Writer's Guild Strike of 2023 - Fuck these people

What is worse?

  • A consoomer, who produces nothing, devours everything, and will threaten you if you dare disturb the

    Votes: 87 15.3%
  • The one who's work is to forever feed the consoomer?

    Votes: 25 4.4%
  • Feed them all to feral pigs

    Votes: 456 80.3%

  • Total voters
    568
tl;dr, Hollywood does everything they can to keep the original writer of an adaptive work out of the writers room and away from the set except for photo-op publicity shots. Part of it is practical, there are already enough unwarrented massive egos between writers, directors and actors they don't need a writer who doesn't understand the medium introducing MORE conflict. But mostly its just so they can rape the work to death with DEI while they fully miss (or complete 180) the themes.
Is the Witcher author known for being spiteful? If so I wonder if he'll have the chick who became the show writer's pet "die with honor" just as a big middle finger to nutflix? It should be noted I don't know how important that character is to the story so no idea if that could make sense even though it'd be lulzy.

A youtuber has made a video tour of the inventory of a LA prop rental company that rents old tech (TVs, computers, radios, ...) to movie productions. In it they discuss how the writers guild strike has not only shut down movie productions but also had a trickle down effect on all the local busineses supporting it (like their own, and catering, hotels, laudry cleaning, ...) which are losing business.

IMO they'll just have to adapt or go out of business. If their only way to survive is by bring fed by Hollywood, they are an unfortunate collateral, but the beast must be slain.
On one hand that sucks but on the other hand they're just like the "writers" and actors who aren't getting as much as they want: No plan B. Always have a plan B.

TL; DR - The industry is pitting states against each other to be the next Hollywood, but it will gladly return to California in a heartbeat if they don't get the ridiculous tax breaks they demand.
Fuck California and their Roman Empire-style holier-than-thou mentality and invasion tactics. You have green screens and props for a reason! Don't destroy a state to be just like your bughives, keep playing pretend in your studio warehouses and leave us the fuck alone.
 
the only place I can watch a period piece that doesn't make my eyes roll out of my head is fucking China
tl;dr: This is largely because you lack the historical awareness to know what to get angry about when the CCP makes changes to characters and motivations to conform to communist principals. And don't get me started on Han stars replacing people who historically were of different ethnic groups - unless they are protrayed to be bad/evil/corrupt/incompetent.

There are also a lot of verboten (or nearly verboten) periods that media isn't allowed to be made of or can only be made carefully within narrow parameters. The Qing empire never seems to be ascendant in any Chinese media for some reason.

Maybe it's the helicopter parents that shielded these people from consequences as kids that has them failing to grasp that a strike means no income apart from any strike pay rationed out by the union(s) and whatever grift money they can con out of pay pigs. They don't seem to realize that the decision to strike means that a decision was made that not working is the more attractive option to either working with an expired contract being temporarily extended or not having a new contract.

It also probably doesn't help these people also have little to no financial management/literacy skills either. Even with California's high cost of living, there are ways to properly manage one's finances even on a tight budget.
WGA is even more fucked than they were in 2007.

To shorten and super-simplify:
It used to be industry practice for writers to collect very little to zero W-2 pay. The bulk of thier income was royalties and residuals on the things they have writing credit on. This means starting out, you were dog-shit poor. But after a couple years, as you get more writing credits, those small checks add up to a decent income.
Post writers strike, nearly all studio writers have been moved to salaried W-2 (in short: because it means the studio out-and-out owns your work product.) which means a higher start/middle income, but very little in the way of royalties flowing into the bank account and letting you try to weather out the current drought.

Yes. I can watch one great movie a night made before 2012,
Top Gun: Maverick was a decent film you can add to your post-2012 list.

there was ONE white dude (Lang Shining, so historically accurate)

> White dude
> Giuseppe Castiglione (pinyin: Láng Shìníng; 19 July 1688 – 17 July 1766) was an Italian
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Lol try again, Dago greaseball.
 
Regarding the financial strain, did the Union not set up a fund using the dues members pay for just this sort of scenario?

Oh what am I saying, of course they didn’t.
If they did how much you wanna bet it was held in Bankman's failed Bank?
 
Regarding the financial strain, did the Union not set up a fund using the dues members pay for just this sort of scenario?

Oh what am I saying, of course they didn’t.

