ended up sinking it instead of salvaging it off the coast of Maui earlier this year in March. That was foreboding of what was to come for the next environmental screwup to smite Maui.

The problem is I think Hawaii has a major issue with it's political system. You have a Democrat super majority, you have a populace that's either too rich and in on it or too poor or too high to care or effect change. The place is an utterly cruel land, I feel for why the natives moved out to Alaska or Texas you just can't survive on Hawaii when you're being priced out by billionaires who want a third home.

 

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The same alert system that told everyone they were going to die in a nuclear holocaust? That alert system?

The "there's a fucking hurricane coming seek shelter IMMEDIATELY" alert system. Also used for Nuclear bombs, Japanese planes, etc.

Rumor is they haven't ran tests on it in years and it could have been broken down and they just couldn't be bothered to spend the money to fix/test/maintain it. Because why would they ever need something like that?

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

• They sent children home, unsupervised, without alerting the parents

• Many of these people were unsupervised children and the elderly, as the working age adults were at work

Jesus Christ...

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

I'd bet money these fires aren't from "global warming", but due to that invasive Pampas grass outbreak Hawaii has been fighting since forever. They planted some of that in a flower garden next to the hospital I used to work at, and one cigarette lit the whole patch up. They grow these seed pods that look like feathers and they're pure fire fuel. They produce a lot of dry litter that corkscrews around the bottom of the grassy clumps too, and that stuff will burn out of control with a single spark.

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Goddamn invasive species need to be EXTERMINATED, especially on Hawaii.

I was gonna start this thread but was unable to do so until I was free. This shit is only gonna get worse as the bodies are recovered and the full scale of the disaster becomes known.

It seems that the Hawaian authorities, from local municipal officials all the way to Fed representatives all fucked up hard and made what was gonna be a annoying fire into a disaster. The main question now seems to be what the division of the blame is between corruption, malice, incompetence and midwits worship of protocol and procedures over reacting to what is happening.

Some local news reports on these issues:

A State Official Refused To Release Water For West Maui Fires Until It Was Too Late
https://www.civilbeat.org/2023/08/a...er-for-west-maui-fires-until-it-was-too-late/
The fight over water is nothing new on Maui. But the impact on the county's ability to battle fires is coming clear.


Was Maui’s Emergency Operations Chief In Over His Head?
https://www.civilbeat.org/2023/08/was-mauis-emergency-operations-chief-in-over-his-head/
Herman Andaya lacked formal experience in emergency response but beat out 40 other applicants for the job and says he was prepared.

The current death toll is not final and even the local fed and government is saying so, they are merely only listing people they found the bodies. Chances are simply that anyone who is still missing by now is either a carbonized skeleton or one of the poor bastards who fled into the ocean and eventually drowned. Absolutely horrific fucking shit.

Some fucking DUMBASS got the emergency response job because he sucked off a mayor for a few years.

Too bad he'll be protected from consequences as he's 1. Not White and 2. A Democrat affiliated functionary.

People are mistaking the FEMA directive. It is not per person, it's per household. Which means it is actually less, and a lot less if you lived with family.

It is quite literally worthless. It won't buy shit, it won't provide for shit. It is, quite literally, less than what the USSR paid to the people they kicked out of Pripyat over Chernobyl. Which is a impressive figure to reach: less competent than the USSR bureaucracy.

Though to be fair, I don't think this is meant to be a one time thing, like how Norfolk Southern tried to get locals in East Palestine to sign their rights to sue and demand help away with a one time 200$ voucher. But the US Government really needs some good PR and this shit is really not fucking helping, especially as they are printing money to help banks and sending billions to Ukraine.

Ugh, disgusting. FEMA is usually "meh" but this is seriously Hurricane Katrina levels of tone deaf.

The problem is I think Hawaii has a major issue with it's political system. You have a Democrat super majority, you have a populace that's either too rich and in on it or too poor or too high to care or effect change. The place is an utterly cruel land, I feel for why the natives moved out to Alaska or Texas you just can't survive on Hawaii when you're being priced out by billionaires who want a third home.

Yep, and everyone just keeps getting priced out of living by the ultra rich

The "there's a fucking hurricane coming seek shelter IMMEDIATELY" alert system. Also used for Nuclear bombs, Japanese planes, etc.

Rumor is they haven't ran tests on it in years and it could have been broken down and they just couldn't be bothered to spend the money to fix/test/maintain it. Because why would they ever need something like that?

Fucking hell. The local government of Maui seems like it was run by actual retards

 

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Jesus Christ...

Imagine hearing about all this shit going down while at work, worrying a bit... then finding out that the school sent your kid home without telling you... you know, the home that's been burned down to the bedrock? And you can't find little Timmy...

Fucking hell. The local government of Maui seems like it was run by actual retards

A Democratic Supermajority, yes.

 

[OrangeJuliusEvola]

The "there's a fucking hurricane coming seek shelter IMMEDIATELY" alert system. Also used for Nuclear bombs, Japanese planes, etc.

Rumor is they haven't ran tests on it in years and it could have been broken down and they just couldn't be bothered to spend the money to fix/test/maintain it. Because why would they ever need something like that?

Well, they do run tests on it at the first of the month. The problem is, I don't think they regularly test the battery back-up systems that are supposed to power the sirens and loudspeakers if the main power cuts out, and emergency comms are overly reliant on the commercial cell phone and landline network.

Anyways, the 2018 nuke scare in state? That was 100% operator error. Remember how I said in an earlier post that every work department in the state of Hawaii has at least one guy who is so inept that work flows smoother when he calls out? That day was his day to shine. Motherfucker hit the live emergency option in the computer during a scheduled drill.

Mass texts go out to all cell phones in Hawaii saying that missiles are in flight. It turns out that part of the alert system doesn't have an option when you can immediately generate an on the fly mass text notifying of false alarm, that's going to take some time.

Knew a guy who worked for HiEMA at the time in a different sector. He said it was like a tomb in the headquarters. Everyone knew how badly shit had been fucked.

But wait, here's where it gets better. They immediately reached out to the governor to send out a Twitter post. Motherfucker forgot his password and was locked out of his account. They reached out to the police to see if they could drive around and use their cruiser loudspeakers. Nope, half the force was either dealing panicked civilians or had decided to fuck it and go home to their families. Also both the landline and cell phone network crashed, making all communication for an hour impossible.

They found a willing scapegoat to take the blame for it all, and nothing of substance changed. I'm willing to bet nothing will change even with this.

 

[Uranus Pink]

I wouldn't worry about Hawaiian people ever having control of the state. If Hawaii ever becomes independent again, it will be ruled either by rich white people or rich Japanese people.

Forget the Pacific foothold, USS Arizona and USS Utah being permanently stationed there is reason enough to purge all human life on the islands. Then to let the locals possibly handing them over to the war grave desecrating ChiComs.