Without having seen the books...
(Fast background, I was looking at unionizing a place I worked at to the point of meeting a representative of the union we'd be under (who was based as fuck). This ended up not happening because instead I got a better job and convinced nearly everyone else to also just leave for a better job. So I might be mixing federal requirements with union policies there but.)

Unions are I believe required to have a strike fund to pay workers for striking, but it can be ridiculously small. Additionally, even "good" unions like the steel workers or UAW, the pay you get while on strike is something like 1/3 your normal pay and to earn it you need to picket or do whatever the union tells you to do. It might have even been set at minimum wage or poverty levels, I can't remember.

Given the base rates for extras & non-staff writers, I can only imagine how miniscule the checks are. And given they are in LA which is expensive as fuck, those checks are going to be like a bucket brigade vs a volcano.

Also I don't know about WGA, but SAG is pretty fucky because you can get your SAG membership for being in a commerical 40 years ago and having done nothing since as long as you maintain a relationship with the guild. I just remember a relative I have in SAG was talking about the SAG health insurance allowing them (and tons of others) to work a bunch of short-term menial jobs trying to wait for the next big break. So doubtful that a lot of the marginally employed are getting anything.
 
Unions are I believe required to have a strike fund to pay workers for striking, but it can be ridiculously small. Additionally, even "good" unions like the steel workers or UAW, the pay you get while on strike is something like 1/3 your normal pay and to earn it you need to picket or do whatever the union tells you to do. It might have even been set at minimum wage or poverty levels, I can't remember.
This sounds about right from my limited experience with Unions in that strike funds aren't necessarily funded on a regular basis unless there's a likelihood a bargaining unit will go on strike when it's time to renegotiate their contract.


Regarding the financial strain, did the Union not set up a fund using the dues members pay for just this sort of scenario?
One would think they would, but with big-name celebs doing the equivalent of e-begging for the strikers, it's anybody's guess. 🤷‍♂️
 
Looks like Marvel's VFX workers are moving to strike after all.
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If I had to pick one side to support in all this, it would be them. I was under the impression that Marvel just outsourced all their CGI out of the U.S.
 
Looks like Marvel's VFX workers are moving to strike after all.
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If I had to pick one side to support in all this, it would be them. I was under the impression that Marvel just outsourced all their CGI out of the U.S.

tl;dr: You outsource your grunt work, but you want your thinkers stateside. Not just for quality reasons, but if things aren't going right you want necks to throttle without needing to take an international flight.

I was hired to, in short, help clean up a mess made when a company outsourced an entire operation. In the aftermath, easily foreseen by anyone with a positive IQ and lacking an MBA, everything went to complete and utter shit and they had to spend 5x what it would have cost to just keep their old employees hired because Poo-in-the-loos would do it for 1/2. They hired a firm that specialized in fixing these exact sort of fuckups and my job description was pretty much "Help the contactors prioritize their work by seeing who's complaining and tell the contactors to resolve that issue"..

And given what Disney did to their support staff ten years or so back, I'm surprised anyone working for the studios isn't unionized.

This sounds about right from my limited experience with Unions in that strike funds aren't necessarily funded on a regular basis unless there's a likelihood a bargaining unit will go on strike when it's time to renegotiate their contract.
Sounds about right.
I had asked our rep about how a strike would work, because I was expecting to need to strike because obscenely low pay and not enough people for the work were the reasons we were unionizing and I doubted that the administration was going to change that, so how could a new union strike?

The local we'd be joining would pay us strike rate out of the other people's dues. If the local had issues they'd reach up to national. If the national was skint, National would get assistance from another national (who would likely put our local in touch with another local in the area). Strike rate if they were borrowing money was something like "emergecy" rate or someshit and even lower than strike rate. Based rep I was talking to said (basically) its always called borrowed money and they'll try to fuck you on it. And how if you're a union president brown noser you'll get (i can't remember the term) full pay for sitting on your ass at home whether or not you're striking.
The flip side of this was of course a chunk of you dues was playing some garment worker in San Diego to not work
 
I have an unqualified, unsourced, and baseless feeling and belief that there isn't any money in the coffers to support both the ridiculously overinflated budgets of productions (including overinflated salaries of mid-tier actors/actresses) and a raise for the writers. I simply DO NOT believe that Netflix, Disney+, and the other streaming platforms provide even a slimmer of return. The whole thing seems to me to be an investment ponzi scheme, a literal house of cards, and if they cave and have to show viewership and pay out residuals it'll tank everything.

For what it's worth, I hope it does. But I imagine that if the whole thing collapses it'll mean everything will just become AI-generated schloch. Probably just as good as the current shit tbh.
 
I have an unqualified, unsourced, and baseless feeling and belief that there isn't any money in the coffers to support both the ridiculously overinflated budgets of productions (including overinflated salaries of mid-tier actors/actresses) and a raise for the writers. I simply DO NOT believe that Netflix, Disney+, and the other streaming platforms provide even a slimmer of return. The whole thing seems to me to be an investment ponzi scheme, a literal house of cards, and if they cave and have to show viewership and pay out residuals it'll tank everything.

There is a shit ton of money flowing in. Netflix is turning a profit - they only do streaming now (RIP DVD mailers) so we know their streaming subscriptions are making money. Peecock is streaming shit from the archives or what they're playing on TV so its completely sunk cost and effectively free - the only x-factor is if subscriptions minus costs of running their own platform is greater than what they'd get from signing a deal with netflix. D+, AppleTV and PrimeVideo are much harder to peel. D+ because Disney is a studio so add hollywood accounting to streaming and you've got a gordian knot of being unable to really tell if its making money. PrimeVideo isn't just a part of another company, the memberships are part of another package.

Studios don't want to cave for a lot of reasons, but the ones and they boil down to greed, powermongering, and control.

Greed because they are still SEETHING about how Ronnie Reagan made them pay royalties (residuals) to actors and writers for TV shows. Hundreds of millions of shekels is being stolen from the studios' grasping jewfingers, and a good chunk of that is going to goys. GOYS. They are going to do whatever it takes to keep that from happening again.

Powermongering is they don't want writers and actors have any power or control. They want media to be completely in and under their thumb.

Control because if they have to release streaming numbers, investors are going to (get ready for this shocker) make them fund content that is actually popular and not simply boosts whatever political agenda the runners want to push (or hire whoever is giving out the best blowjobs). This is why Netflix made the voting percentage disappear in the wake of schumer's TDS special - investors would ask questions about why Netflix wrote this check for shit content and what was being done to keep that from ever happening again.
The studios don't want anyone looking over their shoulders and telling them what to do, and will do whatever it takes to keep from releasing actual viewership numbers.
They especially don't want to do that under the terms being dictated to them now, because if they try to juice the numbers they are liable for fraud because trying juice the numbers before an investor call to make someone's content look better or worse ties to compensation, and fucking with that is fraud.
 
tl;dr: This is largely because you lack the historical awareness to know what to get angry about when the CCP makes changes to characters and motivations to conform to communist principals. And don't get me started on Han stars replacing people who historically were of different ethnic groups - unless they are protrayed to be bad/evil/corrupt/incompetent.
I know enough about the various historical periods to know that most of what's changed is usually for dramatic effect, not propaganda purposes. Examples are dramas that take place in the imperial harem - there's always waaaay more backstabbing and scheming than went on historically because a plot needs drama. But I definitely didn't notice anything systemic about minorities - just off the top of my head, I remember seeing Dilraba Dilmurat cast as a heroine multiple times, and her different look made me think that she was a hapa or something until I found out that she was Uyghur. I can't think of a role where she was a villain - in one series, she played a vengeful Han princess heroine in the Tang dynasty, paired with a Han Chinese actor who played a heroic Turkic warlord.

When it comes to Han actresses playing minorities from what I've noticed it's completely value neutral - in one series both the Perfumed Consort (one of the few 100% good characters) and a crazy evil Korean bitch were both played by Han actresses despite not being Han historically. The root cause of this is probably similar to why Japanese people are often played by Chinese actors in Western movies - it's just logistics. Memoirs of a Geisha was an almost all-Chinese cast drawn from wuxia because those were the stars that had name recognition in the west - Ken Watanabe was the lone exception because of The Last Samurai. I'm sure China isn't crawling with enough a-list ethnic minority actors to do realistic casting, so they just cast popular stars into these various roles.

If there's anything that strikes me as propagandistic or inspired by communism its a dash of feminism that strains belief 'oh maybe someday women will be free', but it's still very mild compared to what you get in Western media. Maybe there's a shit ton of crappy propaganda films and series out there, but I haven't seen them. Most of what I've seen uses history as a setting and fills in the details to create some sort of drama or tension.

There are also a lot of verboten (or nearly verboten) periods that media isn't allowed to be made of or can only be made carefully within narrow parameters. The Qing empire never seems to be ascendant in any Chinese media for some reason.
This also just isn't true in my experience. If a drama is set in the reign of Qianlong Emperor or Kangxi Emperor, for example, the Qing will usually be shown as ascendant - you can't really do otherwise, considering the dramatic expansion of territory and successful military campaigns followed by a golden age. But the Qing dynasty did have very real problems adapting to a changing world, and the Late Qing are reviled for good reason. Once congress with the West begins in earnest the Qing aren't ascendant anymore, they're constantly loosing ground until you end up with China's national humiliation - and of course that should and will be reflected in fiction set in that era.

I also don't see the Qing universally reviled even by the CCP. Talking to Chinese people who are true believers will reveal a sense of pride in what that dynasty had built - particularly the Old Summer Palace which was razed during the Opium Wars. I've met Chinese people who have a burning hatred for the French and/or British specifically just because of that event. Cixi is largely reviled, but not the Qing in general.
 
Looks like Marvel's VFX workers are moving to strike after all.
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If I had to pick one side to support in all this, it would be them. I was under the impression that Marvel just outsourced all their CGI out of the U.S.
You almost made me get out the good whiskey. Read your own screenshot. They're not striking yet.

There's going to be a vote on the 21st and they have until the 11th of September to get them all in. If the vote fails, they might strike. If it succeeds, the "writers" and actors will be smiling with gritted teeth the vfx workers got their demands and they didn't after 100+ days of picketing.
 
If I had to pick one side to support in all this, it would be them. I was under the impression that Marvel just outsourced all their CGI out of the U.S.
Don't give Marvel any ideas.
Studios don't want to cave for a lot of reasons, but the ones and they boil down to greed, powermongering, and control.

Greed because they are still SEETHING about how Ronnie Reagan made them pay royalties (residuals) to actors and writers for TV shows. Hundreds of millions of shekels is being stolen from the studios' grasping jewfingers, and a good chunk of that is going to goys. GOYS. They are going to do whatever it takes to keep that from happening again.

Powermongering is they don't want writers and actors have any power or control. They want media to be completely in and under their thumb.

Control because if they have to release streaming numbers, investors are going to (get ready for this shocker) make them fund content that is actually popular and not simply boosts whatever political agenda the runners want to push (or hire whoever is giving out the best blowjobs). This is why Netflix made the voting percentage disappear in the wake of schumer's TDS special - investors would ask questions about why Netflix wrote this check for shit content and what was being done to keep that from ever happening again.
The studios don't want anyone looking over their shoulders and telling them what to do, and will do whatever it takes to keep from releasing actual viewership numbers.
They especially don't want to do that under the terms being dictated to them now, because if they try to juice the numbers they are liable for fraud because trying juice the numbers before an investor call to make someone's content look better or worse ties to compensation, and fuck ing with that is fraud.
In other words, the people in charge are completely willing to burn it all down just so they can be the unopposed king of the ashes.


Makes you wonder why anyone would want to get intimately involved with this industry.
 
In other words, the people in charge are completely willing to burn it all down just so they can be the unopposed king of the ashes.
That's a bit of an exaggeration; they rightly assume they can outlast a bunch of zero financial sense actors and writers.

They're willing to burn down their shed to burn down their neighbor's house.
Or maybe more the point, they're willing to burn down their rental property if it means they can evict the tenant living there and expand their tennis court.

Makes you wonder why anyone would want to get intimately involved with this industry.
Same reason anyone does anything slimy: Money.
If you aren't a retard and have that combination of luck and skill so you're positioned to take advantage of when you get a lucky break, you can make stupid money.
I have a relative in the industry. They came out to try to be in front of the camera as a quarter life crisis, ended up falling back on their schooling and doing things behind the camera before finally up starting a business that provides soft-services to network TV.

They have some fun stories like being fired, the person who fired them being fired, and being re-hired by their replacement before security had finished escorting them off the lot. Or getting a job because at a houseparty, someone was too drunk to work the gas stove to light their cigarette and my relative helped them out. They once made $100,000 - again, as an office worker - for less than a day's work.

Anyway they have "completely quit that fucking hellhole, never going back I'd hope the whole place sinks into the ocean except the fish don't deserve that" I think it's up to 5 times, I don't keep in super close touch with them. They keep getting sucked back in. This happens because it really, really isn't what you know its who you know. So you owe people and they owe you, big favors. So my relative will get called back to help out someone who's in a jam and is owed a favor. Then when that's done, there's another production that needs someone who does what you do, and you hired all these people on contract it'd be really rought to make them look for new work after not even a year.... and then you've got a good team together now, it'd be a shame to break up something that's working so well when there's all this work, you can do another project....then its three years later.

Examples are dramas that take place in the imperial harem - there's always waaaay more backstabbing and scheming than went on historically because a plot needs drama. But I definitely didn't notice anything systemic about minorities - just off the top of my head, I remember seeing Dilraba Dilmurat cast as a heroine multiple times, and her different look made me think that she was a hapa or something until I found out that she was Uyghur. I can't think of a role where she was a villain - in one series, she played a vengeful Han princess heroine in the Tang dynasty, paired with a Han Chinese actor who played a heroic Turkic warlord.

When it comes to Han actresses playing minorities from what I've noticed it's completely value neutral - in one series both the Perfumed Consort (one of the few 100% good characters) and a crazy evil Korean bitch were both played by Han actresses despite not being Han historically. The root cause of this is probably similar to why Japanese people are often played by Chinese actors in Western movies - it's just logistics. Memoirs of a Geisha was an almost all-Chinese cast drawn from wuxia because those were the stars that had name recognition in the west - Ken Watanabe was the lone exception because of The Last Samurai. I'm sure China isn't crawling with enough a-list ethnic minority actors to do realistic casting, so they just cast popular stars into these various roles.

If there's anything that strikes me as propagandistic or inspired by communism its a dash of feminism that strains belief 'oh maybe someday women will be free', but it's still very mild compared to what you get in Western media. Maybe there's a shit ton of crappy propaganda films and series out there, but I haven't seen them. Most of what I've seen uses history as a setting and fills in the details to create some sort of drama or tension.
I guess to be fair I don't watch chingchong TV, so I got most of that from someone who did and was outraged about the liberties taken, and knew I'd pissed too + reports from other people who have a bone to pick with the CCP - hardly unbiased sources. No one is taking issues with some dramatic embelishments, but there is a constant "central authority good; you wouldn't want the chaos of over throwing the central authority would you?" CCP messaging, as well as promotion of communist values. Its one of those things where its not obvious and in your face if you aren't read up on the shit they try to pull.

Anyway to address the casting, the chicoms care much less about the origins of hot actresses.
There are two billion people in china, and some of thier tiny minorities have populations greater than some euro nations; I'm pretty sure they could get people if they were interested.

I'll also agree that even if its riddled with chicom progaganda, they are at least not pushing fugly nigresses and screeching waddling fatties to staring roles, they are putting attractive people and letting them be attractive instead of catering to a bunch of hausfrau about body positivity. And they also let men (who are han chinese) be strong, charismatic and masculine instead of simpering incompetent faggots.

I'm also going to say, I'm the same way with japanese media. I know when I'm being preached at and can tell when Relevant Social Commentary is being injected, but because I don't experience the Japanese political system I don't get irritated when some video game developer is injecting their hot take because I don't recognize who they're parodying or what libtard "solution" they're trying to advance, so I can just enjoy nuking hobos with a satellite laser. (as long as they don't try to get into WWII)


tl;dr: Enjoy your imperial harems, just keep in mind you're consuming Chicom propaganda - even though most of the political messaging is not being targeted at you.
 
No one is taking issues with some dramatic embelishments, but there is a constant "central authority good; you wouldn't want the chaos of over throwing the central authority would you?" CCP messaging, as well as promotion of communist values. Its one of those things where its not obvious and in your face if you aren't read up on the shit they try to pull.
To be fair, this is basically the history of China. Central authority collapsing is usually preceded by horrific shit, and leads to general chaos and mass murder on a scale that is shocking to western sensibilities.
Anyway to address the casting, the chicoms care much less about the origins of hot actresses.
There are two billion people in china, and some of thier tiny minorities have populations greater than some euro nations; I'm pretty sure they could get people if they were interested.
I've done some editing work for Chinese people, and some of them did humanitarian work in remote minority areas and mentioned it in their work. It really is absolutely night and day. Illiteracy rates are sky-high, parents will work in a factory and live hours away while their children fend for themselves. Schooling is often still very rudimentary, with people subsistence farming. The image of China as a rising power with a robust middle class is very much restrained to the glittering cities on the coast and in the historical heartland. The more remote areas of China, where the minorities often live, are much more similar to a third world country, and in those conditions an acting career isn't usually on the horizon for anyone.
you're consuming Chicom propaganda - even though most of the political messaging is not being targeted at you.
Yeah, this really applies to any media. It's important to remember that nobody is immune to propaganda, and that anything is infused with it by virtue of TBTB allowing it to be published. One of the series I watched was even cancelled by due to promoting 'unsocialistic principles'. In a way it's weirdly refreshing for the censorship to be so blatant and honest instead of how it is here, where we're supposedly the 'land of the free' but you can't make a TV show unless you meet the nigger quota.
 
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but the current status for writers strike is that the AMPTP provided responses to their proposals on Friday again, which is today mind you and seeing how the writers strike has slowed down it seems likely that the writers strike will end today. I mean both sides are quiet now. As for the actor's strike it is still going. 🤷‍♂️
 
I had a talk from a colleague who works in the industry.
Basically the writers (WGA included) are the greediest motherfucker on earth.
Which I’m sure everyone here already knew that.
I'll bet. They want to write a single line of dialogue, or HELP write a line and get infinite money for life.
The last writer's strike was the death knell of any television worth watching. It fucked up the final seasons of Battlestar Galactica and contributed to the Discovery Channel/History Channel etc. turning into channels for shitty reality shows.
It DID help a tiny bit with Breaking Bag, so it wasn't ALL bad...... But yeah it absolutely RUINED some shows that didn't deserve it.
I know I'm preaching to the choir when I say this here, but I don't care if they ever start working again.

I don't have any need for Hollywood or the crap they produce anymore. I have the Internet, I'm fluent in more than one language, and I can handle subtitles just fine. I have the entire damn world to choose from. I could spend the rest of my life watching nothing but old luchador movies and anime from the 90s and I'd be just fine. What do I care if Black Lesbian Show #94780 isn't getting any more episodes? I just learned about Neo Ranga!

Even if this weren't the case, I'm not forgiving the vermin in the American entertainment complex for what they've done. I'm not going to forgive them for turning into a leftist propaganda mill. I'm not going to forgive them for glamorizing liberal bigotry and outright deifying black racism. I'm not going to forgive them for the violent, hateful temper tantrum they threw over Trump. I'm not going to forgive them for how much fun they had watching the rest of us suffer through the riots and lockdowns of 2020. I'm not going to forgive them for how they helped take everything ugly, wrong, and evil in the world, and force us to treat is as the new normal and the new good. To Hell with all of them!
Heheh there are still some good stuff coming out of the entertainment industry but it's a solid single digit or LOW double digit output these days.
The last time I went to see a move at a theater, both the snack bar plugs and the ads were more annoying than most of the ads that permeate YouTube without an ad blocker. Sad part is that despite showing multiple coming attractions, these films seem to share the same basic cookie cutter plot and casting -- so much so that the cliche "you've seen one, you've seen 'em all" is true here.
That's why you show up at or a bit last the listed start time. Then you sit down about 2-3 minutes before the actual movie starts.
Texas is trying to make itself Hollywood and it did a video with a bunch of celebrities explaining the situation, that it would provide jobs for caterers, hotel-owners, independent workers, restaurants, and even Uber drivers.
They're building a massive studio complex near Austin and they'll pull some production away from Cali. That said it'll be limited as most Hollywood types love fellating California and Want the Hollywood hills lifestyle.
Texas is trying to be California? What has this world come to?
They're trying to steal jobs 🤣
Top Gun: Maverick was a decent film you can add to your post-2012 list.
I'll add anything by Denis Villeneuve, The Revenant, Birdman, and a decent amount of other post 2012 movies are worth it.

Not as many, and a LOT get drowned out by Marvel/Disney slop but they exist.

Ohh and don't forget THE RAID and THE RAID 2 (outstanding action movies out of Indonesia)
 

TV Staff Minimum Remains Key Sticking Point, but Some in WGA Privately Grumble: ‘Nobody Asked for This’​

Gene Maddaus
Wed, August 16, 2023 at 3:17 PM CDT·9 min read

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The Writers Guild of America responded on Tuesday to the latest proposal from the studios, as the sides continue to try to resolve the three-month old writers’ strike.

While the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers has made some concessions, including agreeing to provide streaming viewership data, the studio group has not agreed to a key WGA demand for a minimum staff size for TV writers rooms.

The AMPTP at first refused to even consider the idea. But in its latest proposal, it offered to give showrunners flexibility to hire a certain number of writers, depending on the budget of the show. The WGA, meanwhile, has continued to make clear that it wants a fixed minimum staff size for all shows.

The two sides remain at odds on a host of other issues as well. But the TV staff size proposal is shaping up as a key hurdle to getting an agreement.
The WGA places a premium on solidarity. But within the guild, there’s been some private dissent over the proposal, with some showrunners telling Variety that they think it is the “wrong fight” and should not be the reason that the strike is prolonged.

The guild includes 11,500 members, and in a group so large, it’s natural that not everyone is going to see eye-to-eye on every issue. But Variety spoke with seven writers with varying levels of experience — including several current or former showrunners — who were willing to explain their opposition on the condition of anonymity.

Several expressed concern that the guild’s proposal would take authority away from showrunners.

“Nobody asked for this,” said one prominent showrunner. “Every showrunner I know is against this. It doesn’t make sense to anybody.”

Another writer added: “All the showrunners that want a staff should be given a staff. I don’t think it’s important to force those few that don’t want a staff to have a staff.”
The WGA proposed in the spring that TV shows should hire a minimum of six to 12 writers, depending on the number of episodes in a season. At its meeting on Tuesday, they agreed to reduce that ask by one writer — but would not forgo the basic structure.

Several showrunners told Variety they did not want to be forced to hire writers who are not needed. In its worst form, they say, that would amount to “featherbedding,” an illegal labor practice in which employers are required by union rules to hire workers who do no work.

“It’s creating make-work jobs,” said another writer.

This writer said he’d worked on shows where his contributions were essentially ignored, and he fears that’s what would happen to writers who are hired under a staffing mandate.

“It’s an awful thing to go to work every day and know you’re being paid to sit around and do nothing. It doesn’t actually help your career long-term,” he said. “I think that people think they want these guaranteed jobs. But from my experience, they really don’t. It’s a poisoned chalice.”

The WGA also wants the writing staff to be guaranteed three weeks of work per episode and that half the staff is employed throughout production. In addition, the guild is seeking a 20% increase in minimum compensation for writer-producers. The guild argues that mandating these parameters is essential to preserving the writers room from studio cost-cutting.

“We will not give up on any one of those principles,” Chris Keyser, the co-chair of the negotiating committee, told Variety in an interview in June. “Without any one of them the whole thing falls apart.”

With the notable exception of “Yellowstone” creator Taylor Sheridan, no one has been willing to publicly oppose the idea of a mandatory minimum staff. The WGA has stressed the importance of solidarity during the strike, and some fear being branded a traitor to the cause.

Supporters of the proposal have argued the showrunners are facing pressure from the studios to get by with as few writers as possible. That’s particularly true in “pre-greenlight” mini-rooms, where a handful of writers will be tasked with breaking an entire season of a show in just a few weeks.
The WGA proposal is intended to codify a room size that had been standard on most shows for decades.

“It’s not acceptable for the companies to just say, ‘Well now we want you do all the work with fewer people in a smaller amount of time and that’s fine,’” Ellen Stutzman, the guild’s chief negotiator, told Variety earlier this year. “That’s a major problem for television writers.”

Some opponents of the proposal say they haven’t heard from showrunners who have this concern. Others acknowledge the validity of the issue, but say the proposed solution is misguided. Several said that the showrunners will likely end up just hiring their friends for no-show jobs.

For broadcast shows, which typically have 22 episodes, the WGA would mandate a minimum of 12 writers. Most shows already exceed that threshold, according to the showrunners who spoke to Variety.
On streaming and cable, where seasons can run eight to 10 episodes, the guild would mandate seven or eight writers.

“I don’t need that many writers,” said one showrunner who was working on such a show until the strike began. “I don’t want some people coming in who have been mandated… If I’m forced to hire two or three more people, they will be seen as a burden by other people in the room.”

Another writer, who works on limited series with one or two other writers at most, argued that the guild should protect creative rights and compensation, but not interfere in how showrunners do their jobs.

“It’s the wrong fight,” the writer said.

Some supporters have said that writers rooms give younger writers the opportunity to learn from more experienced people. But opponents have countered that may not be appropriate for all shows. “Not all hospitals are teaching hospitals,” one said.

Another showrunner argued that there are creative reasons why writers rooms might not work for every show. In some cases, the challenge is establishing a clear authorial voice, this person argued, and having “too many cooks” would make that more difficult.

“When you think of some of the most creatively daring shows on TV, many of them have been written by a single writer,” the showrunner said. “The more distinct the voice is, the better the show becomes.”

The WGA itself has lauded the creative achievements of solo writers. The guild gave an award earlier this year to Mike White, the solo writer of “The White Lotus.” The guild has also given awards recently to auteur-driven shows including “Chernobyl,” “The Queen’s Gambit,” and “Mare of Easttown.”
Solo writers are more the norm in the U.K., which has recently produced “Fleabag” and “I May Destroy You,” two critically-acclaimed shows written by Phoebe Waller-Bridge and Michaela Coel, respectively.

Showrunners say the range of episodic series that are produced these days make it impossible to have a one-size-fits-all prescription.

“Each project is very different. Experienced showrunners know their needs on each project,” the showrunner said. “I want to be in charge of my own show. I don’t want to have my union telling me how to run my show.”
On the picket lines, support for the idea is easy to find. Many writers carry signs saying “Room size matters.”

Carrie Rosen, a mid-level TV writer, told Variety outside Disney in May that the issue is her top concern. “I am among the writers that have been having a hard time sustaining a lifestyle,” she said. “Having a required number of people on staff seems great… There are so many showrunners I know that would have loved to have more people on their shows, but just didn’t have the money for it.”

Writer employment surged during the streaming era, according to WGA data, rising 76% from 2008 to 2019. But the industry is now facing a contraction, as streamers and studios have moved to rein in their content spending.

Some of the showrunners who oppose the idea said they believe the support for it comes from writers who fear being left behind.

“When all is said and done, the estimates are that the number of working TV writers is probably going to shrink by 30-40%,” said the writer who warned about “make-work” jobs. “People are scared. People who staffed once in 2020 or 2019 and not since are really scared that they’re not going to work again. They’re right to be scared, because it’s a game of musical chairs and people are taking the chairs away. This is being promoted as solution to that. I don’t think it’s viable.”

Several writers have said that they had been warned to keep any opposition to the proposal “in house,” so as not to undermine the WGA in negotiations. But they said their concerns had been ignored when they tried to engage with guild leadership.

Several said they are far more interested in getting a much-improved residual on streaming platforms.

“The only issue that should be going on in a strike is money, money, money,” said the first showrunner, who argued that withdrawing the staff size proposal would help create momentum to get a deal.

A seventh writer said he hoped the leadership got the message that the strike should not be prolonged over a staffing minimum.

“This is not the reason we should remain on strike,” he said. “I hope they’re willing to drop it to get things that actually matter.”

Craig Mazin, who wrote “Chernobyl” by himself and wrote “The Last of Us” with Neil Druckmann, was somewhat cagey when asked about the staff-size proposal by Variety in July.

“I may not agree on everything that the union is looking for,” he said. “But then again, if you agree on everything that your leaders put forward, you’re probably just a robot.”

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This quote got me also.

With the notable exception of “Yellowstone” creator Taylor Sheridan, no one has been willing to publicly oppose the idea of a mandatory minimum staff. The WGA has stressed the importance of solidarity during the strike, and some fear being branded a traitor to the cause.

And that's why Sheridan has successful TV shows, regardless of what you think of him.
 
“I don’t need that many writers,” said one showrunner who was working on such a show until the strike began. “I don’t want some people coming in who have been mandated… If I’m forced to hire two or three more people, they will be seen as a burden by other people in the room.”
Lol, enjoy the socialism/Communism utopia y'all constantly bitch about.

Enjoy the make work no-talent retards that you'll be wrangling. Imagine if they're POC or alphabet people..... You want be able to tell them No or they'll cancel you for bigotry

This is fucking amazing.

Oh well, enjoy another few months of unemployment.

Also, people that solo write/run a show or have a 2-3 person team are.... Actually talented, unlike a 12 person gaggle of film studies failures who only got a job because they sucked the right dick or have the right last name/industry connection.
 
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